Coronavirus

[whelk]

Not a lot to talk about.

 

Who’s in charge without Boris?

[Picard]

I've been surprised how comparatively little lockdown activity there has been on Saintsweb. Would have thought with so many people bored at home posting would have risen but reverse seems the case if anything.

 

Most people do their Saintsweb posting at work. When they are home there is a load of stuff to do.

[ecuk268]

So when we get through this and life returns to some semblance of normality, will there be an acceptance that many of the lowest paid people are in fact the most valuable to society and we would be in the sh#t without them.

 

Supermarket staff, NHS cleaners, delivery drivers, bin men, care home workers have all shown how vital they are whereas I don't think that we've suffered due to a shortage of people in marketing, public relations, management consultants and other jobs that I fail to see the point of.

 

Will we see these valuable low-paid people be rewarded for their vital contribution to keeping the country going?

 

Are those pigs that I see flying over my house?

[Mystic Force]

What is interesting around the people I know is that the kinds of people who would be ok being stuck at home are the people with the essential jobs still going out to work and the people who find having a quiet sit down at home intolerable are the ones locked up inside. I think there are some interesting dynamics about what temperament attracts people to certain occupations.

[Weston Super Saint]

Mate, I'm not willing to waste my time debating with you. You're clearly an idiot.

 

I'll take that as you can't find any and therefore tacit agreement

[Weston Super Saint]

So when we get through this and life returns to some semblance of normality, will there be an acceptance that many of the lowest paid people are in fact the most valuable to society and we would be in the sh#t without them.

 

Supermarket staff, NHS cleaners, delivery drivers, bin men, care home workers have all shown how vital they are whereas I don't think that we've suffered due to a shortage of people in marketing, public relations, management consultants and other jobs that I fail to see the point of.

 

Will we see these valuable low-paid people be rewarded for their vital contribution to keeping the country going?

 

Are those pigs that I see flying over my house?

 

Sadly not as these are also the 'unnoticed' workers who go about their work day in and day out largely forgotten about - until something goes wrong and the bins don't get emptied or the supermarket shelves are not full and then all hell breaks loose!

[aintforever]

So when we get through this and life returns to some semblance of normality, will there be an acceptance that many of the lowest paid people are in fact the most valuable to society and we would be in the sh#t without them.

 

Supermarket staff, NHS cleaners, delivery drivers, bin men, care home workers have all shown how vital they are whereas I don't think that we've suffered due to a shortage of people in marketing, public relations, management consultants and other jobs that I fail to see the point of.

 

Will we see these valuable low-paid people be rewarded for their vital contribution to keeping the country going?

 

Are those pigs that I see flying over my house?

 

It will be interesting to see how many of those who stand outside their house clapping will be willing to pay a bit more tax to actually help the NHS and those essential low paid workers.

 

Chances are they will still scream "Venezaula" again at the thought of not being able to get the latest Range Rover Evoque.

[Weston Super Saint]

 

Chances are they will still scream "Venezaula" again at the thought of not being able to get the latest Range Rover Evoque.

 

I hope not

[Lighthouse]

Still got mine from the 2010 World Cup

[egg]

I'll take that as you can't find any and therefore tacit agreement

 

Take it as I put it mate.

[the saint in winchester]

Still got mine from the 2010 World Cup

 

LOL, I got it. Not sure others saw the reference.

[the saint in winchester]

It will be interesting to see how many of those who stand outside their house clapping will be willing to pay a bit more tax to actually help the NHS and those essential low paid workers.

 

 

Yes, that is what it's going to take. Huge government spend on benefits now will need to be funded over time. And then additional spend for the services you mention....it's going to require a tax rise.

[the saint in winchester]

So when we get through this and life returns to some semblance of normality, will there be an acceptance that many of the lowest paid people are in fact the most valuable to society and we would be in the sh#t without them.

 

Supermarket staff, NHS cleaners, delivery drivers, bin men, care home workers have all shown how vital they are whereas I don't think that we've suffered due to a shortage of people in marketing, public relations, management consultants and other jobs that I fail to see the point of.

 

Will we see these valuable low-paid people be rewarded for their vital contribution to keeping the country going?

 

I hope so, ecuk, and I work in one of 'pointless' sectors above. I see my daughter going into work in NHS GP for under £9 an hour, and I sit at a laptop for £35 an hour. It's not right.

[Mystic Force]

Most people do their Saintsweb posting at work. When they are home there is a load of stuff to do.

 

I have noticed how quiet many different forums have been over the last few weeks, I am guessing all those non essential workers had to fill up their non essential time with something. Now they are home they have probably found something interesting to do.

[Weston Super Saint]

Take it as I put it mate.

 

It's your opportunity to educate the 'thick idiot', grab it with both hands

[Weston Super Saint]

LOL, I got it. Not sure others saw the reference.

 

Took a few seconds, but I got there

[Doctoroncall]

If anyone is interested in a bit of antibody news... https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/astrazeneca-targets-summer-start-for-covid-19-antibody-trial

[Lord Duckhunter]

It will be interesting to see how many of those who stand outside their house clapping will be willing to pay a bit more tax to actually help the NHS and those essential low paid workers.

 

Chances are they will still scream "Venezaula" again .

 

It will be interesting to see many of those shouting “look at Germany” will be willing to move The NHS nearer to their model and away from our 1940’s throwback.

 

Chances are they will still scream USA again.

[Batman]

It will be interesting to see many of those shouting “look at Germany” will be willing to move The NHS nearer to their model and away from our 1940’s throwback.

 

Chances are they will still scream USA again.

There was a piece online explaining Germany's two tier system.

 

Their publicaly funded system decide (yearly I think) what they can and cant/won't cover for the next period. If what you need is not covered and you only pay into public health care, then tough, go private or jog on

 

Imagine that here. My god. Any PM that Introduces that would get lynched.

 

I think it is the right way to go. The current model we have is simply not fit for purpose, unless we shut down other govt departments to fund it. Even then, the money will run out soon enough.

[LGTL]

Still wondering why our borders remain open for all and sundry. Anyone can still fly in from New York, Spain, Italy. All without any screening, quarantine or test. Too far gone to make any difference?

[Lighthouse]

Boris out of ICU.

[Weston Super Saint]

Still wondering why our borders remain open for all and sundry. Anyone can still fly in from New York, Spain, Italy. All without any screening, quarantine or test. Too far gone to make any difference?

 

Don't you need a plane to fly?

[suewhistle]

Yes, that is what it's going to take. Huge government spend on benefits now will need to be funded over time. And then additional spend for the services you mention....it's going to require a tax rise.

 

Fair enough. My pension is not massive, but I was able to pay my council tax for the year in a lump sump this month; I thought the local council might appreciate the cash flow in the current circumstances.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Just heard my Father in law has tested positive. Mrs is working tonight & doctors have just told her. No way he’ll be able to fight it off, very sad a lonely end for the guy. He was admitted to hospital with something else & they’re hoping he caught it there rather than the care home he lives in.

 

 

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[Whitey Grandad]

Just heard my Father in law has tested positive. Mrs is working tonight & doctors have just told her. No way he’ll be able to fight it off, very sad a lonely end for the guy. He was admitted to hospital with something else & they’re hoping he caught it there rather than the care home he lives in.

 

 

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So sorry to hear that LD.

[Tamesaint]

Just heard my Father in law has tested positive. Mrs is working tonight & doctors have just told her. No way he’ll be able to fight it off, very sad a lonely end for the guy. He was admitted to hospital with something else & they’re hoping he caught it there rather than the care home he lives in.

 

 

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That isnt good news. Sorry to hear that.

[Fan The Flames]

It will be interesting to see many of those shouting “look at Germany” will be willing to move The NHS nearer to their model and away from our 1940’s throwback.

 

Chances are they will still scream USA again.

 

It wasn't the NHS that wasn't prepared for the pandemic it was the government, they were told in 2016 to prepare but decided not to because of austerity. I think its clear why South Korea has managed this better then anyone else, they were prepared and had a plan, it will be interesting to understand the reason why Germany have fared better than us.

 

Sorry about your father in law.

[shurlock]

Just heard my Father in law has tested positive. Mrs is working tonight & doctors have just told her. No way he’ll be able to fight it off, very sad a lonely end for the guy. He was admitted to hospital with something else & they’re hoping he caught it there rather than the care home he lives in.

 

 

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Really sorry to hear LD. Sympathies go out to your wife too who’s already sacrificing plenty for the rest of us.

Edited 10 April, 2020 by shurlock

[Lord Duckhunter]

Really sorry to hear LD. Sympathies go out to your wife too who’s already sacrificing plenty for the rest of us.

 

Thank you, & to everyone else who has sent sympathy.

 

She went in to say goodbye to him early this morning, as they’re pretty convinced this is it. She was all PPE’d up and held his hand for 10 mins. He’s vey confused but squeezed her hand occasionally which gave her comfort that he knew she was there. The guy is 93 & had a decent innings, but this is a horrible way to go.

 

She’s in bits at the moment, but is adamant she’s going to work tonight.

 

 

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[whelk]

Thank you, & to everyone else who has sent sympathy.

 

She went in to say goodbye to him early this morning, as they’re pretty convinced this is it. She was all PPE’d up and held his hand for 10 mins. He’s vey confused but squeezed her hand occasionally which gave her comfort that he knew she was there. The guy is 93 & had a decent innings, but this is a horrible way to go.

 

She’s in bits at the moment, but is adamant she’s going to work tonight.

 

 

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That is so very sad. There was a recovered 104 yo on the news so don’t give up hope.

 

Ambulance came for elderly neighbour of ours today. It’s is the isolation and loneliness of it all that makes it so hard to bear for so many.

 

Although the brilliant people in the NHS makes sure they are loved. Your snapdragon being one for sure.

Edited 10 April, 2020 by whelk

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Thank you, & to everyone else who has sent sympathy.

 

She went in to say goodbye to him early this morning, as they’re pretty convinced this is it. She was all PPE’d up and held his hand for 10 mins. He’s vey confused but squeezed her hand occasionally which gave her comfort that he knew she was there. The guy is 93 & had a decent innings, but this is a horrible way to go.

 

She’s in bits at the moment, but is adamant she’s going to work tonight.

 

 

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I hope he surprises you Lord D. Your poor wife.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I hope he surprises you Lord D. Your poor wife.

 

The guys done it before, in Jan they told my Mrs to prepare for the worst and a few days later he was back in the care home. This times different, he seems to have given up. Stoped eating and drinking a few days ago and they’re feeding him via tube. He was on his way anyway and was already admitted for something else before developing symptoms. He’s lost his wife of 67 years & the Mrs sister the past 3 years and the last month he’s been talking about “joining them”. As horrible as it sounds we’re all hoping it’s quick now.

 

Unfortunately, there’s going to be people a lot younger than 93 passing away, and a lot of families going through what we are. For all our differences on here, I just hope everyone & their loved ones come out the other side.

 

 

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[egg]

Thank you, & to everyone else who has sent sympathy.

 

She went in to say goodbye to him early this morning, as they’re pretty convinced this is it. She was all PPE’d up and held his hand for 10 mins. He’s vey confused but squeezed her hand occasionally which gave her comfort that he knew she was there. The guy is 93 & had a decent innings, but this is a horrible way to go.

 

She’s in bits at the moment, but is adamant she’s going to work tonight.

 

 

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So sorry to hear this, my thoughts are with you and your good lady. Her willingness to carry on working for the benefit of others is amazing.

[The Cat]

Sobering posts above from those whose relatives are ill. Fingers crossed they pull through. Best wishes to everyone.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

The guys done it before, in Jan they told my Mrs to prepare for the worst and a few days later he was back in the care home. This times different, he seems to have given up. Stoped eating and drinking a few days ago and they’re feeding him via tube. He was on his way anyway and was already admitted for something else before developing symptoms. He’s lost his wife of 67 years & the Mrs sister the past 3 years and the last month he’s been talking about “joining them”. As horrible as it sounds we’re all hoping it’s quick now.

 

Unfortunately, there’s going to be people a lot younger than 93 passing away, and a lot of families going through what we are. For all our differences on here, I just hope everyone & their loved ones come out the other side.

 

 

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A somber assessment. Sometimes people can just make up their minds. Thank Mrs D for her efforts on the front line.

[Mystic Force]

It wasn't the NHS that wasn't prepared for the pandemic it was the government, they were told in 2016 to prepare but decided not to because of austerity. I think its clear why South Korea has managed this better then anyone else, they were prepared and had a plan, it will be interesting to understand the reason why Germany have fared better than us.

 

Sorry about your father in law.

 

I think the simple explantion is on the whole Germans like following rules, so when told to do something they generally do, unlike other cultures that value individuality more and those countries (Cough, Cough USA) have had a larger outbreak.

[whelk]

I think the simple explantion is on the whole Germans like following rules, so when told to do something they generally do, unlike other cultures that value individuality more and those countries (Cough, Cough USA) have had a larger outbreak.

 

Terrible humour though

[shurlock]

I think the simple explantion is on the whole Germans like following rules, so when told to do something they generally do, unlike other cultures that value individuality more and those countries (Cough, Cough USA) have had a larger outbreak.

 

It also helps that the leader of one country is an actual scientist who laps up detail and planning; and the other is a reality TV star who was bankrolled by his daddy (and even then managed to go bankrupt several times).

Edited 10 April, 2020 by shurlock

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Just heard my Father in law has tested positive. Mrs is working tonight & doctors have just told her. No way he’ll be able to fight it off, very sad a lonely end for the guy. He was admitted to hospital with something else & they’re hoping he caught it there rather than the care home he lives in.

 

 

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My thoughts to you and your family and affected people you all know. Will raise a glass to you all and others that are suffering right now.

[CB Fry]

I think the simple explantion is on the whole Germans like following rules, so when told to do something they generally do, unlike other cultures that value individuality more and those countries (Cough, Cough USA) have had a larger outbreak.

The Germans are only following orders.

[Plastic]

Very sorry to hear your issues LD. Hope he recovers.

[Sevvy]

Hope he recovers LD,Sevvy

[Weston Super Saint]

You can tell you’re a Tory, classic ‘I’m alright Jack attitude’. Not a moments thought for the poor sod with underlying health conditions you might spread it onto.

 

Out on the bike today and saw a guy on an 'invalid scooter' with a face mask connected to an oxygen bottle. He was out for a 'roll' along sand bay seafront with lots of families walking around with their dogs. Looks like some people don't want to be 'helped'.

 

The amount of cars out and about today it looks like lock down has been lifted....

[Plastic]

Matt Hancock now blaming the PPE shortage on the doctors and nurses who use it. Can I call this guy a cuñt yet?

https://apple.news/A70R6mqzCQlC_9j8NN_46IQ

[hypochondriac]

Matt Hancock now blaming the PPE shortage on the doctors and nurses who use it. Can I call this guy a cuñt yet?

https://apple.news/A70R6mqzCQlC_9j8NN_46IQ

Tbf I know someone very senior in all this and he is saying there is a real problem with too much ppe being used on people who don't need it. It's a difficult balance tbf

[whelk]

There’s lots of fcks up but seems like people are getting more partisan now defending their ‘side’

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52082248

[shurlock]

Tbf I know someone very senior in all this and he is saying there is a real problem with too much ppe being used on people who don't need it. It's a difficult balance tbf

 

You seemingly know everyone!

[Batman]

Tbf I know someone very senior in all this and he is saying there is a real problem with too much ppe being used on people who don't need it. It's a difficult balance tbf

The wife's place/trust has oodles of PPE.

10,000 (more in many cases now) items delivered at least weekly.

 

It is fairly strict on when/how it is used but their 'Line to Take' is to contsantly say they are very short in order to maintain pressure. Which was demonstrated a couple of weeks ago in a local article showing staff using eye protection donated from one of the local schools.....only for them to put on the correct PPE once the local journo went.

 

Issue they have at the trust, every man, woman and HCA believes (rightly or wrongly) they should be donning full PPE no matter what the scenario. That simply can't be achieved.

[RedArmy]

The wife's

Pull the other one.

[hypochondriac]

You seemingly know everyone!

It's not that much of a coincidence is it seeing as he lives in Southampton which is where I live as well. Unlike soggy I don't make up encounters with people who agree with me, in fact I didn't have an opinion on ppe either way until he mentioned it.