Coronavirus

[hypochondriac]

I think if there's another lockdown many people will not be as compliant. Many will think they've followed all the rules as best as they can and have been double jabbed as they were told to in order to get normality back so why should they suddenly go back into lockdown? For that reason I think it may not work. 

[Sheaf Saint]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think if there's another lockdown many people will not be as compliant. Many will think they've followed all the rules as best as they can and have been double jabbed as they were told to in order to get normality back so why should they suddenly go back into lockdown? For that reason I think it may not work. 

I think you're bang on here. Everyone's tired of it all now, and most people were flagrantly ignoring the rules before all the restrictions lifted anyway. 

[Sheaf Saint]

10 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

What, like getting everyone vaccinated and opening up he country on schedule so that we can pretty much go about life as normal?

Did they deny they were planning that then? Must have missed that.

[hypochondriac]

29 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I think you're bang on here. Everyone's tired of it all now, and most people were flagrantly ignoring the rules before all the restrictions lifted anyway. 

For my part I was very nervous at the start and was overly cautious if anything. I took a few risks last summer with eat out to help out and some more calculated risks over the Christmas period outside of my job where I had no choice but to be near people. I did however make a promise to myself that once I was fully vaccinated I would be returning to my life as normal. I actually waited a couple of months until my wife had been fully vaccinated too but since then I've ditched my mask and am just living as normal a life as I can because if not now then we never will. 

[Lighthouse]

37 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Did they deny they were planning that then? Must have missed that.

Yes, they had to deny an awful lot of conspiracy nonsense back in early spring, that we were going to be locked down forever and they were conditioning us for the ‘new normal’.

[Warriorsaint]

One wondergoal is being erased for every mind-bogglingly thick tweet Matt Le Tissier sends. Today we've lost the triple-flick one against Newcastle. It simply no longer exists. Sad!

[whelk]

2 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

One wondergoal is being erased for every mind-bogglingly thick tweet Matt Le Tissier sends. Today we've lost the triple-flick one against Newcastle. It simply no longer exists. Sad!

I used to ignore it and people getting wound thinking so what he is a legend but as he has been constantly going on for 18 months + i’ve now concluded he is a sad twat and lost all respect. 

Edited 8 September, 2021 by whelk

[Lighthouse]

19 hours ago, whelk said:

I used to ignore it and people getting wound thinking so what he is a legend but as he has been constantly going on for 18 months + i’ve now concluded he is a sad twat and lost all respect. 

It’s genuinely sad to see, as well as being a Saints hero, I was under the impression he was quite smart and humble, up until Covid. A brief glance at his Twitter feed, which I’ve long since unfollowed, shows he’s rehashing the old, ‘it actually kills fewer people than flu’ line. To show how just how reasonable and ‘open minded’ he is, he has also disabled all replies from anyone he hasn’t contacted first.

[badgerx16]

Reports of anti-vax posters being stuck up on public transport with razor blades stuck on the back to injure anybody trying to remove them.

[spyinthesky]

8 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

It’s genuinely sad to see, as well as being a Saints hero, I was under the impression he was quite smart and humble, up until Covid. A brief glance at his Twitter feed, which I’ve long since unfollowed, shows he’s rehashing the old, ‘it actually kills fewer people than flu’ line. To show how just how reasonable and ‘open minded’ he is, he has also disabled all replies from anyone he hasn’t contacted first.

I have met MLT and he came across as a relatively humble, approachable and fairly bright individual.

As a consequence I am really surprised at his conspiracy views on Covid.

At first I thought it was someone purporting to be him so I feel really sad that the views expressed are definitely his.

Such a shame.

[Warriorsaint]

8 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Reports of anti-vax posters being stuck up on public transport with razor blades stuck on the back to injure anybody trying to remove them.

Have also read reports of this. Nutters

[Plastic]

Sad for their families, but the loss of these dummies may in fact help convince US sceptics… though likely not.

https://apple.news/ALIEwvjQ_RuiRO2icizXmCw

 

Edited 10 September, 2021 by Plastic

[hypochondriac]

On 09/09/2021 at 22:26, Warriorsaint said:

Have also read reports of this. Nutters

It was fake news. 

[whelk]

9 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

It was fake news. 

I read loads of anti vax  DJs have died of Covid. presumably faking a celebrity death would take considerable effort.

Edited 11 September, 2021 by whelk
I see I see Plastic has posted a link to maybe where I read it

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

I read loads of anti vax  DJs have died of Covid. presumably faking a celebrity death would take considerable effort.

I'm a bit confused. Why are you mentioning anti vac djs dying? 

[whelk]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm a bit confused. Why are you mentioning anti vac djs dying? 

Cos they are the type of cunts spreading bs fake news about COVID. 
 

has that cleared up your confusion? Apologies if the quote threw you

[hypochondriac]

47 minutes ago, whelk said:

Cos they are the type of cunts spreading bs fake news about COVID. 
 

has that cleared up your confusion? Apologies if the quote threw you

OK so a separate point to the one I was making then? Sure I agree with you, lots of weird anti vax people spreading stupid rumours about covid. I got my jab the second it was available and moved on with my life. Everyone should use their brains and do the same thing. 

[badgerx16]

Prosecutors in France are investigating and presenting charges against a former Health Minister for her actions in the early stages of the pandemic.

[hypochondriac]

18 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Prosecutors in France are investigating and presenting charges against a former Health Minister for her actions in the early stages of the pandemic.

I have mixed feelings about this sort of thing and it depends what was actually done. I want politicians to react in the early stages of a totally unprecedented situation in the way they think is best and I accept that mistakes may occur. The suspicion I had as this situation unfolded was that politicians started acting with one eye on the inevitable investigation at the conclusion. That seems like a bad thing to me. 

[spyinthesky]

There was a group of ant vaxxers holding up signs outside if the Red Funnel Terminal yesterday.

The signs were all professionally produced so money would have to be spent on them.

I wonder who paid for them?

One of the signs said 'Dont believe media lies'

It would be interesting to know which information source the ant vaxxers rely on.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, spyinthesky said:

There was a group of ant vaxxers holding up signs outside if the Red Funnel Terminal yesterday.

The signs were all professionally produced so money would have to be spent on them.

I wonder who paid for them?

One of the signs said 'Dont believe media lies'

It would be interesting to know which information source the ant vaxxers rely on.

I can sort of understand their own reluctance to get vaccinated even if I do think they are being stupid but why do they think that they can try to persuade others not to have the jab? If they want the freedom to choose not to have it then others must also be free to choose for themselves.

[Lighthouse]

21 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I can sort of understand their own reluctance to get vaccinated even if I do think they are being stupid but why do they think that they can try to persuade others not to have the jab? If they want the freedom to choose not to have it then others must also be free to choose for themselves.

A lot of people want to feel like they're fighting against an oppressor of some sort.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

A lot of people want to feel like they're fighting against an oppressor of some sort.

That’s the story of my life.

And incidentally it’s our 51st wedding anniversary today  🎂

[egg]

34 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That’s the story of my life.

And incidentally it’s our 51st wedding anniversary today  🎂

Congratulations Whitey, that's some achievement. Hope you and your wife have a lovely day. 

[RedArmy]

5 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

There was a group of ant vaxxers holding up signs outside if the Red Funnel Terminal yesterday.

The signs were all professionally produced so money would have to be spent on them.

I wonder who paid for them?

One of the signs said 'Dont believe media lies'

It would be interesting to know which information source the ant vaxxers rely on.

Piers Corbyn and his weirdo friends probably. 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Congratulations Whitey, that's some achievement. Hope you and your wife have a lovely day. 

Thanks.
 

We’re having our daughter and family for lunch. It makes a change from roast lamb

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Thanks.
 

We’re having our daughter and family for lunch. It makes a change from roast lamb

Congratulations mate. 

[badgerx16]

9 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I can sort of understand their own reluctance to get vaccinated even if I do think they are being stupid but why do they think that they can try to persuade others not to have the jab? If they want the freedom to choose not to have it then others must also be free to choose for themselves.

Some of them believe that you can 'catch' the vaccine by being in proximity to a vaccinated person, and so get inocculated by proxy. This why some of them are arranging 'vaccine free" hotels, holidays, and travel, and also 'vaccine free' blood banks.

[whelk]

[Lighthouse]

8 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That’s the story of my life.

And incidentally it’s our 51st wedding anniversary today  🎂

About 40 seconds in. 😉

[Picard]

8 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That’s the story of my life.

And incidentally it’s our 51st wedding anniversary today  🎂

Congratulations! Did you tell us about your 50th last year?

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

Congratulations mate. 

Many thanks.

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

About 40 seconds in. 😉

I couldn’t possibly comment

50 minutes ago, Picard said:

Congratulations! Did you tell us about your 50th last year?

Thanks, I don’t know if I did at the time. We’ve actually been together since we first met when we were both sixteen and that was in 1966. What a great year that was

Fifty five years that have gone by in the blinking of an eye and I wouldn’t have had it any other way. Well you never know who reads these things 😳

[whelk]

Is this true?

 

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

Is this true?

 

I heard someone on the BBC earlier saying that only 1% of deaths were people who had been fully vaccinated, so slightly higher than that tweet. I guess now that 90% of adults are fully vaccinated, that death percentage has crept up to one whole percent.

[Whitey Grandad]

57 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I heard someone on the BBC earlier saying that only 1% of deaths were people who had been fully vaccinated, so slightly higher than that tweet. I guess now that 90% of adults are fully vaccinated, that death percentage has crept up to one whole percent.

At the current rate of infections surely we must be starting to reach some sort of group immunity. There are around a million cases a month predominantly amongst the unvaccinated. Unless the figures for the population of the UK are grossly underestimated of course.

[buctootim]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

I heard someone on the BBC earlier saying that only 1% of deaths were people who had been fully vaccinated, so slightly higher than that tweet. I guess now that 90% of adults are fully vaccinated, that death percentage has crept up to one whole percent.

....and the majority of those 256 will have been immuno compromised patients whose bodies weren't able to trigger a response to the vaccine  

[buctootim]

9 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

At the current rate of infections surely we must be starting to reach some sort of group immunity. There are around a million cases a month predominantly amongst the unvaccinated. Unless the figures for the population of the UK are grossly underestimated of course.

The problem is that the immunity doesn't seem to last long 

[Weston Super Saint]

Presumably these are the same 'modellers' that predicted 100k infections by mid August.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58566235

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The Sage committee said its modelling suggested hospitalisations could reach 2,000 to 7,000 per day next month - currently there are just over 750.

They certainly know how to hedge their bets with that range!

Pretty much covered all of the covid bingo buzz words in that article, the only thing I can see missing is the mention of a new, 'far more transmissable, probably more deadly' strain of virus.

There's only one way out of this and that's vaccinations, what happened to that mantra?  89% of the adult population have had one jab and 82% have had 2 jabs and we're still talking about possible lockdowns (or certainly some half arsed botched version commonly known as the tiers that were useless).

My guess is that the Government committed to buying millions of doses more than we actually needed and rather than donate them to countries who can't afford to buy their own, we're pressing on full steam to use them up, with this being the start of the scare mongering to get everyone to have their 'booster' jab....

[egg]

15 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Presumably these are the same 'modellers' that predicted 100k infections by mid August.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58566235

They certainly know how to hedge their bets with that range!

Pretty much covered all of the covid bingo buzz words in that article, the only thing I can see missing is the mention of a new, 'far more transmissable, probably more deadly' strain of virus.

There's only one way out of this and that's vaccinations, what happened to that mantra?  89% of the adult population have had one jab and 82% have had 2 jabs and we're still talking about possible lockdowns (or certainly some half arsed botched version commonly known as the tiers that were useless).

My guess is that the Government committed to buying millions of doses more than we actually needed and rather than donate them to countries who can't afford to buy their own, we're pressing on full steam to use them up, with this being the start of the scare mongering to get everyone to have their 'booster' jab....

What's your issue with people getting a booster jab? 

[Weston Super Saint]

11 minutes ago, egg said:

What's your issue with people getting a booster jab? 

None.

My issue is with the constantly moving goal posts.  Get two jabs was the previous message to protect society.  Kids don't need the jab because they just aren't affected to any great degree by the virus, was the previous message.  Society will go back to normal once everyone has two jabs was the previous message.  The process is irreversible was the previous message (although I'm happy to accept that was merely grandstanding from Boris making promises he couldn't keep).  We won't be introducing vaccine passports was the previous message.

Now we're being told that booster jabs are the way out.

Like I said, the figures don't add up with what is actually being reported and the modellers have been way off the mark at pretty much every stage.  If we've committed to paying for millions of vaccines that we don't need, donate them to countries that don't have them and where the virus is much more likely to spread and therefore mutate, which would be far more effective at reducing the chance of a 'new variant' rather than planning for the arrival of one....

[Jeremy Corbyn]

14 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

None.

My issue is with the constantly moving goal posts.  Get two jabs was the previous message to protect society.  Kids don't need the jab because they just aren't affected to any great degree by the virus, was the previous message.  Society will go back to normal once everyone has two jabs was the previous message.  The process is irreversible was the previous message (although I'm happy to accept that was merely grandstanding from Boris making promises he couldn't keep).  We won't be introducing vaccine passports was the previous message.

Now we're being told that booster jabs are the way out.

Like I said, the figures don't add up with what is actually being reported and the modellers have been way off the mark at pretty much every stage.  If we've committed to paying for millions of vaccines that we don't need, donate them to countries that don't have them and where the virus is much more likely to spread and therefore mutate, which would be far more effective at reducing the chance of a 'new variant' rather than planning for the arrival of one....

Surely the understand that things change in life?  Especially during the first pandemic in anyone's lifetime.

[egg]

17 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Surely the understand that things change in life?  Especially during the first pandemic in anyone's lifetime.

Exactly. It's a constantly changing situation. Cases were increasing before the schools went back so we can see where that's going. Autumn is all but here, many people's immunity is down as they've been slathering anti bac over themselves and living in bubbles so flu will be a bigger issue than it normally is. If doing nothing ain't the answer, and everyone agrees that lockdown shouldn't be the answer, then a booster jab feels like the obvious answer. I'm not persuaded by jabbing kids though as everything I've read says that jabbed and unjabbed people carry the same viral load anyway. 

Regardless, I'll carry on living a normal life. Work today, iow festival from tomorrow staying in a shared house, hugging and kissing etc. I'll have a flu jab next week, and take the booster if it's offered. 

What I don't get is people getting hot and bothered by the issue. Get on with life and either take the booster or don't if you're offered. I especially don't understand whingeing about the issue if you don't have an issue with the booster, seems a bit futile. 

[The Kraken]

Boosters were always likely. It was often said that we’ll likely never beat COVID but that it will be minimised like we do with flu and an annual injection.

Of course the goalposts are constantly moving. It’s an ever changing and adapting virus.

[Sheaf Saint]

4 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Boosters were always likely. It was often said that we’ll likely never beat COVID but that it will be minimised like we do with flu and an annual injection.

Of course the goalposts are constantly moving. It’s an ever changing and adapting virus.

Exactly. I'm usually the first in line to criticise Boris' government, but you can't blame them for not knowing 6 months ago how long the immunity from the vaccine would last.

If the choice ahead of us is booster jabs or more lockdowns, I can't see how anybody would willingly choose the latter. It's an absolute no-brainer.

[trousers]

2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

My issue is with the constantly moving goal posts

It's almost as if we're having to work out the best way to deal with this new virus as we go along when jumping 5 years forward in a DeLorean would surely be the better option... 

[Whitey Grandad]

What would the point of a lockdown be? So what if the infections run riot through the schools. So much the better. A fixation on the numbers of cases alone is a meaningless obsession unless the distribution of those cases is also considered. 
 

All that any attempts at suppression will do is spread this pandemic out for longer.

[Fan The Flames]

21 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

What would the point of a lockdown be? So what if the infections run riot through the schools. So much the better. A fixation on the numbers of cases alone is a meaningless obsession unless the distribution of those cases is also considered. 
 

All that any attempts at suppression will do is spread this pandemic out for longer.

That of course is the idea, to control the numbers of people in hospital to a manageable level. We seem a long way off lockdown at the moment. 

[Fan The Flames]

I see some freedom loving Tories heckled Javid when he mentioned masks.

[Whitey Grandad]

17 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

I see some freedom loving Tories heckled Javid when he mentioned masks.

There are some Tories whose looks would be improved by wearing a medical mask.

[aintforever]

23 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

I see some freedom loving Tories heckled Javid when he mentioned masks.

It's those bell-ends who delayed the use of masks in the first wave.