COVID-19 and Football Attendance

[S-Clarke]

14 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

I’m not sure if they realise just how thin people’s patience is wearing but I think the government are in for a bit of a surprise by just how much anger there will be if social distancing isn’t in the bin after June 21st. 
 

These pathetic “test” events make it pretty obvious to me that it won’t be happening too. 

The 'European' third wave is primed to hit just as we start to bin everything in June. 

I can see where it's going.

[Whitey Grandad]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The 'European' third wave is primed to hit just as we start to bin everything in June. 

I can see where it's going.

Why should a European third wave bother us? Those who might be at danger should be protected and those who aren’t protected shouldn’t be at danger.

Presumably these test spectators will have been well tested beforehand and will not have the disease and will be tested again afterwards. Where the hell are they going to catch anything?

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Why should a European third wave bother us? Those who might be at danger should be protected and those who aren’t protected shouldn’t be at danger.

Presumably these test spectators will have been well tested beforehand and will not have the disease and will be tested again afterwards. Where the hell are they going to catch anything?

It shouldn't bother us at all, but it just feels inventible that Witty and Vallance will be stood on a podium at some point in the next 6 weeks, showing graphs and charts and talking about 'grave' figures again.

They're creating a world full of people scared to even venture out of their homes. Let's just get back to normal now, it's getting beyond ridiculous for so many people.

Edited 1 April, 2021 by S-Clarke

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

It shouldn't bother us at all, but it just feels inventible that Witty and Vallance will be stood on a podium at some point in the next 6 weeks, showing graphs and charts and talking about 'grave' figures again.

They're creating a world full of people scared to even venture out of their homes. Let's just get back to normal now, it's getting beyond ridiculous for so many people.

This. 3 week lag they say so the 3rd wave should hit just in time for pub Gardens to reopen, of course with over 30 million vaccinated including most of the vulnerable it shouldn’t make any odds to us, but as you say it’s inevitable that the graphs Will come out again. 

[Whitey Grandad]

5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

It shouldn't bother us at all, but it just feels inventible that Witty and Vallance will be stood on a podium at some point in the next 6 weeks, showing graphs and charts and talking about 'grave' figures again.

They're creating a world full of people scared to even venture out of their homes. Let's just get back to normal now, it's getting beyond ridiculous for so many people.

Indeed so. They’ve got the spotlight on them and they’ve got their claws into us. They aren’t going to relinquish their powers easily.

[Lighthouse]

55 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

They're creating a world full of people scared to even venture out of their homes

No, the virus (before anyone had been vaccinated) created a world where if we didn’t lock down, people would lying dead on the pavements outside hospitals, unable to get inside. Even if they did there would scarcely be enough doctors and nurses to brush past one in a corridor, let alone receive any medical treatment.

 

If you think this has all been scare mongering, here’s a photo from Brazil where their nutcase of a leader has tried to crack on as normal. Looks more like something you’d find outside Ypres, not a hot country where the virus supposedly can’t survive anyway.

 

[stevy777_x]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

No, the virus (before anyone had been vaccinated) created a world where if we didn’t lock down, people would lying dead on the pavements outside hospitals, unable to get inside. Even if they did there would scarcely be enough doctors and nurses to brush past one in a corridor, let alone receive any medical treatment.

 

If you think this has all been scare mongering, here’s a photo from Brazil where their nutcase of a leader has tried to crack on as normal. Looks more like something you’d find outside Ypres, not a hot country where the virus supposedly can’t survive anyway.

 

This, I hate people who downplay the virus.

It smacks of ignorance and there are countries where they haven t done anything and hospitals have to choose who they treat as they can t take care of everyone.

If that happened in UK or in Europe you d have people critizing the gouvernent for not acting. Either way they can t win. I prefer to stay in lockdown, its a sacrifice i m prepared to make for less healthy people who are in more danger than myself.

 

[Shance]

On 24/03/2021 at 21:42, SKD said:

Haha fair play, you’ve done me there, kind of. 

Im not talking on pitch, I’m talking sustainability of business plan and owner. 

Getting back on to thread subject, Long story short, thanks for proving my point in that swapping a cup for relegation would not result in going bust 👍🏻

 

 

I can actually see some of your points and what you're trying to say tbh. That said, I think you've used the wrong club to put us against. The skates are hemorrhaging money every season and are financially struggling. Whilst I don't think our position atm is great, theirs is much worse imo.

Edited 2 April, 2021 by Shance

[Shroppie]

On 29/03/2021 at 15:47, revolution saint said:

Suspect they'll try and do some sort of thank you gesture for NHS frontline workers in the area.

I see the Saints semi-final will have spectators, but not fans of either team. Local NHS and other key workers will be offered tickets. At £80 each! So much for a generous gesture. And you'll need a vaccination certificate to get in. There will be fool-proof ID checking.

[beatlesaint]

9 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

They're creating a world full of people scared to even venture out of their homes. Let's just get back to normal now, it's getting beyond ridiculous for so many people.

For a poster who 99/100 talks sense this is disappointing and a little ignorant. If you seriously think countries are locking down for a third time and are therefore having their economies fucked over for nothing maybe you need to do a little more research.

[egg]

9 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

It shouldn't bother us at all, but it just feels inventible that Witty and Vallance will be stood on a podium at some point in the next 6 weeks, showing graphs and charts and talking about 'grave' figures again.

They're creating a world full of people scared to even venture out of their homes. Let's just get back to normal now, it's getting beyond ridiculous for so many people.

You're better than ignorant nonsense like that. 

Edited 2 April, 2021 by egg

[JRM]

10 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

It shouldn't bother us at all, but it just feels inventible that Witty and Vallance will be stood on a podium at some point in the next 6 weeks, showing graphs and charts and talking about 'grave' figures again.

They're creating a world full of people scared to even venture out of their homes. Let's just get back to normal now, it's getting beyond ridiculous for so many people.

You're spot on, vulnerable are vaccinated, let's crack on. Those too scared welcome to stay at home and lock themselves down, leave the rest of us alone. 

[RedArmy]

8 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

No, the virus (before anyone had been vaccinated) created a world where if we didn’t lock down, people would lying dead on the pavements outside hospitals, unable to get inside. Even if they did there would scarcely be enough doctors and nurses to brush past one in a corridor, let alone receive any medical treatment.

 

If you think this has all been scare mongering, here’s a photo from Brazil where their nutcase of a leader has tried to crack on as normal. Looks more like something you’d find outside Ypres, not a hot country where the virus supposedly can’t survive anyway.

 

You’re comparing apples and oranges. 

Brazil population 211 million UK population 66 million 

Brazil health care rank 65 UK health care rank 15 

Brazil vaccinated 7% UK vaccinated 45% 

Of course it’s incredibly sad what’s happening in Brazil, but to say that’s our fate if we went back to normal is bullshit. 
 

If people are too scared to go back to normal then stay at home. 

[egg]

10 minutes ago, JRM said:

You're spot on, vulnerable are vaccinated, let's crack on. Those too scared welcome to stay at home and lock themselves down, leave the rest of us alone. 

Half the people have been half vaccinated. Very few have been fully vaccinated. We're not there yet. 

[Lighthouse]

12 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

You’re comparing apples and oranges. 

Brazil population 211 million UK population 66 million 

Brazil health care rank 65 UK health care rank 15 

Brazil vaccinated 7% UK vaccinated 45% 

Of course it’s incredibly sad what’s happening in Brazil, but to say that’s our fate if we went back to normal is bullshit. 
 

If people are too scared to go back to normal then stay at home. 

Now is different. Now we have 30 million of our eldest and most vulnerable vaccinated we should indeed, slowly and cautiously, be able to edge towards some sense of normality. Unfortunately vaccinations require a certain threshold of the population to be vaccinated to be completely effective and we aren’t quite there yet. Hence caution and not making promises, especially regarding international travel.

[RedArmy]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Half the people have been half vaccinated. Very few have been fully vaccinated. We're not there yet. 

When they’ve all been “fully vaccinated” idiots like you will fall for the “they need a third booster” line and this mess will carry on. 

The 2nd dose gives very little extra short term protection. Those that have had one dose have just about as much protection as they’re ever going to get. 

[egg]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

Now is different. Now we have 30 million of our eldest and most vulnerable vaccinated we should indeed, slowly and cautiously, be able to edge towards some sense of normality. Unfortunately vaccinations require a certain threshold of the population to be vaccinated to be completely effective and we aren’t quite there yet. Hence caution and not making promises, especially regarding international travel.

Yep. Staggering that it the simple point has one made time and time again. If all of the non vaccinated just crack on it should be obvious we'll have issues. 

[egg]

4 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

When they’ve all been “fully vaccinated” idiots like you will fall for the “they need a third booster” line and this mess will carry on. 

The 2nd dose gives very little extra short term protection. Those that have had one dose have just about as much protection as they’re ever going to get. 

Eh? The vaccines comes in two halves. Not sure where you're third nonsense comes from...seems like you're feeding your own agenda. 

Either way, Lighthouse has made the point that anyone with any sense already knows. 

[RedArmy]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

Eh? The vaccines comes in two halves. Not sure where you're third nonsense comes from...seems like you're feeding your own agenda. 

Either way, Lighthouse has made the point that anyone with any sense already knows. 

You mean the third dose that Hancock went on ITV just a few days ago and openly spoke about? 
The third dose that in his words “might be needed before people can travel abroad” but won’t be ready until the autumn at least. 
If you think that’s just going to limit travel abroad then people are kidding themselves. 
 

Or maybe it’s me feeding my own agenda 🤣

[SKD]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

Eh? The vaccines comes in two halves. Not sure where you're third nonsense comes from...seems like you're feeding your own agenda. 

Either way, Lighthouse has made the point that anyone with any sense already knows. 

To be fair, we were told lock down 1 would only be a few weeks... 

[egg]

4 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

You mean the third dose that Hancock went on ITV just a few days ago and openly spoke about? 
The third dose that in his words “might be needed before people can travel abroad” but won’t be ready until the autumn at least. 
If you think that’s just going to limit travel abroad then people are kidding themselves. 
 

Or maybe it’s me feeding my own agenda 🤣

You think it's OK to fully open up now, I don't think we're quite there yet. Let's leave it there and agree to differ. 

[Shroppie]

13 minutes ago, egg said:

Eh? The vaccines comes in two halves. Not sure where you're third nonsense comes from...seems like you're feeding your own agenda. 

Either way, Lighthouse has made the point that anyone with any sense already knows. 

The third, booster jab is expected by September to give better protection against variants. This won't be the last: it'll be an ongoing annual thing like the flu jab, constantly updated.

[SKD]

17 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep. Staggering that it the simple point has one made time and time again. If all of the non vaccinated just crack on it should be obvious we'll have issues. 

But what issues will there be? Originally told to lockdown to save the NHS, that has been achieved. 50% of the population given their jab, with pretty much all of the ‘high risk’ group included within that. 

If infection rates spike, what’s the issue assuming they’re for and healthy young people who won’t need ICU care.

International travel is fair enough however, as we don’t want to bring a new variant which could potentially be immune to the vaccine. 
 

Open up with social distancing, limit / restrict and properly contain incoming international travellers. 

[egg]

Just now, Shroppie said:

The third, booster jab is expected by September to give better protection against variants. This won't be the last: it'll be an ongoing annual thing like the flu jab, constantly updated.

A booster and ongoing boosters to deal with mutations is a given. The issue though is when we open up our society to something like normality. I suspect we'll get there before any boosters, but pre second jab for the masses is premature. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, SKD said:

But what issues will there be? Originally told to lockdown to save the NHS, that has been achieved. 50% of the population given their jab, with pretty much all of the ‘high risk’ group included within that. 

If infection rates spike, what’s the issue assuming they’re for and healthy young people who won’t need ICU care.

International travel is fair enough however, as we don’t want to bring a new variant which could potentially be immune to the vaccine. 
 

Open up with social distancing, limit / restrict and properly contain incoming international travellers. 

Social distancing isn't going to happen in reality. I'm back at work, everyone milling around, in each others offices, lunch together. It's great but that's my decision and that of my colleagues. 

To answer your question, with people half vaccinated and a circa 60% efficacy it's obvious that there'll be issues if we fully open now. Get the vulnerable second jabbed by around June and we'll be on the right track then. Now is too early in my opinion. You're welcome to your opinion. 

 

[RedArmy]

Even Whitty has finally put a number on it and is saying c25,000 deaths per year could be the level we accept as normal. 
 

Yet the hysterical mob will put pressure on the government to go back into strict lockdowns at the first sign of trouble. 

[JRM]

47 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep. Staggering that it the simple point has one made time and time again. If all of the non vaccinated just crack on it should be obvious we'll have issues. 

Lock yourself down mate, knock yourself out sipping on the info dripped to you by behavioural scientists, just leave the rest of us alone will you. 

[Lighthouse]

 

3 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Even Whitty has finally put a number on it and is saying c25,000 deaths per year could be the level we accept as normal. 
 

Yet the hysterical mob will put pressure on the government to go back into strict lockdowns at the first sign of trouble. 

That first sentence may well be true and it would level out at around 70 per day if it was the case; a slight increase on the current rate. The second sentence is complete conjecture, the current lock down came in to force to put the brakes on an outbreak which, at it's peak, was killing 1,800 per day and left hospitals and their staff unable to cope.

[JustinSFC]

12 hours ago, RedArmy said:

I’m not sure if they realise just how thin people’s patience is wearing but I think the government are in for a bit of a surprise by just how much anger there will be if social distancing isn’t in the bin after June 21st. 
 

These pathetic “test” events make it pretty obvious to me that it won’t be happening too. 

I'll tell you what, nobody is staying in.

Have you seen the traffic on the roads and motorways now?

It's back to 2019 pre covid levels and it has been for at least a month now, I genuinely think people have switched off now.

Especially the self employed, like me and my brother in law.

Everyone was told to stay home half way through fucking December then no grant was available an announcement was made about it on the 3rd march that the 4th grant wouldn't be available to claim until mid April with payments expected until the end of April.

Johnson: "brace yourselves for a third wave and cases are rising".

Wow.. No shit.

I mean seriously, what the absolute fuckery did the govt expect the result to be?

People have bills to pay, rent to pay.

The slogan should be "stay home, save lives, don't pay your bills".

They simple cannot, CANNOT extend this pass 21st June there will be literally anarchy.

I think the govt have been completely oblivious to public sentiment the whole way through the entire pandemic.

Edited 2 April, 2021 by JustinSFC

[egg]

31 minutes ago, JRM said:

Lock yourself down mate, knock yourself out sipping on the info dripped to you by behavioural scientists, just leave the rest of us alone will you. 

Ha!! I'm back working, out and about with friends and living life, but I'm not one of those selfish people that only thinks about the impact on me. 

[JustinSFC]

11 hours ago, stevy777_x said:

This, I hate people who downplay the virus.

It smacks of ignorance and there are countries where they haven t done anything and hospitals have to choose who they treat as they can t take care of everyone.

If that happened in UK or in Europe you d have people critizing the gouvernent for not acting. Either way they can t win. I prefer to stay in lockdown, its a sacrifice i m prepared to make for less healthy people who are in more danger than myself.

 

Nobody is downplaying the virus apart from nutters like Matt Le Tissier.

I'm certainly not.

But at some point, life has got to crack on.

What are we supposed to do? Sit indoors forever?
 

[S-Clarke]

I'm also not one of the selfish people who only think about me. A couple of people I knew died during this pandemic, not through COVID but because they were isolated and shut away and no one could see them. And they just had enough.

That is sadly more common than is seen. Those stats aren't put onto the graphs we see presented to us though.

It feels like I've gone and started an entire debate on this, but I haven't really! What I feel is that there needs to be a balance between peoples lives (I guess you could say freedoms) and protecting against catching it - the debate if it's serious enough or not is something totally different. I feel that the world has gone way too far the other way and sadly there are quite a lot of people whose lives have been turned upside down, not due to COVID but because of COVID. No jobs, alone, isolated, no money, mental health through the floor. As I said, those stats are invisible though.

I'm not denying that people have died and families have lost loved ones due to COVID, of course that has happened and it's been quite a year for a lot of people. But there needs to be a balance because there is another crisis behind the screen of COVID.

People who have support around them are fortunate, not everyone has that and Individuals who live alone and haven't been able to see any friends or family have had the worst year of their lives - even more so if a family member has died of it and they haven't even been able to see them. There will always be variants, there will always be mutations. There will be a mutation which will evade the vaccine, I can see them talking that up already. But we cannot continue to live in fear for what will be an evolving situation for the rest of our lives.

[Whitey Grandad]

45 minutes ago, egg said:

Ha!! I'm back working, out and about with friends and living life, but I'm not one of those selfish people that only thinks about the impact on me. 

Selfish describes those who want others to be restricted for their own personal reasons.

[egg]

26 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Selfish describes those who want others to be restricted for their own personal reasons.

You're almost correct. Selfish is thinking of ourselves, not others. Thinking if others is the polar opposite of selfish. If I wanted restrictions for my benefit, that would be selfish. Personally, I don't want or need anyone else to be protected to benefit me. Needing restrictions for the benefit of others is a different matter. 

Edited 2 April, 2021 by egg

[JustinSFC]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Ha!! I'm back working, out and about with friends and living life, but I'm not one of those selfish people that only thinks about the impact on me. 

1. How old are you?
2. Have you had the vaccine?
 

I'm somewhere between 25 - 35 and was invited for the vaccine (our practice is well ahead of others) but I declined it as my mate died of a blood clot in his head 3 days before my appointment, that I thought was due to vaccine, but turns out he never had it.

But it just freaked me out a bit.

However, that's a rather cavalier attitude you have there....

Edited 2 April, 2021 by JustinSFC

[egg]

2 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

1. How old are you?
2. Have you had the vaccine?
 

I'm somewhere between 25 - 35 and was invited for the vaccine (our practice is well ahead of others) but I declined it as my mate died of a blood clot in his head 3 days before my appointment, that I thought was due to vaccine, but turns out he never had it.

But it just freaked me out a bit.

However, that's a rather cavalier attitude you have there....

Just under 50 and I've had my first jab as have others in my immediate family. I'm meeting friends today for a walk who've all had first vaccine. That's a different ball game to opening footy stadiums to cram thousands in which is what this thread is supposed to be about. 

I hope your friend is OK. 

[JustinSFC]

7 minutes ago, egg said:

Just under 50 and I've had my first jab as have others in my immediate family. I'm meeting friends today for a walk who've all had first vaccine. That's a different ball game to opening footy stadiums to cram thousands in which is what this thread is supposed to be about. 

I hope your friend is OK. 

He's dead.

[Lighthouse]

30 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Selfish describes those who want others to be restricted for their own personal reasons.

I’ve supported all the lockdowns so far, even though I’m under 40 and have no known underlying health problems.

[BERMUDASAINT]

3 hours ago, JRM said:

Lock yourself down mate, knock yourself out sipping on the info dripped to you by behavioural scientists, just leave the rest of us alone will you. 

Selfish Simpleton. 

[BERMUDASAINT]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I'm also not one of the selfish people who only think about me. A couple of people I knew died during this pandemic, not through COVID but because they were isolated and shut away and no one could see them. And they just had enough.

That is sadly more common than is seen. Those stats aren't put onto the graphs we see presented to us though.

It feels like I've gone and started an entire debate on this, but I haven't really! What I feel is that there needs to be a balance between peoples lives (I guess you could say freedoms) and protecting against catching it - the debate if it's serious enough or not is something totally different. I feel that the world has gone way too far the other way and sadly there are quite a lot of people whose lives have been turned upside down, not due to COVID but because of COVID. No jobs, alone, isolated, no money, mental health through the floor. As I said, those stats are invisible though.

I'm not denying that people have died and families have lost loved ones due to COVID, of course that has happened and it's been quite a year for a lot of people. But there needs to be a balance because there is another crisis behind the screen of COVID.

People who have support around them are fortunate, not everyone has that and Individuals who live alone and haven't been able to see any friends or family have had the worst year of their lives - even more so if a family member has died of it and they haven't even been able to see them. There will always be variants, there will always be mutations. There will be a mutation which will evade the vaccine, I can see them talking that up already. But we cannot continue to live in fear for what will be an evolving situation for the rest of our lives.

But the crisis of not over? Covid will affect all! It will spread and kill, injure or nothing. It will stress our health care, to the point it fails. This is happening now to those that didn't take covid seriously. So right minded countries tried to delay spread until vaccine are available,  we have taken the pain  of a lost year, but the vaccine are here, they are working, keep using them and you will be back to new normal, don't let all the sacrifice we have all done be in vain because we can't hang on for a few more months.  It working, please don't take the fuckem attitude, because it really is protecting lives! Remember it can take down the young and healthy, they usually recover   but sometimes at a cost  not lose of life  but long term health conditions,  see the Vokins story, it not just about death! 

[JustinSFC]

30 minutes ago, BERMUDASAINT said:

But the crisis of not over? Covid will affect all! It will spread and kill, injure or nothing. It will stress our health care, to the point it fails. This is happening now to those that didn't take covid seriously. So right minded countries tried to delay spread until vaccine are available,  we have taken the pain  of a lost year, but the vaccine are here, they are working, keep using them and you will be back to new normal, don't let all the sacrifice we have all done be in vain because we can't hang on for a few more months.  It working, please don't take the fuckem attitude, because it really is protecting lives! Remember it can take down the young and healthy, they usually recover   but sometimes at a cost  not lose of life  but long term health conditions,  see the Vokins story, it not just about death! 

I think most people apart from covid denier nutters accept that.

However, what do you think the answer is then?

Stay locked in forever?

[BERMUDASAINT]

12 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

I think most people apart from covid denier nutters accept that.

However, what do you think the answer is then?

Stay locked in forever?

No, enough will be vaccinated to stop the spread and we can move on, ala small pox, polio, diphtheria..........ya just gotta all get vaccinations!

[Lighthouse]

17 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

However, what do you think the answer is then?

Stay locked in forever?

That’s a straw man which nobody of any sense is attempting to argue. The answer is a very precarious balancing act between public health and the capacity of the NHS, with a desire to live life normally and open everything up. The governments current plan of cautious easing seems largely sensible to me. What isn’t sensible are large anti-lockdown protests, which are the one thing most likely to lead to more lockdowns.

[JustinSFC]

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That’s a straw man which nobody of any sense is attempting to argue. The answer is a very precarious balancing act between public health and the capacity of the NHS, with a desire to live life normally and open everything up. The governments current plan of cautious easing seems largely sensible to me. What isn’t sensible are large anti-lockdown protests, which are the one thing most likely to lead to more lockdowns.

It's not straw man when you quote my entire comment and not just half of it.

[Noodles34]

4 hours ago, JustinSFC said:

I'll tell you what, nobody is staying in.

Have you seen the traffic on the roads and motorways now?

It's back to 2019 pre covid levels and it has been for at least a month now, I genuinely think people have switched off now.

Especially the self employed, like me and my brother in law.

Everyone was told to stay home half way through fucking December then no grant was available an announcement was made about it on the 3rd march that the 4th grant wouldn't be available to claim until mid April with payments expected until the end of April.

Johnson: "brace yourselves for a third wave and cases are rising".

Wow.. No shit.

I mean seriously, what the absolute fuckery did the govt expect the result to be?

People have bills to pay, rent to pay.

The slogan should be "stay home, save lives, don't pay your bills".

They simple cannot, CANNOT extend this pass 21st June there will be literally anarchy.

I think the govt have been completely oblivious to public sentiment the whole way through the entire pandemic.

Your last line is wrong. The problem is that 99% of people have conformed without an argument or fight. I mean that goes for the rest of the world too. 
its fucking weird, Ike everyone’s been brainwashed. 
The protests haven’t been big enough to have impact and I guess there’s a self perpetuating circle of people that want to protect but not enough are. I remember the poll tax riots, I am surprised we haven’t got to that stage. 
Maybe there will be a day when the people realize they are being taken for mugs 

[Lighthouse]

10 minutes ago, Noodles34 said:

The problem is that 99% of people have conformed without an argument or fight. I mean that goes for the rest of the world too. 
its fucking weird, Ike everyone’s been brainwashed. 

I reiterate;

 

[Noodles34]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

I reiterate;

 

What’s your point? This is not a comparison to this country. 
We have been barely overrun by at at all. 
Staying to on what the point of a vaccine is when you get scientists and people like you around, just wanting this to carry on. 

[washsaint]

Europe has f****d their populations over right royally.  Here in the US (with the exception of California and New York and the surrounding States) we have not really had lockdowns.  Those that locked down have the same results as those who did not (base don per capita).

Of course COVID is bad for certain demographics - for most it is an inconvenience (I was wiped out for 3 days with it but nothing other than that and my kids and work colleagues in their early 20s had some sniffles only).

Talk of vaccine passports is abhorrent and is something you would expect of China not Europe.  Slippery slope beckons......

People should be allowed to decide for themselves what level of risk they are happy to accept not be forced by a Government and 'scientific' advisors to shut themselves away for ever.  Wake up and look at the mental health issues lockdown has caused.

The sooner fans are back in the stadium the better.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I don’t know about lockdown, but not travelling around the country to watch that  shower of shite,  has been pretty good for my mental health. 

Edited 2 April, 2021 by Lord Duckhunter

[egg]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I don’t know about lockdown, but not travelling around the country to watch that  shower of shite,  has been pretty good for my mental health. 

Yep!! Saved me a few quid too.