Coronavirus

[hypochondriac]

Two things can be true. Clearly authorities meddled to suppress many things outside of the narrative they wanted regarding the vaccine. At the same time, the vaccine is as safe as other vaccines and people who bash vaccines are hard of thinking. 

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25 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I don't even think it is conspiracy theorists in this instance, rather it is people rapidly repositioning their attitudes to curry favour and match Trump's world view.

That's exactly what it is. Sycophantic big business owners are saying what they need to say. 

[badgerx16]

14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You’ve got an interview from the owner of Facebook saying that the Biden administration told them to take down anything negative. What other supporting evidence do you need?

 

 

Show the messages from the administration. If his moral compass was so upset by what he claims, why didn't he say it 3 years ago ? Why now, 2 weeks before Trump's inauguration ?

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[sadoldgit]

I can just imagine social media in the Middle Ages -

Royal Proclamation

”We need to lock down cities, towns, villages and hamlets to stop the plague spreading”.

Commoners

”Don’t listen to them, it is fake news designed to control the turnip harvest so that the Lords can do away with us serfs and import cheaper turnips from Europe”.

”Listen to us, carry on harvesting your turnips and travelling between the markets in the cities, towns, villages, hamlets and those abroad too if you can find safe passage across the Channel. Don’t let the Deep State fool you. It is all a cunning plan we tell you! We have been told the truth by Baldrick!”

[Weston Super Saint]

4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I can just imagine social media in the Middle Ages -

Royal Proclamation

”We need to lock down cities, towns, villages and hamlets to stop the plague spreading”.

Commoners

”Don’t listen to them, it is fake news designed to control the turnip harvest so that the Lords can do away with us serfs and import cheaper turnips from Europe”.

”Listen to us, carry on harvesting your turnips and travelling between the markets in the cities, towns, villages, hamlets and those abroad too if you can find safe passage across the Channel. Don’t let the Deep State fool you. It is all a cunning plan we tell you! We have been told the truth by Baldrick!”

Jesus wept.

[Turkish]

30 minutes ago, egg said:

That's Badger's point. It's a claim. 

Yes and we’ll never really know the truth I know Zuckerberg is up trumps arse now but would be a big call to make something like that up 

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9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yes and we’ll never really know the truth I know Zuckerberg is up trumps arse now but would be a big call to make something like that up 

Yes, but the point is that him saying it happened doesn't mean that it did. Regardless, governments were (correctly imo) trying to roll out viruses to try to get the world back to normal so on balance I have no problem with suppressing an anti vax agenda. 

[hypochondriac]

53 minutes ago, egg said:

That's exactly what it is. Sycophantic big business owners are saying what they need to say. 

Good. Dumping dei and censorship is not perfect but it's better than the alternative. 

[hypochondriac]

48 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I can just imagine social media in the Middle Ages -

Royal Proclamation

”We need to lock down cities, towns, villages and hamlets to stop the plague spreading”.

Commoners

”Don’t listen to them, it is fake news designed to control the turnip harvest so that the Lords can do away with us serfs and import cheaper turnips from Europe”.

”Listen to us, carry on harvesting your turnips and travelling between the markets in the cities, towns, villages, hamlets and those abroad too if you can find safe passage across the Channel. Don’t let the Deep State fool you. It is all a cunning plan we tell you! We have been told the truth by Baldrick!”

You fucking idiot. 

[sadoldgit]

Bloody governments, Big Pharma companies, scientists and their vaccines. Who do they think they are, coming round here trying to save my life? Bastards.

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Anybody can make a claim about anything, what helps is to provide supporting evidence.

It's not a wildly unlikely claim is it, given we have documented evidence of authorities demanding that of twitter pre Musk. I also don't see why he'd lie about something that could be so easily disproven. 

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

It's not a wildly unlikely claim is it, given we have documented evidence of authorities demanding that of twitter pre Musk. I also don't see why he'd lie about something that could be so easily disproven. 

It's a claim that could we'll be true, but the point is that he hasn't substantiated it.

That said, is his timing coincidental or contrived? 

[hypochondriac]

Trying to stretch a metaphor about trusting authority into the middle ages when authorities were busy throwing leeches on people and boring holes in skulls is about the stupidest thing I've ever seen on here. If anything that suggests the total opposite and that we very much shouldn't be listening to what those in power tell us to do. 

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[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

It's a claim that could we'll be true, but the point is that he hasn't substantiated it.

That said, is his timing coincidental or contrived? 

I think it's a combination of his own epiphany that he's been having for a few years now and the fact that Trump would probsbly forced him to do much of this stuff anyway and he doesn't want a fight about it. Either way it's great news, dei initiatives are cancerous and need removing and I'd far rather we had less censorship online than more so it's a good direction of travel. 

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I think it's a combination of his own epiphany that he's been having for a few years now and the fact that Trump would have problems baby forced him to do much of this stuff anyway and he doesn't want a fight about it. Either way it's great news, dei initiatives are cancerous and need removing and I'd far rather we had less censorship online than more so it's a good direction of travel. 

I can't agree on a complete block on censorship. There's too many dinlos that treat anything they read as fact. We need to keep focus on the truth, not BS. 

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

I can't agree on a complete block on censorship. There's too many dinlos that treat anything they read as fact. We need to keep focus on the truth, not BS. 

I didn't say a complete block on censorship, I said I prefer a state of affairs where there is less censorship than more. If we are looking at censorship then I certainly don't want the government deciding what the truth is and what is bullshit. At the time it was a disgrace that legitimate narratives about China developing Covid were suppressed as one example under the mistaken belief that it was fake news. Look at the lengths that people have had to go to before the government would refer to Pakistani rape gangs and acknowledge a problem. Those are just two relatively minor recent examples. 

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3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I didn't say a complete block on censorship, I said I prefer a state of affairs where there is less censorship than more. If we are looking at censorship then I certainly don't want the government deciding what the truth is and what is bullshit. At the time it was a disgrace that legitimate narratives about China developing Covid were suppressed as one example under the mistaken belief that it was fake news. Look at the lengths that people have had to go to before the government would refer to Pakistani rape gangs and acknowledge a problem. Those are just two relatively minor recent examples. 

Ah, gotcha. Were there fact checked and evidence supported claims at the time that china developed COVID? 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Ah, gotcha. Were there fact checked and evidence supported claims at the time that china developed COVID? 

There was a level of evidence yes but less than desirable because the Chinese didn't want to release any for obvious reasons. 

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2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

There was a level of evidence yes but less than desirable because the Chinese didn't want to release any for obvious reasons. 

So you can't in fact point to any fact checked and evidence based claims that china developed COVID. 

Call me sensible, but I'd rather we prevented the distribution of non fact checked and non evidence based claims of a serious nature. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Bloody governments, Big Pharma companies, scientists and their vaccines. Who do they think they are, coming round here trying to save my life? Bastards.

 

Bloody governments saving your life? The Tory government you mean, lead by Boris Johnson, the Tories and Boris Johnson saved your life 👏👏👏👏

What about the hospital workers that we applauded and you admitted that you only did it so you could speak to you neighbours.
 

Such gratitude 🤣

 

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[Picard]

The House Judiciary Committee did an investigation into the White House censorship efforts.

 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Bloody governments, Big Pharma companies, scientists and their vaccines. Who do they think they are, coming round here trying to save my life? Bastards.

Save it by putting it in cold storage. 

[Whitey Grandad]

55 minutes ago, egg said:

So you can't in fact point to any fact checked and evidence based claims that china developed COVID. 

Call me sensible, but I'd rather we prevented the distribution of non fact checked and non evidence based claims of a serious nature. 

Have you ever tried checking any facts in China?

[hypochondriac]

57 minutes ago, egg said:

So you can't in fact point to any fact checked and evidence based claims that china developed COVID. 

Call me sensible, but I'd rather we prevented the distribution of non fact checked and non evidence based claims of a serious nature. 

I don't think the individual case is particularly relevant to the broader point anyway. Who is providing the fact checking in your scenario? Who decides what is evidence based? Is speculation never allowed prior to something becoming fact checked and evidence based? 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Have you ever tried checking any facts in China?

That was partly my point but like I said, that one example isn't relevant to the broader point about censorship. 

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19 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Have you ever tried checking any facts in China?

Err, I'm not making allegations against china. 

Hypo claimed that "legitimate narratives about China developing Covid were suppressed".

They weren't legitimate. They were unverified claims/lies. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Bloody governments, Big Pharma companies, scientists and their vaccines. Who do they think they are, coming round here trying to save my life? Bastards.

This post should be pinned. 
 

Sad Old Git praising the Tory government he hated so much for saving his life. All to try and score points on an internet forum. The hypocrisy is outed

All hail Tories. All hail Boris Johnson 

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏