San Marino 9-0 Saints - Post Match Reaction

[SKD]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:28, Teddeer said:

Why has everything got to be turned into a bashing of our 9-0 defeats? This is an England game so has no relevance. Get over it and stop obsessing.

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Because to be Frank it’s absolutely embarrassing that it’s happened twice and the manager is under no pressure at all. 
 

The relevance here is that, this game highlights how bad it actually is to lose 9-0.

[SKD]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:31, Lighthouse said:

Okay right, we’ll sack Ralph and replace him with Giuseppe the welder. Defence sorted.

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Not what I’m saying, but it’s shocking that Ralph could actually learn a thing or 2 from him.

[JustinSFC]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:30, whelk said:

Never thought I’d miss Clive Tyldesley but this commentator is shite. Think it is Matterface? 

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It is. Can't stand the bloke.

[Teddeer]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:31, SKD said:

Because to be Frank it’s absolutely embarrassing that it’s happened twice and the manager is under no pressure at all. 
 

The relevance here is that, this game highlights how bad it actually is to lose 9-0.

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You're making sure nobody forgets it in a hurry and it's getting tedious.

[Saint_clark]

Really fucking stupid from Foden to play that ball back to JWP.

[Turkish]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:31, Lighthouse said:

Okay right, we’ll sack Ralph and replace him with Giuseppe the welder. Defence sorted.

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You do realise that the more patronising you are about San Marinos player and manager actually proves the point.

[JustinSFC]

Be interesting to see if Prowse plays any more games.

There isn't any other set piece taker in this England squad at all.

He played very well, a lot of the play was going through him and denied a double by a world class save from their keeper.

 

[Lighthouse]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:33, Turkish said:

You do realise that the more patronising you are about San Marinos player and manager actually proves the point.

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I really don’t know what the point is supposed to be. San Marino have managed to keep England down to just a 5-0 defeat by stuffing everyone behind the ball and not leaving their own half. On other occasions they have conceded double figures playing the same way and would do so on multiple occasions playing in the Premier League. There is absolutely nothing to suggest they’re in any way better set up defensively than we are.

[vin]

If England were as clinical as Leicester or Man Utd were against us it would have been 9-0. Or 10-0. Or 11-0...

[TWar]

Am I actually reading that San Marino are better set up defensively than saints?! We have 9 clean sheets this season and San Marino have kept five clean sheets in their 30 year history. The only three clean sheets they have in the last seventeen years were against Gibraltar, Estonia and Lichtenstein.

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[nta786]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:38, JustinSFC said:

Be interesting to see if Prowse plays any more games.

There isn't any other set piece taker in this England squad at all.

He played very well, a lot of the play was going through him and denied a double by a world class save from their keeper.

 

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I think Southgate will think otherwise- Mount/Trippier can take set pieces too

[Turkish]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:38, Lighthouse said:

I really don’t know what the point is supposed to be. San Marino have managed to keep England down to just a 5-0 defeat by stuffing everyone behind the ball and not leaving their own half. On other occasions they have conceded double figures playing the same way and would do so on multiple occasions playing in the Premier League. There is absolutely nothing to suggest they’re in any way better set up defensively than we are.

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To put it how you described it Giuesspie the welder can get Luigi the car salesman and Alessandro the postman to not concede 9 against premier league strikers but a millionaire manager couldn’t get his millionaire international players Not too, twice. 

[Teddeer]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:42, TWar said:

Am I actually reading that San Marino are better set up defensively than saints?! We have 9 clean sheets this season and San Marino have kept five clean sheets in their 30 year history. The only two clean sheets they have in the last five years were against Gibraltar and Lichtenstein.

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It's the usual suspects who continually make everything about our two 9-0 losses.

[SKD]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:38, Lighthouse said:

I really don’t know what the point is supposed to be. San Marino have managed to keep England down to just a 5-0 defeat by stuffing everyone behind the ball and not leaving their own half. On other occasions they have conceded double figures playing the same way and would do so on multiple occasions playing in the Premier League. There is absolutely nothing to suggest they’re in any way better set up defensively than we are.

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Which is exactly what we should have done at 5/6/7-0. But we didn’t. We lost 9-0, they didn’t. 
 

That, to me, would suggest that they are set up better defensively than we are. 
 

clearly (amazing we’re having to explain this), a part time plumber, isn’t as good at defending as a premier league footballer. So it’s absolutely pointless comparing how they’d as a team do in the premier league. 
 

What we’re trying to get at is, They made themselves as hard as possible to break down, we don’t seem to have the ability to do that. 

[tajjuk]

Honestly trying to compare the two is just completely stupid and says a lot about the people doing it. 

[TWar]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:42, Turkish said:

To put it how you described it Giuesspie the welder can get Luigi the car salesman and Alessandro the postman to not concede 9 against premier league strikers but a millionaire manager couldn’t get his millionaire international players Not too, twice. 

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They got done 9-0 by Russia about a year and a half ago, and have been done 9-0 by Belgium since. They are absolutely a team that does concede 9. Just because they didn't today doesn't mean they are better than us.

[Teddeer]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:44, tajjuk said:

Honestly trying to compare the two is just completely stupid and says a lot about the people doing it. 

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Agree.

[JustinSFC]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:42, nta786 said:

I think Southgate will think otherwise- Mount/Trippier can take set pieces too

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Yeah I don't think he makes the final cut for the tournament unless there's injuries. Unfortunately.

[Lighthouse]

Thirded. It’s a flipping weird argument, I’m out.

[Turkish]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:41, vin said:

If England were as clinical as Leicester or Man Utd were against us it would have been 9-0. Or 10-0. Or 11-0...

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Man united had 24 shots at goal, they still missed more than twice what  they scored

[TWar]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:44, tajjuk said:

Honestly trying to compare the two is just completely stupid and says a lot about the people doing it. 

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They'll say anything to slag off saints. Expect the "but we lost 9-0" thing to be repeated for years regardless of how well we are doing.

[SKD]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:45, TWar said:

They got done 9-0 by Russia about a year and a half ago, and have been done 9-0 by Belgium since. They are absolutely a team that does concede 9. Just because they didn't today doesn't mean they are better than us.

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The difference is they’re expected to concede 12 when they’re playing players who are miles ahead of them in terms of ability. 
 

2 teams of relative equal ability, should be sticking 9 past you. 

[TWar]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:48, SKD said:

The difference is they’re expected to concede 12 when they’re playing players who are miles ahead of them in terms of ability. 
 

2 teams of relative equal ability, should be sticking 9 past you. 

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Yeah, they are shit, no where near the quality of a league one side let alone a premier league side. You saying they are better than saints at literally anything is about as mental as you saying pompey have better long term prospects than saints. The ramblings of an absolute madman.

[Teddeer]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:48, SKD said:

The difference is they’re expected to concede 12 when they’re playing players who are miles ahead of them in terms of ability. 
 

2 teams of relative equal ability, should be sticking 9 past you. 

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You've made your point. We get it. 

[SKD]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:47, TWar said:

They'll say anything to slag off saints. Expect the "but we lost 9-0" thing to be repeated for years regardless of how well we are doing.

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Why do the commentators mention it every game? Perhaps because it’s absolutely fucking appalling that it happened once.. let alone twice 😂😂

[Turkish]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:45, TWar said:

They got done 9-0 by Russia about a year and a half ago, and have been done 9-0 by Belgium since. They are absolutely a team that does concede 9. Just because they didn't today doesn't mean they are better than us.

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So they should do, they’re a team of post men playing t a team of millionaire international footballers. Not a team of millionaire internationals playing another team of millionaire internationals 

[Turkish]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:49, TWar said:

Yeah, they are shit, no where near the quality of a league one side let alone a premier league side. You saying they are better than saints at literally anything is about as mental as you saying pompey have better long term prospects than saints. The ramblings of an absolute madman.

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What a surprise, you’ve missed the point again. 

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[SKD]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:49, TWar said:

Yeah, they are shit, no where near the quality of a league one side let alone a premier league side. You saying they are better than saints at literally anything is about as mental as you saying pompey have better long term prospects than saints. The ramblings of an absolute madman.

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League one!? National league at very best. 
 

I’ve not said they’re better, that’s clear. But they are better coached and set up better defensively than we do. 
 

That’s not stupid, it’s a fact. 
 

[Yozzman]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:33, SKD said:

Not what I’m saying, but it’s shocking that Ralph could actually learn a thing or 2 from him.

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Give it a rest, you have made your point numerous times.

[TWar]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:50, SKD said:

Why do the commentators mention it every game? Perhaps because it’s absolutely fucking appalling that it happened once.. let alone twice 😂😂

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The commentators mention it all the time for the same reason they say "James Ward-Prowse range" and "Liverpool bought a lot of saints players" a lot. They are lazy and don't have much material on us. You are supposedly one of our fans, why are you whining about it constantly in unrelated threads?

[Jimmy_D]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:51, SKD said:

League one!? National league at very best. 
 

I’ve not said they’re better, that’s clear. But they are better coached and set up better defensively than we do. 
 

That’s not stupid, it’s a fact. 
 

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So you'd swap their manager for ours then?

[SKD]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:51, Turkish said:

What a surprise, you’ve missed the point again. 

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For someone who gets hard over XG, I find it amazing he cannot grasp a simple tactical set up 😂

[Turkish]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:41, vin said:

If England were as clinical as Leicester or Man Utd were against us it would have been 9-0. Or 10-0. Or 11-0...

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Man united had 24 shots at goal, they still missed more than twice what  they scored

[SKD]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:52, Jimmy_D said:

So you'd swap their manager for ours then?

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Clearly not. But could Ralph learn a thing or 2 on how to shut up shop from a part time postman or whatever he is? Yes. How embarrassing is that. 

[Turkish]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:52, TWar said:

The commentators mention it all the time for the same reason they say "James Ward-Prowse range" and "Liverpool bought a lot of saints players" a lot. They are lazy and don't have much material on us. You are supposedly one of our fans, why are you whining about it constantly in unrelated threads?

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They mention it all the time because before we managed in twice in 18 months it had only happened once in 29 years 😂

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[TWar]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:52, SKD said:

For someone who gets hard over XG, I find it amazing he cannot grasp a simple tactical set up 😂

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What does that even mean? We lost two freak games in two seasons, that means we are worse set up defensively than a team that concedes on average about 5 goals a game. Alright then.

[SKD]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:52, TWar said:

The commentators mention it all the time for the same reason they say "James Ward-Prowse range" and "Liverpool bought a lot of saints players" a lot. They are lazy and don't have much material on us. You are supposedly one of our fans, why are you whining about it constantly in unrelated threads?

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It’s a valid criticism of the manager. or because it doesn’t fit the narrative, it’s not allowed? 

[vin]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:53, Turkish said:

Man united had 24 shots at goal, they still missed more than twice what  they scored

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So Man Utd were more clinical then...

[Turkish]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:56, vin said:

So Man Utd were more clinical then...

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You made out they scored with every shot, they missed more than they scored.

[Jimmy_D]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:54, SKD said:

Clearly not. But could Ralph learn a thing or 2 on how to shut up shop from a part time postman or whatever he is? Yes. How embarrassing is that. 

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Everyone could have put ten men behind the ball in their games against Leicester and they'd never have won the league. Would have completely destroyed their tactics. But they didn't.

We had our way of playing, it's got us to the top of the league this season and seen us beat some of the best teams in the world in the last few seasons.

The only thing embarrassing here is a supposed Saints fan concentrating in virtually every post on only our worst moments. Constantly.

[SKD]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:55, TWar said:

What does that even mean? We lost two freak games in two seasons, that means we are worse set up defensively than a team that concedes on average about 5 goals a game. Alright then.

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My god, are you really that dense. Clearly we are not worse than San Marino in any way shape or form. However, their manager, sets them up to not concede a hatful better than ours does. 
 

They conceded a hatful, because they’re fucking useless players. If they set up the way we do, they’d lose 20-30-0 I’d guess. 
 

im not suggesting we should stick 10 men behind the ball from the get go, but at 6/7-0 down, that’s exactly what we should do, but Ralph is too stubborn to do that. 

[TWar]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:55, SKD said:

It’s a valid criticism of the manager. or because it doesn’t fit the narrative, it’s not allowed? 

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It is perfectly allowed, our manager had two really bad games in the last couple of seasons. It would be nice if it wasn't all they talked about but they have to cover a lot of teams, you can't expect that diverse a set of talking points. You on the otherhand are a fan and presumably watched the other 80 odd games we played in that timeframe and have more to say than just "wow, do you remember those times we lost 9-0" ad nausium. You don't for the same reason you bum pompey and think we are worse set up than san marino: you are either a troll, a skate, or an idiot. My money is on both 1 and 3 but I won't rule out 2.

[Tamesaint]

I would just like to point out that San Marino have a better off field set up than us. They may not have the likes of Eisner bankrolling them but they must be doing something right. Every 4 years they get into the World Cup qualifiers.   😄

[Teddeer]

As a Saints fan why would you take delight in continually banging on about the two 9-0 defeats? It's like a scab they have to pick at. Strange.

[SKD]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:57, Jimmy_D said:

Everyone could have put ten men behind the ball in their games against Leicester and they'd never have won the league. Would have completely destroyed their tactics. But they didn't.

We had our way of playing, it's got us to the top of the league this season and seen us beat some of the best teams in the world in the last few seasons.

The only thing embarrassing here is a supposed Saints fan concentrating in virtually every post on only our worst moments. Constantly.

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Got us to the top of the league for 1 day and then a relegation battle and a record equalling defeat in the same season 😄

 

Most points thrown away from winning position as well, isn’t it? 

[Turkish]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:57, Jimmy_D said:

Everyone could have put ten men behind the ball in their games against Leicester and they'd never have won the league. Would have completely destroyed their tactics. But they didn't.

We had our way of playing, it's got us to the top of the league this season and seen us beat some of the best teams in the world in the last few seasons.

The only thing embarrassing here is a supposed Saints fan concentrating in virtually every post on only our worst moments. Constantly.

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It’s also seen us get completely embarrassed. We could easily have got another hammering at Man city, at one point they looked like scoring every time they went forward. Spurs at home we let in five, first half they had 3 ruled out for marginal offsides but we kept defending the same way making the same mistakes, we conceded 19 goals in those 3 games, we were lucky it wasn’t a lot more.

[SKD]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:59, Teddeer said:

As a Saints fan why would you take delight in continually banging on about the two 9-0 defeats? It's like a scab they have to pick at. Strange.

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Because as a saints fan I want better. I’m not convinced that it won’t happen again, to be honest. 

[TWar]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:51, SKD said:

I’ve not said they’re better, that’s clear. But they are better coached and set up better defensively than we do. 
 

That’s not stupid, it’s a fact. 
 

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  On 25/03/2021 at 21:59, SKD said:

Clearly we are not worse than San Marino in any way shape or form.

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Make your mind up mate.

[vin]

  On 25/03/2021 at 21:57, Turkish said:

You made out they scored with every shot, they missed more than they scored.

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Nope, you read that in to my post. I said if England were as clinical as Man Utd they would have scored more. The  stats you quote back that up not disprove it.

[Teddeer]

  On 25/03/2021 at 22:01, SKD said:

Because as a saints fan I want better. I’m not convinced that it won’t happen again, to be honest. 

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Oh, it all makes sense now.  In that case feel free to keep banging on about it, fill your boots.