Coronavirus

[Jimmy_D]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Actually if it’s true as it seems that in fact this variant is a lot more mild it might actually be the luckiest break mankind has had for centuries 

Really could be. Really hope it is. Too early to say just yet, though, and the cost of assuming that and being wrong would be immense.

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Really could be. Really hope it is. Too early to say just yet, though, and the cost of assuming that and being wrong would be immense.

when you suggest it is too early to say, C19 deaths in SA are dropping like a stone (apparently).  More people have been killed at a BLM riot than by Omicron

 

 

Edited 11 December, 2021 by AlexLaw76

[Turkish]

15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

when you suggest it is too early to say, C19 deaths in SA are dropping like a stone (apparently).  More people have been killed at a BLM riot than by Omicron

 

 

Correction. More people have been killed at a largely peaceful BLM riot than of omicron 

[Whitey Grandad]

33 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Actually if it’s true as it seems that in fact this variant is a lot more mild it might actually be the luckiest break mankind has had for centuries 

Or since Spanish Flu mutated to something less virulent.

Yes, about one century ago. It’s the way that all viruses mutate. If true that it’s milder then it is indeed good news and perhaps we should be encouraging the spread of it rather than imposing restrictions?

[Jimmy_D]

55 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

when you suggest it is too early to say, C19 deaths in SA are dropping like a stone (apparently).  More people have been killed at a BLM riot than by Omicron

 

 

The massive drop in deaths reflects the previous wave of Delta receding.

Hospitalisations and deaths are lagging factors, and the massive spike in cases caused by Omicron won’t necessarily have shown up in those yet.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/south-africa#what-is-the-daily-number-of-confirmed-cases

Also there are further confounding factors in the data from South Africa that mean it might not translate to a wave in the UK, for example, so far the vast majority of infections in South Africa are in younger age groups, and with Omicron being so heavily mutated, it’s possible there are other factors involved, for example a change in incubation period or progression of illness.

The anecdotal reports of it being milder ARE promising, but like I said, it’s too early to assume that’s the whole picture just yet.

[aintforever]

Looking at the speed it is spreading and how well it is evading the vaccines we better hope it is milder or we are heading towards a world of shit.

[Picard]

Interesting that Omicron's nearest ancestor was observed over a year ago.

[egg]

12 hours ago, The Kraken said:

France are already talking about jab 4 ffs.

Some people here are lined up for jab 4. My mum is. She has an underlying health issue so apparently needs it. 

Here's the thing though, there's no "ffs" about it. She's told that she needs it for the good of her health so she'll roll up her sleeve, take 10 mins out of her life, and give herself a better chance of fending off covid if/when she gets it. 

I'm accepting that covid is here to stay and I'll need boosters regularly. Not sure what the issue is. 

[trousers]

14 hours ago, The Kraken said:

France are already talking about jab 4 ffs.

 

1 hour ago, egg said:

Some people here are lined up for jab 4. My mum is. She has an underlying health issue so apparently needs it. 

Yep, I'm due a 4th jab in February

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, egg said:

 

I'm accepting that covid is here to stay and I'll need software upgrades regularly. Not sure what the issue is. 

Corrected.

[egg]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Corrected.

Thank. You. I. Am. Grateful. 

[The Kraken]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Some people here are lined up for jab 4. My mum is. She has an underlying health issue so apparently needs it. 

Here's the thing though, there's no "ffs" about it. She's told that she needs it for the good of her health so she'll roll up her sleeve, take 10 mins out of her life, and give herself a better chance of fending off covid if/when she gets it. 

I'm accepting that covid is here to stay and I'll need boosters regularly. Not sure what the issue is. 

It’s not having jabs that is any sort of problem. My third is lined up for Jan and I’m trying to get it quicker. Have will be a fact of life.

my FFS comment was because of a couple of news comments I read whereby some in France are talking about keeping restrictions in place until jab 4.

If the science supports that then that’s what it will be I suppose.

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

It’s not having jabs that is any sort of problem. My third is lined up for Jan and I’m trying to get it quicker. Have will be a fact of life.

my FFS comment was because of a couple of news comments I read whereby some in France are talking about keeping restrictions in place until jab 4.

If the science supports that then that’s what it will be I suppose.

Until the next variant and they keep restrictions in place until the 5th jab

[AlexLaw76]

30 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Until the next variant and they keep restrictions in place until the 5th jab

no, until we expand the covid passport into a more bio-passport - can never be too safe

[egg]

59 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Until the next variant and they keep restrictions in place until the 5th jab

Are the restrictions actually restrictive though? Ours aren't in reality, pop a mask on inside, but otherwise go where you want and do what you want. For now anyway. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Are the restrictions actually restrictive though? Ours aren't in reality, pop a mask on inside, but otherwise go where you want and do what you want. For now anyway. 

They aren’t really which makes boris rushed press conference pretty laughable. Fully expect more though give them panic and scaremongering modelling predicting millions of infections 

[Tamesaint]

The Covid measures about to be introduced must be right if the likes of Christopher Chope, Steve Baker, John Redwood  and Desmond Swayne are against them. Do these nutters really represent the views of their constituents?

[Turkish]

Boris to address the nation again at 8 then. 

[Plastic]

Boosters for 18 million people over the next 19 days? If you work in the NHS I hope you like working 24 hrs a day, including Christmas. Boris is a fucking moron. 

Edited 12 December, 2021 by Plastic

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, Plastic said:

Boosters for 18 million people over the next 19 days? If you work in the NHS I hope you like working 24 hrs a day, including Christmas. Boris is a fucking moron. 

do you really believe that many will get done? It was clear that the PM is throwing down the gauntlet to the system and the public to get as many done as possible.

[buctootim]

4 minutes ago, Plastic said:

Boosters for 18 million people over the next 19 days? If you work in the NHS I hope you like working 24 hrs a day, including Christmas. Boris is a fucking moron. 

Thats more urgent cancer and surgery sessions cancelled for known sick people so that we can try to reduce infections of a disease variant which so far appears to be mild. 

[Plastic]

14 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

do you really believe that many will get done? 

Why of course, wasn't that obvious from my comment? 🤔

[CB Fry]

All Boris has done tonight is a ten minute prime time time Party Political Broadcast in the week of a by-election and after a week of bad polling and terrible headlines.

Look at me being all Prime Minister like. Vote for me Shropshire.

 

[The Kraken]

22 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

All Boris has done tonight is a ten minute prime time time Party Political Broadcast in the week of a by-election and after a week of bad polling and terrible headlines.

Look at me being all Prime Minister like. Vote for me Shropshire.

 

I have my booster booked for 5th Jan, after tonight’s announcement from the fat slob I thought I’d see if I can bring it forward. Spent 25 minutes in a queue on nhs online only to be told there are no appointments available.

Quite clear that this is just another example of deflection. Set a target which sounds good but don’t put a plan in place to actually achieve it.

Fat cunt.

[whelk]

19 hours ago, Picard said:

Interesting that Omicron's nearest ancestor was observed over a year ago.

Fucking hell mate. If I presented data like that I’d be sacked. 3 bullet points and a graphic that I understand will suffice.

[whelk]

17 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I have my booster booked for 5th Jan, after tonight’s announcement from the fat slob I thought I’d see if I can bring it forward. Spent 25 minutes in a queue on nhs online only to be told there are no appointments available.

Quite clear that this is just another example of deflection. Set a target which sounds good but don’t put a plan in place to actually achieve it.

Fat cunt.

Had mine today- Pfizer. No side effects and well run. Two queues, those of us that had appointments and another for walk-ins. 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Plastic said:

Boosters for 18 million people over the next 19 days? If you work in the NHS I hope you like working 24 hrs a day, including Christmas. Boris is a fucking moron. 

If only the fucking civil servants got off their fucking pelotons and worked as hard as MPs. I hate the fat cunt more everyday and didn’t even see his briefing.

[whelk]

On 11/12/2021 at 10:06, AlexLaw76 said:

 

I’d kill myself if I got a ‘like’ from SalmonSi. Maybe you two pricks should meet up for a drink?

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, buctootim said:

Thats more urgent cancer and surgery sessions cancelled for known sick people so that we can try to reduce infections of a disease variant which so far appears to be mild. 

Are they not being done by volunteers any more then? My second jab was in a branch of boots back in September, I doubt I inconvenienced anyone on an oncology ward.

[revolution saint]

27 minutes ago, whelk said:

Had mine today- Pfizer. No side effects and well run. Two queues, those of us that had appointments and another for walk-ins. 

I got mine on Thursday. The centre is a few mins walk from home so decided to just walk up and chance it. No problems at all getting the jab and all very efficient and quick. Arm seemed to hurt more than AZ jabs but nothing too bad and glad I’m doing what Boris said and protecting our way of life……

[buctootim]

29 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Are they not being done by volunteers any more then? My second jab was in a branch of boots back in September, I doubt I inconvenienced anyone on an oncology ward.

No.   The large majority of vaccinations are done in primary care. If they are doing jabs they arent doing consultations to diagnose cancers, heart disease etc - in those early days when early intervention makes difference.  This announcement doubles down and starts directly reducing secondary (hospital) non covid care.  

 

GPs are to be paid up to £30 per vaccine as part of a ramping up of the booster jab roll-out in the UK, NHS chief executive Amanda Pritchard has announced.

She added that she was aiming to free up capacity to allow hospitals, GPs and other services to administer more booster jabs.

“We will need to expand vaccination capacity right across the NHS,” she said.  She added: “Our hard-working GPs, community pharmacists and primary care colleagues have delivered the lion’s share of the vaccinations so far. We’re looking at how we can help them to do even more by cutting other burdens on them to free up clinicians’ time.”  

 

Edited 12 December, 2021 by buctootim

[Patrick Bateman]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Had mine today- Pfizer. No side effects and well run. Two queues, those of us that had appointments and another for walk-ins. 

Wait until tomorrow when you fall asleep ... 

I had 2x AstraZeneca, then a 3rd which was Pfizer about a month ago - the next day I just couldn't stay awake, it was weird. 

[CB Fry]

32 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Wait until tomorrow when you fall asleep ... 

I had 2x AstraZeneca, then a 3rd which was Pfizer about a month ago - the next day I just couldn't stay awake, it was weird. 

Similar except my third on Friday was Moderna - surely the Happy Shopper of the available vaccine brands. I spent most of Saturday on the sofa or in bed.

Only a 24 hour thing but feverish, achy and tired. Actually very similar experience to when I actually had Covid a couple of months ago.

 

[sadoldgit]

My first two were AZ. I had a Moderna booster last Monday. Had hot sweats at night on Tuesday an Wednesday and felt a bit meh during both days but other than feeling that I had been kicked my a mule in my arm, no big deal. The worst reaction I had was with my first AZ jab when after 12 hours of the jab I was feverish and felt really crap for the next day. Spoke to a retired nurse yesterday who said that it is no bad thing to get a reaction to the vaccine as it shows the antibodies are kicking in.

[whelk]

13 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Wait until tomorrow when you fall asleep ... 

I had 2x AstraZeneca, then a 3rd which was Pfizer about a month ago - the next day I just couldn't stay awake, it was weird. 

Can report still going strong at mo. Hoping I can message my boss to say I will be sleeping this afternoon but can’t do it with clear conscience 

Edited 13 December, 2021 by whelk

[whelk]

12 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

My first two were AZ. I had a Moderna booster last Monday. Had hot sweats at night on Tuesday an Wednesday and felt a bit meh during both days but other than feeling that I had been kicked my a mule in my arm, no big deal. The worst reaction I had was with my first AZ jab when after 12 hours of the jab I was feverish and felt really crap for the next day. Spoke to a retired nurse yesterday who said that it is no bad thing to get a reaction to the vaccine as it shows the antibodies are kicking in.

Me and missus have had no reaction which doesn’t seem norm. Unsure if I had COVID early on but take it as a good sign of health that I can fight effortlessly whatever goes in my arm.

[buctootim]

13 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Wait until tomorrow when you fall asleep ... 

I had 2x AstraZeneca, then a 3rd which was Pfizer about a month ago - the next day I just couldn't stay awake, it was weird. 

I had that with the first AZ but the Pfizer one didnt bother me at all. Different genes I guess  

[saint1977]

14 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Wait until tomorrow when you fall asleep ... 

I had 2x AstraZeneca, then a 3rd which was Pfizer about a month ago - the next day I just couldn't stay awake, it was weird. 

Yep, had the same last week, along with short lived man flu as per CB Fry described. Fine now. 

Interesting interview that an epidemiologist gave to BBC Newcastle today (on the BBC News live thread) which offers a sensible view:

- Early data suggests this variant isn’t as bad but before other posters start quoting this there are key variables;

- SA population much younger 

- Hasn’t been around very long, and not long enough for symptoms to be showing in any volume yet as severe enough for hospital admissions. So several weeks to go watching the data. With an older population and the associated complex needs/conditions coming with that, if millions get it in one go the NHS gets swamped on top of winter pressures.

So some early hope but also I can see the caution and need for reintroduction of some measures. Delta has hit the NHS very hard and frontline staff are already on their last legs. 

Edited 13 December, 2021 by saint1977

[Turkish]

34 minutes ago, whelk said:

Can report still going strong at mo. Hoping I can message my boss to say I will be sleeping this afternoon but can’t do it with clear conscience 

Had mine nearly two weeks ago, felt a little bit lethargic for a couple of days but that was all.

[Mystic Force]

Got my third Moderna shot a few weeks ago, didn't sleep great that night, but was way better than when I got the 2nd which made me feel really rough all weekend (Spent the weekend lying on the couch watching James May Our man in Japan)

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Me and missus have had no reaction which doesn’t seem norm. Unsure if I had COVID early on but take it as a good sign of health that I can fight effortlessly whatever goes in my arm.

Do you think if you dont have a reaction it's because you have not been jabbed with the lethal injection which is sending you to a slow death?

[badgerx16]

20 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Do you think if you dont have a reaction it's because you have not been jabbed with the lethal injection which is sending you to a slow death?

More likely the time delayed effect will kick in later. 'They' need to spread the mass extinction out to make it less obvious.

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Do you think if you dont have a reaction it's because you have not been jabbed with the lethal injection which is sending you to a slow death?

I think I have been marked as Alpha and chosen to be one of the few Bill wants to keep alive when you lot all disintegrate. They just give us something neutral. So long suckers!

Edited 13 December, 2021 by whelk

[revolution saint]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

I think I have been marked as Alpha and chosen to be one of the few Bill wants to keep alive when you lot all disintegrate. They just give us something neutral. So long suckers!

Seems like the older you are the less side effects you get.  I guess they figure old age will take care of you lot without any need for a push over the line.

[spyinthesky]

15 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Seems like the older you are the less side effects you get.  I guess they figure old age will take care of you lot without any need for a push over the line.

I am of a certain age and have experienced no issues after x 3 Covid and x 1 Flu jab but seem to be receiving unsolicited calls on my mobile from some geezer called Bill who is checking where I am.

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

I am of a certain age and have experienced no issues after x 3 Covid and x 1 Flu jab but seem to be receiving unsolicited calls on my mobile from some geezer called Bill who is checking where I am.

Did he have an Indian accent and sound like he was calling from a Calcutta call centre ?

[whelk]

43 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Seems like the older you are the less side effects you get.  I guess they figure old age will take care of you lot without any need for a push over the line.

Cheeky fucker, I feel young compared to amount of old duffers on here.

[ecuk268]

1 hour ago, spyinthesky said:

I am of a certain age and have experienced no issues after x 3 Covid and x 1 Flu jab but seem to be receiving unsolicited calls on my mobile from some geezer called Bill who is checking where I am.

Have you felt a strange compulsion to go out and buy Microsoft Office?

[The Cat]

I've had nothing more than a sore arm with any of my 3. 

Popped into town earlier about 4pm. Was so quiet considering it's so close to Xmas. Could even walk past the non-German market without getting squeezed involuntarily into Sports Direct by the crowds. 

I'm guessing this is partly due to the  work from home mandate which is taking footfall from city centres again.

Walked through Marlands and noticed the Saints shop in there now. We truly are preparing for relegation if we're opening shops in Championship standard shopping centres.

[The Cat]

If anyone hasn't a booster they can join a trial at the Uni for a new type of vaccine.