Coronavirus

[Plastic]

My father in law is a bit overweight. According to this thread, if he gets Covid and dies it serves him right cause he's a fat old c**t. 

I'll tell him next time I see him.

[Turkish]

  On 17/02/2021 at 16:01, Plastic said:

My father in law is a bit overweight. According to this thread, if he gets Covid and dies it serves him right cause he's a fat old c**t. 

I'll tell him next time I see him.

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Except no one has said that. 

[Lighthouse]

  On 17/02/2021 at 07:40, whelk said:

Deleted posts?

South African variant found in Upper Shirley. Obviously need to have a boundary but feels a little woolly in huge urban area.

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I’ve not deleted you’ve posted. A bunch of stuff got moved to the muppet show but that was mainly Tim and Weston playing, "you’re thick as pig sh*t," tennis.

[Plastic]

  On 17/02/2021 at 16:03, Turkish said:

Except no one has said that. 

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Is it not the fat c**t's fault then? Who's fault is it? I need to know so I can point fingers 👍

 

[whelk]

  On 17/02/2021 at 16:10, Lighthouse said:

I’ve not deleted you’ve posted. A bunch of stuff got moved to the muppet show but that was mainly Tim and Weston playing, "you’re thick as pig sh*t," tennis.

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I guess Tim won?

[whelk]

  On 17/02/2021 at 16:32, Plastic said:

Is it not the fat c**t's fault then? Who's fault is it? I need to know so I can point fingers 👍

 

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If you get fat you increase health risks. Never more stark with Covid pandemic.

that doesn’t mean no one has sympathy but there are solutions for most people that are not complicated.

[whelk]

  On 17/02/2021 at 14:04, Turkish said:

i'm afraid you cant.

Heinz Admits Its 'No Added Sugar' Beans Aren't Suitable For Vegans (plantbasednews.org)

 

 

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I said beans but of course meant lentils. 

[Lighthouse]

  On 17/02/2021 at 16:46, whelk said:

I guess Tim won?

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I think ‘winning’ is a relative term when two strangers are calling each other porcine excrement on the internet but there we go.

[buctootim]

  On 17/02/2021 at 17:05, Lighthouse said:

I think ‘winning’ is a relative term when two strangers are calling each other porcine excrement on the internet but there we go.

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It's what Tim Berners-Lee would've wanted. 

[Lighthouse]

  On 17/02/2021 at 19:39, buctootim said:

It's what Tim Berners-Lee would've wanted. 

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I wonder if he ever envisaged the truly gargantuan levels of pornography that his invention would lead to.

[Turkish]

  On 17/02/2021 at 16:32, Plastic said:

Is it not the fat c**t's fault then? Who's fault is it? I need to know so I can point fingers 👍

 

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If you think that people pointing out obesity is a major factor in hospitalisation due to covid as blaming fat people for covid then i'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. 

[whelk]

  On 17/02/2021 at 21:49, Lighthouse said:

I wonder if he ever envisaged the truly gargantuan levels of pornography that his invention would lead to.

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Aye kids today have no excuses, We were largely limited to mag pics of bush and then work out what was what down there in a live environment.

[Plastic]

  On 18/02/2021 at 10:35, Turkish said:

If you think that people pointing out obesity is a major factor in hospitalisation due to covid as blaming fat people for covid then i'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. 

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Well now I'm disappointed then. I prefer your other persona!

  On 15/02/2021 at 19:33, Turkish said:

If COVID doesn’t stop the glutenous cunts shoving cake down their throats nothing will

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[Turkish]

  On 18/02/2021 at 12:39, Plastic said:

Well now I'm disappointed then. I prefer your other persona!

 

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What’s your point? It’s obvious being fat is unhealthy, if someone told you’re going to die if you don’t lose weight would you do it or ignore it? That doesn’t mean it’s their fault if they catch it but they can do something to reduce the risk of serious complications. It really isn’t that difficult to understand 

[Lighthouse]

Lockdown in NI extended until 1st April which seems a bit mental if I’m being honest. Deaths and admissions are now around 1/4 the levels they were at the peak a month ago so another six weeks like this seems a little draconian.

[The Cat]

  On 18/02/2021 at 13:00, Turkish said:

What’s your point? It’s obvious being fat is unhealthy, if someone told you’re going to die if you don’t lose weight would you do it or ignore it? That doesn’t mean it’s their fault if they catch it but they can do something to reduce the risk of serious complications. It really isn’t that difficult to understand 

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The doctor who writes in Private Eye has been saying this pretty much since the start of the virus. Eat healthily, take vitamin D supplements, exercise. Doing all these will help if you do catch Covid. 

He also said there have been 4000 variants so far. We are at the forefront of discovering new strains which should, the terrible track and trace fiasco aside, allow us to identify and shut down any dangerous ones reasonably quickly. 

[rallyboy]

I'm off my face on Pfizer!

Two days in, no effects.

[RedArmy]

 

[bpsaint]

  On 16/02/2021 at 14:22, Turkish said:

Because it's too simple for people to believe it. Like most things there is a lot of bull shit out there which makes people think they need all these complex diets, fitness programs or machines and bollocks like intermittant fasting, promoted by people trying to sell you something. Eat less and go for a walk every day, that's all people need to do.

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Whilst there are some genuine metabolism issues that cause weight gain your post is bang on. I lost over 3 stone in 2020 by just changing my diet. I cut my portion size down and tried to stick to a rough calorie goal each day. Didn’t have to stop eating treats - if I wanted chocolate I’d eat a freddo or couple of squares of dairy milk, not a whole bar. Wanted a biscuit, I’d have one or two, not a whole pack. Fill yourself up with things like fruit and vegetables and you never really get hungry. I would have one cheat day a month so I’d have something to look forward to and not go crazy!

Quite enjoy the look on people’s  faces when they ask what diet I’d been on and I explained it’s called the not being a greedy cunt diet. It’s a complete waste of time implementing sugar taxes, or banning multi buy offers on unhealthy food when the government should just come out and say eat less you greedy fat twats.

Edited 18 February, 2021 by bpsaint

[skintsaint]

  On 18/02/2021 at 23:48, bpsaint said:

Whilst there are some genuine metabolism issues that cause weight gain your post is bang on. I lost over 3 stone in 2020 by just changing my diet. I cut my portion size down and tried to stick to a rough calorie goal each day. Didn’t have to stop eating treats - if I wanted chocolate I’d eat a freddo or couple of squares of dairy milk, not a whole bar. Wanted a biscuit, I’d have one or two, not a whole pack. Fill yourself up with things like fruit and vegetables and you never really get hungry. I would have one cheat day a month so I’d have something to look forward to and not go crazy!

Quite enjoy the look on people’s  faces when they ask what diet I’d been on and I explained it’s called the not being a greedy cunt diet. It’s a complete waste of time implementing sugar taxes, or banning multi buy offers on unhealthy food when the government should just come out and say eat less you greedy fat twats.

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Similar situation to me, cut down on eating crap, portion sizes made small and took up golf and walking the course...10 kilos down already.

Anyway....

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-02-19/covid-19-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-viral-load-drops-first-dose/13156116

Positive news coming out from Israel ..

Edited 19 February, 2021 by skintsaint

[Turkish]

More panic about the Finland variant I see. This has been labeled a super variant despite only one case being found in the world. Jesus wept.

[Lighthouse]

  On 20/02/2021 at 11:29, Turkish said:

More panic about the Finland variant I see. This has been labeled a super variant despite only one case being found in the world. Jesus wept.

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We’ve got months, possibly years if this to look forward too. The viruses will mutate, we will come up with vaccines for the deadlier and more infectious variants and eventually we’ll end up with something benign that nobody is really bothered about.

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 20/02/2021 at 11:29, Turkish said:

More panic about the Finland variant I see. This has been labeled a super variant despite only one case being found in the world. Jesus wept.

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It's fascinating that we always hear about these new variants when people start demanding an end to lockdown - or previously to convince everyone that the lockdown was needed.

[Turkish]

  On 20/02/2021 at 12:07, Lighthouse said:

We’ve got months, possibly years if this to look forward too. The viruses will mutate, we will come up with vaccines for the deadlier and more infectious variants and eventually we’ll end up with something benign that nobody is really bothered about.

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Then there will be widespread panic about other viruses more deadly than COVID detected in Mozambique or Tahiti or Ecuador or Belarus that are spreading more aggressively and we all all going to die

[Lighthouse]

  On 20/02/2021 at 12:23, Weston Super Saint said:

It's fascinating that we always hear about these new variants when people start demanding an end to lockdown - or previously to convince everyone that the lockdown was needed.

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Given that both have been going on continuously for months and there’s no reason to link them - no it isn’t fascinating.

[Lighthouse]

Who’s Amy?

[The Cat]

8th March for schools and some other restrictions released.

Too soon? Should they stagger school returns rather than spam all the kids back on the same day?

This screwed us over before when they all went back, I wonder if it will happen again or will cases continue to drop because of the number of vaccines and the fact spring is nearly here and the weather is getting warmer. 

The government must be very confident this won't lead to a rise in cases because it could undo some of the good work they've done with the vaccine. 

 

[Weston Super Saint]

I wouldn't worry too much.

They will only 'all' be back for a couple of days.  As soon as a kid in a year group tests positive, they'll send the whole year out for two weeks like they did the last time.

Not sure what the reasoning will be this time though.  Last time it was to protect the grand parents, but they've all been jabbed now...

[buctootim]

  On 22/02/2021 at 07:23, The Cat said:

8th March for schools and some other restrictions released.

Too soon? Should they stagger school returns rather than spam all the kids back on the same day?

This screwed us over before when they all went back, I wonder if it will happen again or will cases continue to drop because of the number of vaccines and the fact spring is nearly here and the weather is getting warmer. 

The government must be very confident this won't lead to a rise in cases because it could undo some of the good work they've done with the vaccine. 

 

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My daughters school has never stopped. They have been operating with just about half of the kids at school throughout the lockdown. No idea how or why tbh. When they have had a case both now and before lockdown they simply excluded the kid and their close contacts. They have only had one case of an infection being caught at school, so it’s been working. Maybe they’ve just been very lucky, but their case shows it’s possible 

[Turkish]

  On 20/02/2021 at 16:44, Lighthouse said:

Who’s Amy?

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Wait outside turnstile A before a game and you just might find out.......

[Lighthouse]

The number of people in hospitals is dropping by around 1,000 per day and is currently around 15,000-16,000. If we stay like this for another two weeks, deaths and hospitalisation should be very low. I think we’re now in a position to reopen outdoor sports clubs to allow people to get out and exercise socially.

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 22/02/2021 at 10:32, Turkish said:

Wait outside turnstile A before a game and you just might find out.......

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Is there one for every turnstile? And what do they call the one outside turnstile F ?

[The Cat]

  On 22/02/2021 at 10:42, Lighthouse said:

The number of people in hospitals is dropping by around 1,000 per day and is currently around 15,000-16,000. If we stay like this for another two weeks, deaths and hospitalisation should be very low. I think we’re now in a position to reopen outdoor sports clubs to allow people to get out and exercise socially.

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Definitely need to reopen outdoor sports. All the data shows that the chances of catching in there are pretty much zero.

Get the kids out playing sport again asap.

[mickn]

  On 22/02/2021 at 10:54, Whitey Grandad said:

Is there one for every turnstile? And what do they call the one outside turnstile F ?

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Fanny

[ecuk268]

A simple question.

If Hancock was ruled to have acted unlawfully by giving a large contract to one of his mates who had no experience, why isn't he hauled into court?

If I drive through Southampton at 70mph, I'm acting unlawfully and would end up before the magistrates.. 

Why are ministers let off?

[buctootim]

  On 22/02/2021 at 12:07, ecuk268 said:

A simple question.

If Hancock was ruled to have acted unlawfully by giving a large contract to one of his mates who had no experience, why isn't he hauled into court?

If I drive through Southampton at 70mph, I'm acting unlawfully and would end up before the magistrates.. 

Why are ministers let off?

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Because they can end the careers of senior prosecutors and police chiefs? 

[badgerx16]

  On 22/02/2021 at 07:30, Weston Super Saint said:

Last time it was to protect the grand parents, but they've all been jabbed now...

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So now they are vaccinating the mid 30s in Pompey ?

[benjii]

  On 22/02/2021 at 12:07, ecuk268 said:

A simple question.

If Hancock was ruled to have acted unlawfully by giving a large contract to one of his mates who had no experience, why isn't he hauled into court?

If I drive through Southampton at 70mph, I'm acting unlawfully and would end up before the magistrates.. 

Why are ministers let off?

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Because procurement law is not criminal law. 

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 22/02/2021 at 12:07, ecuk268 said:

A simple question.

If Hancock was ruled to have acted unlawfully by giving a large contract to one of his mates who had no experience, why isn't he hauled into court?

If I drive through Southampton at 70mph, I'm acting unlawfully and would end up before the magistrates.. 

Why are ministers let off?

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I don't think he 'handed the contract to one of his mates'.

From what I've read, the person in question sent him a whatsapp, Hancock then pointed him in the direction of the website that every company was freely able to submit their details on.  I seem to recall a TV advert asking business owners to do just that.

Not sure what the 'no experience' is meant to mean.  The guy owns a packaging firm that was making plastic packaging for caterers.  They changed their processes and now make plastic medical vials (used in covid testing) and plastic funnels, it doesn't seem like advanced rocketry.

How has Hancock acted unlawfully there - or are you getting that mixed up with the fact that his department did not produce the required 'transparency' paperwork within the timescale but were about 2 weeks late, focussing on other things as a priotity during a global pandemic?  If it's the latter, then he's banged to rights and should be serving 20 years at least for such an heinous crime!

[Turkish]

  On 22/02/2021 at 12:07, ecuk268 said:

A simple question.

If Hancock was ruled to have acted unlawfully by giving a large contract to one of his mates who had no experience, why isn't he hauled into court?

If I drive through Southampton at 70mph, I'm acting unlawfully and would end up before the magistrates.. 

Why are ministers let off?

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I dont believe it is true. Hancock wont have any mates. 

[ecuk268]

  On 22/02/2021 at 14:30, Weston Super Saint said:

I don't think he 'handed the contract to one of his mates'.

From what I've read, the person in question sent him a whatsapp, Hancock then pointed him in the direction of the website that every company was freely able to submit their details on.  I seem to recall a TV advert asking business owners to do just that.

Not sure what the 'no experience' is meant to mean.  The guy owns a packaging firm that was making plastic packaging for caterers.  They changed their processes and now make plastic medical vials (used in covid testing) and plastic funnels, it doesn't seem like advanced rocketry.

How has Hancock acted unlawfully there - or are you getting that mixed up with the fact that his department did not produce the required 'transparency' paperwork within the timescale but were about 2 weeks late, focussing on other things as a priotity during a global pandemic?  If it's the latter, then he's banged to rights and should be serving 20 years at least for such an heinous crime!

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He acted unlawfully because a High Court Judge said so and he was certainly friends with Hancock and was awarded the contract by his department without going out to tender.

The company is now under investigation by the MHRA for concerns about hygiene and safety.

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 22/02/2021 at 15:41, ecuk268 said:

He acted unlawfully because a High Court Judge said so and he was certainly friends with Hancock and was awarded the contract by his department without going out to tender.

The company is now under investigation by the MHRA for concerns about hygiene and safety.

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Ah, I see, so you are combining two seperate events and coming up with your own answers.

The Department of Health / Government was judged to have broken the law by failing to publish contract awards within 30 days, not because Matt Hancock 'handed a contract to his mate'.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-governments-failure-to-publish-covid-contracts-details-was-unlawful-high-court-rules-12222826 

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The government unlawfully failed to publish details of coronavirus-related contracts worth billions, the High Court has ruled.

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Although as the Senior Minister, Matt Hancock will have accountability for that error.

Still, why let the truth get in the way of a bit of mud slinging eh?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/26/matt-hancock-former-neighbour-won-covid-test-kit-contract-after-whatsapp-message

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Asked whether Hinpack received any preferential treatment because of Bourne’s contacts with the health secretary, a DHSC spokesperson said it had not: “There is no evidence to support these claims. As the National Audit Office report has made clear, ministers are not involved in procurement decisions or contract management and to suggest otherwise is wholly inaccurate.”

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You have managed to get one thing right though.  Hinpack is indeed the subject of an investigation by the MHRA, although it would be way too early to draw any conclusions yet....

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/matt-hancock-alex-bourne-nhs-covid-probe-test-tubes-b920674.html

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In a statement, the MHRA confirmed that they were investigating Mr Bourne’s company.

Graeme Tunbridge, director of devices at the MHRA told The Evening Standard: “We take all reports of non-compliance very seriously.

“We are currently investigating allegations about Hinpack and will take appropriate action as necessary. Patient safety is our top priority.”

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[Whitey Grandad]

  On 22/02/2021 at 15:07, Turkish said:

I dont believe it is true. Hancock wont have any mates. 

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He could buy some

[ecuk268]

  On 22/02/2021 at 16:08, Weston Super Saint said:

Although as the Senior Minister, Matt Hancock will have accountability for that error.

So you agree that he acted unlawfully as he was in charge and the buck stops with him?

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[Weston Super Saint]

  On 22/02/2021 at 16:50, ecuk268 said:

 

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I've never disagreed that the department he is in charge of acted unlawfully.

I've disagreed with the accusation you made about how the law was broken, but not that it was.  In fact I even said this in my first post :

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are you getting that mixed up with the fact that his department did not produce the required 'transparency' paperwork within the timescale but were about 2 weeks late, focussing on other things as a priotity during a global pandemic?  If it's the latter, then he's banged to rights and should be serving 20 years at least for such an heinous crime!

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[ecuk268]

  On 22/02/2021 at 18:10, Weston Super Saint said:

I've never disagreed that the department he is in charge of acted unlawfully.

I've disagreed with the accusation you made about how the law was broken, but not that it was.  In fact I even said this in my first post :

 

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You said "How has Hancock acted unlawfully there" which implies that you think that he didn't.

So, as head of the department, did he act unlawfully? If a private company breaks the law, the managing director ends up in court and can be convicted.

How is this different?

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 22/02/2021 at 19:06, ecuk268 said:

You said "How has Hancock acted unlawfully there" which implies that you think that he didn't.

So, as head of the department, did he act unlawfully? If a private company breaks the law, the managing director ends up in court and can be convicted.

How is this different?

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Jesus wept!

You asked (hopefully you'll remember this bit) :

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If Hancock was ruled to have acted unlawfully by giving a large contract to one of his mates who had no experience, why isn't he hauled into court?

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I then wrote a number of sentences outlining what had actually happened and that he didn't, in fact, hand a large contract to one of his mates - at that point I asked how has Hancock acted unlawfully there.  I then pointed out that you appear to have confused that with the actual court case which had absolutely nothing to do with him or anyone else handing out contracts, but everything to do with not reporting what was handed out in the prescribed time limit.

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If a private company breaks the law, the managing director ends up in court and can be convicted.

How is this different?

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As Benji has already pointed out, this is NOT criminal law.  So far, all the court has done is pass a judgement that a law has not been adhered to, but has acknowledged that the information that was required to be published, has been published, albeit later than it should have been.

You may be struggling with the concept of law but unless it is a criminal case even a Managing Director wouldn't end up in court unless someone takes out a civil suit against them - usually this will happen in order for the injured party to receive recompense for the wrong doing.  

In this case, the 'civil litigation' was started by the Good Law Project.  The case has been heard and the judge has stated that the law wasn't followed to the letter, but that he also understood the reason for the delay.  That's it, end of case, end of judicial review, slap on the wrist for the Health Department.  No-one is going to be hung, drawn and quartered.

[Weston Super Saint]

Nobody has asked the most important question yet. What colour will the vaccine passports be?

[whelk]

They should just initial everyone’s forehead with the letter of the two vaccines they have had.

Anyone with a blank forehead can fuck off and be excluded from everything 

[Lighthouse]

327 deaths on 19th Feb (the most recent complete data) and dropping by roughly 30 per day. At that rate it’ll be zero by 1st March, in theory. In reality, it’ll be interesting to see what level deaths actually plateau at and how the government reacts to it. It’ll be a hard sell keeping businesses closed for another month if we’re down to single figure deaths.