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East-stand-nic, I know I have just suggested you keep your promise and ignore me but I wish to ask a non-aggressive question out of genuine interest;

Are you against vaccination in general, or just the Covid-19 jabs specifically ? If the latter, why is it different ?

I appreciate that some people are against all vaccination for, what is to them, good reason. ( Although I think they are seriously misguided ).

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53 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

You mean I am dead? 7 of my customers who have also never been jabbed are all dead?

You have made yourself look amazingly stupid yet again.

I've never met anyone who has become very unwell from having the vaccine, but I've met a lot of people who have not had the vaccine and become very unwell. How do you explain that? 

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36 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Q

I thought you weren't conversing with my 'type' any more. Why not, this time, stick to your promise ?

The only "amazingly stupid" person here is you, posting debunked, unsubstantiated, conspiracy crap and thinking anyone is ever going to take you seriously.

I’m still waiting for everyone to drop dead.

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24 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Iam not sure whether to have another jab, I had all 4.

I had a stoke 8 weeks ago and read stuff how the heart issues and strokes have seemed to increase. I initially had the Astra Zeneka jab that I think has been withdrawn.

Iam going to ask the docs and see. Trouble is with social media you read the stories and its hard to make the balance what is the truth  

I hope you're on the mend mate. 

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6 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

I hope you're on the mend mate. 

Very kind, it was a TIA , very scary at first as I couldn't talk and the side of my face dropped. The advertising campaign from the TV alerted my wife and the medics were with me in 25mins.

Just having to watch things, unexplained at present

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35 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Iam not sure whether to have another jab, I had all 4.

I had a stoke 8 weeks ago and read stuff how the heart issues and strokes have seemed to increase. I initially had the Astra Zeneka jab that I think has been withdrawn.

Iam going to ask the docs and see. Trouble is with social media you read the stories and its hard to make the balance what is the truth  

There is a very slight risk associated with particular forms of vaccine, of which the AZ COVID jab is one. Although this risk is not specific to the COVID vaccine, I suspect that the expedited development program didn't help.

Hope you are on the mend.

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44 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

East-stand-nic, I know I have just suggested you keep your promise and ignore me but I wish to ask a non-aggressive question out of genuine interest;

Are you against vaccination in general, or just the Covid-19 jabs specifically ? If the latter, why is it different ?

I appreciate that some people are against all vaccination for, what is to them, good reason. ( Although I think they are seriously misguided ).

A couple of weeks ago I went down with COVID. Felt awful for 2 days but fine after a couple more. My recovery seemed to start after taking ibuprofen.

Do the anti vaxers disapprove of all forms of COVID prevention / treatment? I was after all polluting my body with ibuprofen and who knows what they put in those tablets? Would east stand nic Thame ibuprofen if he ever caught COVID?

 

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4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Since this thread was bumped, I thought I’d check in with what the Volvic Whisperer was retweeting. Another absolute belter from that fruitcake who told him about the alien spaceships.

 

The mind boggles how these people link a vaccine to all the other nonsense he's babbling on about. I pushed my kids forwards for the MMR vaccine but strangely enough these fools weren't banging on about this other rubbish then. As for digital currency, it's like they've never heard of Bitcoin etc. 

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Weston Super Saint

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2 hours ago, egg said:

I suspect that's untrue, or you're very sheltered. I know people who've developed diabetes from COVID, arthritis type conditions, lung conditions and heart issues from COVID. They regret not having had a jab available. I also know of someone who died. I suspect he'd regret it. His family definitely do. 

Out of interest, why do the people who've had the jab regret it? Was it the cough and tiredness they lasted a day or two? 

It isn't, sadly.

I regret having the jab - well certainly having the AZ one. Since I had that one (my first), I spent six hours in hospital after two weeks as I had a headache that would not go for the whole time, I had blood tests for clots but nothing. The constant headache lasted for about 8 weeks in total.  I still suffer miserably when I exercise and my heart rate goes over 90% of maximum for more than 20 seconds - I am then wiped out with a headache for the rest of the day and can do very little. I've had blocked sinuses for 2 years now since the first jab. Doctor's have been useless to date and I have to have a steroid spray on prescription (£9.75 per month) as well as decongestant sprays that cost about another £20 per month.

All that and I've had COVID three times since having the jabs.

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Weston Super Saint

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3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

What!?!? A booster programme being brought out to coincide with literally that exact thing it was developed in anticipation of!? That’s too much of a coincidence for me.

Have you ever noticed how in May/June every year supermarkets start selling sun cream and it mysteriously starts getting sunny outside? Those devious bastards at Nivea are controlling the weather and the brainwashed sheeple are to gullible to see what’s happening.

Whilst your suncream analogy is obviously hilarious, it is also totally irrelevant and pointless.

COVID can be caught year round - I had it in April, Mrs WSS had it in May and again in September and we have both had all the vaccinations we are eligible for.

The "coincidence" refers to the new strain being announced (30 odd people have had it since August) just in time for the booster rollout.

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Weston Super Saint

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3 hours ago, egg said:

Cheers MLT!

COVID has strains and variations in the way that flu does. There'll be seasonal boosters as per flu. It's hilarious how some people think that the government get something out of an expensive vaccine program. 

I wasn't gonna have the booster but I know of people who've been quite poorly recently so may treat myself. 

 

Unless you are over 65 or in a select group of vulnerable people or work with vulnerable people then you aren't eligible, so you won't be treating yourself....

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14 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I have to have a steroid spray on prescription (£9.75 per month) as well as decongestant sprays that cost about another £20 per month

On a practical note, might be worth getting yourself a  pre-pay prescription certificate, currently £111.60/year. As someone with Crohn's Disease it saves me an absolute fortune. 

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7 minutes ago, trousers said:

Sorry to hear that Nick. My sister-in-law is a stroke specialist and used to run the stroke ward at our local hospital so don't hesitate to drop me a message if you ever need any advice etc. ❤️

Thanks Trousers, very kind.

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13 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

It isn't, sadly.

I regret having the jab - well certainly having the AZ one. Since I had that one (my first), I spent six hours in hospital after two weeks as I had a headache that would not go for the whole time, I had blood tests for clots but nothing. The constant headache lasted for about 8 weeks in total.  I still suffer miserably when I exercise and my heart rate goes over 90% of maximum for more than 20 seconds - I am then wiped out with a headache for the rest of the day and can do very little. I've had blocked sinuses for 2 years now since the first jab. Doctor's have been useless to date and I have to have a steroid spray on prescription (£9.75 per month) as well as decongestant sprays that cost about another £20 per month.

All that and I've had COVID three times since having the jabs.

I'm sorry to hear that, sounds awful.

Is it possible that your issues stem from COVID, rather than the vaccine? 

 

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8 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Whilst your suncream analogy is obviously hilarious, it is also totally irrelevant and pointless.

COVID can be caught year round - I had it in April, Mrs WSS had it in May and again in September and we have both had all the vaccinations we are eligible for.

The "coincidence" refers to the new strain being announced (30 odd people have had it since August) just in time for the booster rollout.

New strains of interest/concern/whatever are being documented continuously. Here is a list of variants so long I can’t be arsed to scroll through it.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/variants-concern

I would be surprised if at any given time there wasn’t some new variant going around.

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A vaccine will not stop you catching a virus. What if does is train your immune system to more rapidly identify and respond to it, which might mean you suffer low level symptoms, ( compared to a full on infection ), if exposed. It also reduces the chance that you will, yourself, become infectious.

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2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

New strains of interest/concern/whatever are being documented continuously. Here is a list of variants so long I can’t be arsed to scroll through it.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/variants-concern

I would be surprised if at any given time there wasn’t some new variant going around.

Darwinism at work.

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15 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

New strains of interest/concern/whatever are being documented continuously. Here is a list of variants so long I can’t be arsed to scroll through it.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/variants-concern

I would be surprised if at any given time there wasn’t some new variant going around.

And yet, not one of them have made the news up until the newest one, just before the booster programme is being launched.

You seem to be struggling with why I have stated that is a coincidence....

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1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Iam not sure whether to have another jab, I had all 4.

I had a stoke 8 weeks ago and read stuff how the heart issues and strokes have seemed to increase. I initially had the Astra Zeneka jab that I think has been withdrawn.

Iam going to ask the docs and see. Trouble is with social media you read the stories and its hard to make the balance what is the truth  

Hi Nick, sorry to hear that but glad that you are being taken care of.

Dont bother with social media, listen to your doctor. I have had a heart condition for 12 years now which is controlled by meds. I was concerned about the vaccine and the boosters so asked my doctor for his advice which was that I was better off taking them than not. All meds have possible side effects for certain people but you have to weigh up the risks. I am allergic to penicillin. Mrs SOG can’t take a certain type of pain killer. Look in any packet of meds and you will find a list of possible side effects as long as your arm.

My brother has the same condition as I do. He has spent his career working for big pharma companies and for the last few years works for a company who run audits on the manufacturing process of meds, so he gets the inside info. He is happy to have the vaccines and for his family to have them too.

I have had the whole course so far and the only side effects have been a sore arm. I did have some palpitations a week or so after the last one for a while. Whether that was due to the vaccine or not we never really got to the bottom of, but a few months later my condition worsened and it turned out that my basic meds needed changing. No problems since and it may well be that my system was just no longer responding to the original meds and needed a change. I expect that conspiracy theorists would just assume the vaccine was to blame.

I assume that you are now taking blood thinners? That will reduce the threat of clots anyway. Your consultant and GP are there for your care and well being. Better to listen to their advice than some scare mongerers on the internet.

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3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

And yet, not one of them have made the news up until the newest one, just before the booster programme is being launched.

You seem to be struggling with why I have stated that is a coincidence....

I know right. It’s almost as if we’ve had a war in Ukraine, a cost of living crisis, a rugby World Cup, a heatwave, an escaped terrorist, an air traffic control failure, some dodgy concrete, a coup in Niger, wildfires in Greece, a missing submarine, a new iPhone, a court trial of a US president, Eurovision and a whole bunch of celebrities either dying or shagging each other, which people seem more interested in that a virus we stopped giving a sh*t about 18 months ago.

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37 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The symptoms started after the first vaccination (August 2021). I did not have my first bout of COVID until May 2022, so the symptoms can only be linked to the vaccination.

You *might* have had COVID (symptomless or otherwise) before that without realising it... 

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28 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I know right. It’s almost as if we’ve had a war in Ukraine, a cost of living crisis, a rugby World Cup, a heatwave, an escaped terrorist, an air traffic control failure, some dodgy concrete, a coup in Niger, wildfires in Greece, a missing submarine, a new iPhone, a court trial of a US president, Eurovision and a whole bunch of celebrities either dying or shagging each other, which people seem more interested in that a virus we stopped giving a sh*t about 18 months ago.

Yep, all those must be the reason and definitely not the fact that the booster programme is just starting.

Oddball.

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7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Maybe.

But having a headache the same day as the vaccine that did not go away for around 8 weeks probably points to the vaccine rather than an illness I never even knew I had...

Does seem more likely. Annoying for you that you'll never know for sure one way or the other. 

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8 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Yep, all those must be the reason and definitely not the fact that the booster programme is just starting.

Oddball.

So what's the point you make about what you see as the link between the newly mentioned strain and the booster? To my mind there's absolutely no issue with the public being alerted to the new strain, and vulnerable people getting a booster if they want one. What am I missing? 

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9 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Maybe.

But having a headache the same day as the vaccine that did not go away for around 8 weeks probably points to the vaccine rather than an illness I never even knew I had...

Hmm. Seems odd, but I take your point. Regardless, some people sadly suffer side effects to some medication, but that doesn't detract from the overall benefits. I'm in no doubt that the vaccines saved me from COVID being a hell of a lot worse on the occasions that I had it. 

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4 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

It isn't, sadly.

I regret having the jab - well certainly having the AZ one. Since I had that one (my first), I spent six hours in hospital after two weeks as I had a headache that would not go for the whole time, I had blood tests for clots but nothing. The constant headache lasted for about 8 weeks in total.  I still suffer miserably when I exercise and my heart rate goes over 90% of maximum for more than 20 seconds - I am then wiped out with a headache for the rest of the day and can do very little. I've had blocked sinuses for 2 years now since the first jab. Doctor's have been useless to date and I have to have a steroid spray on prescription (£9.75 per month) as well as decongestant sprays that cost about another £20 per month.

All that and I've had COVID three times since having the jabs.

Genuinely sorry to read this.

Your headaches are nothing to do with me living rent free in your head. Honest. 😁😁😁

 

 

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3 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Maybe.

But having a headache the same day as the vaccine that did not go away for around 8 weeks probably points to the vaccine rather than an illness I never even knew I had...

Or perhaps, bearing in mind that the doctors can apparently find nothing physically wrong with you, it's psychogenic pain brought on by continually reading and believing all this anti-vax fear mongering. In short, you are suffering side effects because you convinced yourself you were going to suffer side effects.

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30 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Or perhaps, bearing in mind that the doctors can apparently find nothing physically wrong with you, it's psychogenic pain brought on by continually reading and believing all this anti-vax fear mongering. In short, you are suffering side effects because you convinced yourself you were going to suffer side effects.

Unbelievable post.

Perhaps read my previous posts from earlier today and see if there are any hints about my 'anti-vax' stance.

Then give your head a wobble, oddball.

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1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

There was always going to be a booster programme this Autumn irrespective of a new variant

It's not in any doubt and I've never suggested otherwise.

I've only suggested that it is very convenient that there is a new strain of COVID that is helping to 'sell' the booster programme.

It's already been admitted during the COVID enquiry that scaremongering has been rife to increase vaccine take up, yet here we are again with another convenient new strain just when one is needed.

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4 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Yep, all those must be the reason and definitely not the fact that the booster programme is just starting.

Oddball.

The news picked up on it because the identified sub-variant caused the roll out to be brought forward, making it more newsworthy than other sub-variants. I hope that helps.

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12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Completely unnecessary post. Have a word with yourself 

Ah, bless.  It’’s quite sweet the way that you lot close ranks and support each other. Don’t you think he can look after himself?

It was actually a funny remark and I bet you would have made it against someone else under different circumstances if you had been smart enough to think of it.

And before you kick off again, no one is wishing a serious medical problem on anyone.

Oh, and yes, to save you a post, I still have you on ignore but chose to read this post as I sensed you were going to go all “Turkish” on here again. I wasn’t disappointed. 😉

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3 hours ago, egg said:

Hmm. Seems odd, but I take your point. Regardless, some people sadly suffer side effects to some medication, but that doesn't detract from the overall benefits. I'm in no doubt that the vaccines saved me from COVID being a hell of a lot worse on the occasions that I had it. 

Indeed.

I've already stated that I've had not one, but three vaccinations.

I also answered your previous question (truthfully) about whether there was anyone who now regretted having the vaccine.  Put me in that camp for sure.  Whilst I appreciate people suffer side effects to some medication, in general those side effects are known about before the medication is taken and the risks are weighed against the rewards.  'Headache' was listed as a side effect of the vaccine, but in the same way as a 'sore arm' was listed.  No warning was given that it would happen every time I undertake vigorous exercise for at least two years afterwards (I get that that was unlikely to be known when the vaccine was rolled out, but doesn't that bolster the regret about taking an untested vaccine?).

I thank the Lord every day though that I haven't turned into a lizard person and so far I don't have any particular need to use Microsoft products....

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6 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

The news picked up on it because the identified sub-variant caused the roll out to be brought forward, making it more newsworthy than other sub-variants. I hope that helps.

I am well aware of that - it was written in the article I posted.

That particular sub variant has so far infected 34 people (28 in the same care home) and not one of them has been seriously ill.

Not sure that the planned 'autumn' rollout has actually been brought forward a huge amount though....

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15 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Ah, bless.  It’’s quite sweet the way that you lot close ranks and support each other. Don’t you think he can look after himself?

It was actually a funny remark and I bet you would have made it against someone else under different circumstances if you had been smart enough to think of it.

And before you kick off again, no one is wishing a serious medical problem on anyone.

Oh, and yes, to save you a post, I still have you on ignore but chose to read this post as I sensed you were going to go all “Turkish” on here again. I wasn’t disappointed. 😉


I’m not “closing rank” you bellend. This thread was going quite well and the post from Tamesaint was completely unnecessary as was yours 

 

That was the only post I’ve made on this subject so your excuse of “going Turkish” is bullshit. 

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10 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I am well aware of that - it was written in the article I posted.

That particular sub variant has so far infected 34 people (28 in the same care home) and not one of them has been seriously ill.

Not sure that the planned 'autumn' rollout has actually been brought forward a huge amount though....

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2023/09/nhs-winter-vaccine-rollout-kicks-off-with-care-homes/

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