RedArmy Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Pretty crazy how easily everyone has accepted giving up their civil liberties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint01 Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Pretty crazy how easily everyone has accepted giving up their civil liberties. Are. You. Serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 ‘Use food delivery services where you can.’ Might be able to get a slot in late May if you’re quick, ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 March, 2020 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2020 The prisons are going to be rammed with this persistent 2 times a day runners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Still seeing stuff on social media saying the direction is not very clear! My god! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Wow Which clown said if this was a weapon, it would be a pretty feeble one Weston I believe, in response to me. Better get used to this sort of stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Still seeing stuff on social media saying the direction is not very clear! My god! Mind boggling really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Pretty crazy how easily everyone has accepted giving up their civil liberties. Happy to give them up if it saves the lives of my fellow countrymen tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Happy to give them up if it saves the lives of my fellow countrymen tbhFor only a few weeks too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Just watched Boris. All of us in the pub couldn't believe what we were hearing. I spat my beer all over the three blokes opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Still seeing stuff on social media saying the direction is not very clear! My god! That’s because it isn’t. Too many unanswered questions. “Travelling to and from work”. Work is not always done at just one place. It might be clear to certain people in certain situations, but there are many instances where this guidance is undefined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 For only a few weeks too The hassle I’ll go through over those few weeks will be nothing compared to the families that will lose loved ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 That’s because it isn’t. Too many unanswered questions. “Travelling to and from work”. Work is not always done at just one place. It might be clear to certain people in certain situations, but there are many instances where this guidance is undefined.Let's be honest. Unless you are a key worker, you should not be working if it cannot be done at home. Obvious really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint01 Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 That’s because it isn’t. Too many unanswered questions. “Travelling to and from work”. Work is not always done at just one place. It might be clear to certain people in certain situations, but there are many instances where this guidance is undefined. This. Is a builder ‘essential’? To me - yes, personally, but there’s 3 of them on my job - so will they get dispersed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Let's be honest. Unless you are a key worker, you should not be working if it cannot be done at home. Obvious really Why didn’t he say they then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 This. Is a builder ‘essential’? To me - yes, personally, but there’s 3 of them on my job - so will they get dispersed?Are they listed key workers? Just seen a post on Facebook where someone will be opening their hair salon tomorrow as that is also essential! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Let's be honest. Unless you are a key worker, you should not be working if it cannot be done at home. Obvious really How about services that support key workers? What if an ambulance needs a new tyre, or some diesel? If someone works in co-op, are they a key worker or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 How about services that support key workers? What if an ambulance needs a new tyre, or some diesel? If someone works in co-op, are they a key worker or not?The contracts that supports emergency vehicles will remain extant and those workers know this. A mechanic at your local garage without such contract, who can quickly MOT your car, will have to shut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Strong measures although still some things open to interpretation. It's obvious by the lack of traffic that a lot of people are already staying at home but there's loads of companies who will still be telling their staff to come in because they don't want to lose money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 The contracts that supports emergency vehicles will remain extant and those workers know this. A mechanic at your local garage without such contract, who can quickly MOT your car, will have to shut Fair enough, you probably know emergency protocols better than I do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 How about services that support key workers? What if an ambulance needs a new tyre, or some diesel? If someone works in co-op, are they a key worker or not? Surely 99% of this is obvious. The emergency services will have their own maintenance contracts. Supermarkets, petrol stations and chemists will remain open. Top Shop, Ann Summers and Games Workshop won’t. Various transport services also count as essential, I’m sure their line managers are capable of marking competent decisions on who needs to be at work and who doesn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Fair enough, you probably know emergency protocols better than I do!I said way further up that the planning gone into this, just from the area I have visibility on, has been on a level we have not seen ever in peace time. All to save the NHS, otherwise, we are all done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 That was in response to CB Fry’s post further up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Let's be honest. Unless you are a key worker, you should not be working if it cannot be done at home. Obvious really “Obvious really” What is that supposed to mean? If you have a business that desperately needs some finance to see it through the next month how do you “do that from home”? If you have manufacturing contracts to fulfill, how do you “do that from home”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 “Obvious really” What is that supposed to mean? If you have a business that desperately needs some finance to see it through the next month how do you “do that from home”? If you have manufacturing contracts to fulfill, how do you “do that from home”?That is a different argument to what is being instructed by the PM. No good worrying about a business if you are dead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 I'm also a bit confused by some reactions I've seen on twitter, one post saying ''It's not lock-down, so I'm not staying in'' - I mean, what on gods earth do you have to do? Personally, I'd let those dicks go out and just taser the ****ers for 3 weeks non-stop. I would say that the 'going to work' element is a bit confusing and needs urgent clarity. What is essential to some isn't essential to others, what can be done remotely can't be done for others - and that's across all sectors. He just needs to say that the only people leaving the house for work should be key workers and that will put an end to the uncertainty - otherwise this is open to business interpretation (construction firms, docks, industry etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 That is a different argument to what is being instructed by the PM. No good worrying about a business if you are dead! But if that business employs several people who would otherwise lose their jobs? Please don’t mention the government’s lans to offer financial help. There are no details yet as to how that will be arranged, and anyway somebody has to be there to try to get the help. At both ends of the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 I'm also a bit confused by some reactions I've seen on twitter, one post saying ''It's not lock-down, so I'm not staying in'' - I mean, what on gods earth do you have to do? Personally, I'd let those dicks go out and just taser the ****ers for 3 weeks non-stop. I would say that the 'going to work' element is a bit confusing and needs urgent clarity. What is essential to some isn't essential to others, what can be done remotely can't be done for others - and that's across all sectors. He just needs to say that the only people leaving the house for work should be key workers and that will put an end to the uncertainty - otherwise this is open to business interpretation (construction firms, docks, industry etc) But if he says that only key workers can go out hundreds of thousands of businesses will go bust in a matter of days, not weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 But if that business employs several people who would otherwise lose their jobs? Please don’t mention the government’s lans to offer financial help. There are no details yet as to how that will be arranged, and anyway somebody has to be there to try to get the help. At both ends of the line.They can crack on if they want. Risk being killed by the virus, or at best, a hefty fine. Not sure who many would expect to sell their goods to. But each to their own. We are a breath away from tougher lockdowns, like they have in France. Where you are awarded a e1000 fine on the spot and a scrap with a soldier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Surely 99% of this is obvious. The emergency services will have their own maintenance contracts. Supermarkets, petrol stations and chemists will remain open. Top Shop, Ann Summers and Games Workshop won’t. Various transport services also count as essential, I’m sure their line managers are capable of marking competent decisions on who needs to be at work and who doesn’t. As a Tube worker we’ve been told we’re not closing to keep ferrying the key workers around. The problem is staff are dropping like flies as they self isolate because they or one of their household have Covid 19 symptoms, and that is largely because they are coming into contact with customers despite posters advising the social distancing 2 metres and posters saying essential travel only. Luckily for me, as a Station Supervisor of one of the smaller stations, I can position myself in the office, minimising direct contact with customers. There have been a couple of incidents in the last couple of days on other lines than mine, involving customers collapsing with Covid 19 symptoms, which staff and other customers have obviously been exposed to. Rush hour this morning was a lot busier than I was expecting, I wait to see how busy tomorrow is. This is an unprecedented and unique situation. Unfortunately there will still be people out there that don’t respect authority and will flaunt the new guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 But if that business employs several people who would otherwise lose their jobs? Please don’t mention the government’s lans to offer financial help. There are no details yet as to how that will be arranged, and anyway somebody has to be there to try to get the help. At both ends of the line. WG you are the PM what message would you give? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 But if he says that only key workers can go out hundreds of thousands of businesses will go bust in a matter of days, not weeks. It's such a tricky balancing act, but the government are doing a lot to help all businesses. Will prob get further help going forward. I think without that clarity you'll still get commutes full of people, like we saw today on the tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Wow Which clown said if this was a weapon, it would be a pretty feeble one Weston I believe, in response to me. Better get used to this sort of stuff... Which clowns seriously believe this is a weapon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 But if he says that only key workers can go out hundreds of thousands of businesses will go bust in a matter of days, not weeks. I would hazard an educated guess that there are a lot of casual foreign workers in London getting paid cash in hand. Illegal,yes, but if that stops they’ll either resort to crime or die. Which means non -essential travel, at least in London, will continue until greater measures are put in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 They can crack on if they want. Risk being killed by the virus, or at best, a hefty fine. Not sure who many would expect to sell their goods to. But each to their own. We are a breath away from tougher lockdowns, like they have in France. Where you are awarded a e1000 fine on the spot and a scrap with a soldier. I’m not talking about companies that make goods and then hope to sell them. There are many companies that have contracts to fulfil and if they don’t supply these contracts then they so get paid and if they don’t get paid then they can’t pay their staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 It's such a tricky balancing act, but the government are doing a lot to help all businesses. Will prob get further help going forward. I think without that clarity you'll still get commutes full of people, like we saw today on the tube.All this help is great, but you have to wonder at the size of the deep recession that is inbound! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 It's such a tricky balancing act, but the government are doing a lot to help all businesses. Will prob get further help going forward. I think without that clarity you'll still get commutes full of people, like we saw today on the tube. The government aren’t doing anything at the moment. At the moment it’s all promises but no actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Still seeing stuff on social media saying the direction is not very clear! My god! Yep. Couldn't have been clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Yep. Couldn't have been clearer. Clear as mud. What counts as “absolutely cannot be done from home”? I can think of loads of examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Weston I believe, in response to me. Better get used to this sort of stuff... Classic Westie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Clear as mud. What counts as “absolutely cannot be done from home”? I can think of loads of examples.You are correct. But these are exceptional times and people will lose their jobs and their lives Tragic, I know, but the whole economic machine is grinding to a halt as we speak. This is unprecedented in this country. We will be paying for decades I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Where are you based SiP? My abode is in Tauranga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 How about deliveries? Royal Mail / DHL etc. Will these carry on or be suspended do we think? No, I’m not concerned about any bloody Amazon orders, just trying to gauge the scale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 How about deliveries? Royal Mail / DHL etc. Will these carry on or be suspended do we think? No, I’m not concerned about any bloody Amazon orders, just trying to gauge the scale! I’ve just ordered an angle grinder from Amazon and some other bits from Toolstation. I’ll let you know if any of it turns up in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 How about deliveries? Royal Mail / DHL etc. Will these carry on or be suspended do we think? No, I’m not concerned about any bloody Amazon orders, just trying to gauge the scale!Can only imagine deliveries will continue (generally lonesome job,) with all priority given to the coronavirus effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 I’ve just ordered an angle grinder from Amazon and some other bits from Toolstation. I’ll let you know if any of it turns up in the near future. Ordered a book from Amazon on Saturday - arrived this lunchtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Wow Which clown said if this was a weapon, it would be a pretty feeble one Oppenheimer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 As a Tube worker we’ve been told we’re not closing to keep ferrying the key workers around. The problem is staff are dropping like flies as they self isolate because they or one of their household have Covid 19 symptoms, and that is largely because they are coming into contact with customers despite posters advising the social distancing 2 metres and posters saying essential travel only. Luckily for me, as a Station Supervisor of one of the smaller stations, I can position myself in the office, minimising direct contact with customers. There have been a couple of incidents in the last couple of days on other lines than mine, involving customers collapsing with Covid 19 symptoms, which staff and other customers have obviously been exposed to. Rush hour this morning was a lot busier than I was expecting, I wait to see how busy tomorrow is. This is an unprecedented and unique situation. Unfortunately there will still be people out there that don’t respect authority and will flaunt the new guidelines. I think there’s a certain tolerance of idiocy built in to most of the predictions. If everyone was able to stick to the governments advice rigidly, 99% of people would only spread it to people in our own homes. It would basically be over in a month. Sadly that won’t happen. Partly due to stupidity and partly due to people such as yourselves, who are forced into social interaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 March, 2020 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Still seeing stuff on social media saying the direction is not very clear! My god! Do you think might be wise to stay off social media? Seems many getting worked up by MLT. Don’t think it is doing any of us any good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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