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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:19, aintforever said:

For a government getting slated for taking the piss out of COVID restrictions, surely there couldn’t be a worse diversionary tactic than putting more restrictions on the general public?

 

 

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Takes the discussion away from that so it's got diversion written all over it for me. 

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egg

egg

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:24, Lord Duckhunter said:

How does imposing restrictions take the discussion away from breaking restrictions? 
 

 

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Because these are different (new) restrictions and give people something else to discuss. 

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Turkish

Turkish

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:26, Lighthouse said:

Bingo. I see a lot of people who are clearly anything but distracted saying, "this is a distraction!"

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Have you seen the headlines & lead stories of most media outlets today. What do you think they will be tomorrow? Spoiler alert, probably something to do with new restrictions, not christmas parties in downing street. That's kind of how these things work.

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aintforever

aintforever

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:22, egg said:

Takes the discussion away from that so it's got diversion written all over it for me. 

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Did you watch the press conference? It’s the same subject, the main theme of the questioning was what effect their partying would have on the public’s compliance with new restrictions.

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:32, aintforever said:

Did you watch the press conference? It’s the same subject, the main theme of the questioning was what effect their partying would have on the public’s compliance with new restrictions.

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Yep, great that they aren't letting them off the hook, but tomorrows headlines wont be about christmas parties in Downing Street will they, which is exactly what they want.

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egg

egg

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:32, aintforever said:

Did you watch the press conference? It’s the same subject, the main theme of the questioning was what effect their partying would have on the public’s compliance with new restrictions.

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Todays restrictions are exactly that. Last year's breaches are exactly that. Of course the two overlap, but I think you have to be rather naive to think that the intention and timing of this announcement was not to some extent motivated by a wish to create a diversion. Whether that works is another matter, but I'm quite clear that was part of the motivation. Others can disagree, umpteen pages of you're wrong / I'm right ain't going to change my view, and doubtless yours, ducks, Lighthouse, etc 

egg

egg

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:33, Lighthouse said:

Storm Barra is a distraction from JWP's awful cross-field pass. Doesn't mean anyone is going to just forget about it.

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Who said they would? 

A shit attempt at deflection doesn't alter the intent. 

aintforever

aintforever

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:36, egg said:

Todays restrictions are exactly that. Last year's breaches are exactly that. Of course the two overlap, but I think you have to be rather naive to think that the intention and timing of this announcement was not to some extent motivated by a wish to create a diversion. Whether that works is another matter, but I'm quite clear that was part of the motivation. Others can disagree, umpteen pages of you're wrong / I'm right ain't going to change my view, and doubtless yours, ducks, Lighthouse, etc 

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These restrictions will cost the economy a fortune, I hate Johnson as much as the next guy but not even I think he would impose them as some bizarre plan to change a couple of day’s headlines.

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:40, aintforever said:

These restrictions will cost the economy a fortune, I hate Johnson as much as the next guy but not even I think he would impose them as some bizarre plan to change a couple of day’s headlines.

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why will it cost the economy a fortune?

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:37, egg said:

Who said they would? 

A shit attempt at deflection doesn't alter the intent. 

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It's so sh*t that it was clearly only ever going to look lame and cynical. Boris and his spin doctors would have known that and if anything I'd say it's somewhat unfortunate for them. Given choice they probably would have preferred to wait until next week so it DOESN'T look like a sh*te attempt at a diversion.

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:44, Lighthouse said:

It's so sh*t that it was clearly only ever going to look lame and cynical. Boris and his spin doctors would have known that and if anything I'd say it's somewhat unfortunate for them. Given choice they probably would have preferred to wait until next week so it DOESN'T look like a sh*te attempt at a diversion.

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They did have a choice, even his own party were saying to wait for more data. But no, Boris wanted to push on with his hastily arranged press conference. 

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egg

egg

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:40, aintforever said:

These restrictions will cost the economy a fortune, I hate Johnson as much as the next guy but not even I think he would impose them as some bizarre plan to change a couple of day’s headlines.

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Really? He'd sacrifice anything or anyone to save his ass. 

Agreed re the economy impact. Its the panic that it'll cause amongst many - I've had messages cancelling 2 Xmas parties this evening. No covid cases, no restrictions, just an injection of doubt. Shame for people happy to crack on with life, and awful for the restaurants and supply chain. 

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Turkish

Turkish

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:49, aintforever said:

I know this is typical exaggerated Daily Fail crap but there will be a cost:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10287979/New-Covid-restrictions-cost-UK-economy-4bn-month.html

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Funny how people quote "the Daily Fail" when it suits then but when it doesn't it's right wing, racist, scaremongering scum paper

 

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Baird of the land

Baird of the land

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  On 08/12/2021 at 15:42, revolution saint said:

It's not really madness though, is it?  It's potentially saving lives.  Seems to me to be perfect sense to take some precautionary measures until we know whether this strain is as dangerous (or more) than delta.  There isn't enough data yet to know whether it is or not but there is enough data to suggest it's more transmissible. Really depends on what restrictions they impose, for how long and what they hope to achieve by them.  Hopefully it is mild, or less severe but we haven't had it around long enough to know yet - something like only 6% of South Africa is over 65 so you wouldn't necessarily expect to see much severe disease over there anyway because of their age profile.

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Unless there’s a corresponding drop off in harm, the spike in transmissibility will surely  lead to more hospitalizations. Given nhs doctors have been pretty clear they are already struggling due to combination of winter/Covid/backlog that requires. Really this action should have come sooner. 

Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:40, aintforever said:

These restrictions will cost the economy a fortune, I hate Johnson as much as the next guy but not even I think he would impose them as some bizarre plan to change a couple of day’s headlines.

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It’s not his money. He would do anything to save his own skin.

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Turkish

Turkish

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:36, egg said:

Todays restrictions are exactly that. Last year's breaches are exactly that. Of course the two overlap, but I think you have to be rather naive to think that the intention and timing of this announcement was not to some extent motivated by a wish to create a diversion. Whether that works is another matter, but I'm quite clear that was part of the motivation. Others can disagree, umpteen pages of you're wrong / I'm right ain't going to change my view, and doubtless yours, ducks, Lighthouse, etc 

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It is aintclever you’re replying too. 

Fan The Flames

Fan The Flames

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  On 08/12/2021 at 19:29, Turkish said:

Have you seen the headlines & lead stories of most media outlets today. What do you think they will be tomorrow? Spoiler alert, probably something to do with new restrictions, not christmas parties in downing street. That's kind of how these things work.

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I don't think the party stories are going away just yet

https://news.sky.com/story/sundays-national-newspaper-front-pages-12427754

Turkish

Turkish

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So the guy Boris has assigned to check if what he’s saying is true to investigate  if the party happened was there himself. You can’t make this up 🤣🤣🤣

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egg

egg

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  On 09/12/2021 at 07:50, Turkish said:

So the guy Boris has assigned to check if what he’s saying is true to investigate  if the party happened was there himself. You can’t make this up 🤣🤣🤣

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It's mental isn't it. I'm not sure whether Boris is running on his own ideas, or he's being advised by idiots.

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 09/12/2021 at 10:42, trousers said:

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Who cares if the shagaholic adulterer fathers another sprog. He obviously isn't buying in to the concept of over-population, what makes him think his genes are so special ? As Jeremy Kyle would tell him " put something on the end of it".

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Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan

Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan

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  On 09/12/2021 at 11:09, badgerx16 said:

Who cares if the shagaholic adulterer fathers another sprog. He obviously isn't buying in to the concept of over-population, what makes him think his genes are so special ? As Jeremy Kyle would tell him " put something on the end of it".

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It seems the thing he is putting on the end of it is posh blondes with very little sense or taste in men...

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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  On 09/12/2021 at 12:57, Lord Duckhunter said:

They’re jumped the friggin shark now. 
 

 

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Further down that thread ; "I also understand only 3 ministers spoke in favour of Plan B now during Cabinet yesterday. One senior Tory MP just now: “I’m not having all our lives fucked up by these fucking halfwits again just to dig themselves out of their own fucking mess”. "

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saint1977

saint1977

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Although there’s clearly an element of distraction from Conservative implosion - and helpful timing for Murdoch with the Sienna Miller debacle - there are some very serious hospital capacity issues building up added to normal winter pressures. If Omicron lets rip, this is going to get messy. 

I’m 5 minutes from a fairly big hospital in an area battling hard to get booster numbers up, with lower 1st and vaccine numbers and ambulances have been queuing up to get in with emergency patients where the wards and the ICU is apparently full of unvaccinated patients with COVID complications (through contacts working there). There are social, educational and income divides on who is choosing to take vaccines, although not being an notably diverse area we don’t have the issues with lower take up that others do as an additional demand increasing factor. 

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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Funny how the Met managed to find enough evidence for 3 people to be fined by magistrates for attending parties elsewhere in London on the same evening as the "do" at number 10.

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spyinthesky

spyinthesky

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  On 09/12/2021 at 16:01, saint1977 said:

Although there’s clearly an element of distraction from Conservative implosion - and helpful timing for Murdoch with the Sienna Miller debacle - there are some very serious hospital capacity issues building up added to normal winter pressures. If Omicron lets rip, this is going to get messy. 

I’m 5 minutes from a fairly big hospital in an area battling hard to get booster numbers up, with lower 1st and vaccine numbers and ambulances have been queuing up to get in with emergency patients where the wards and the ICU is apparently full of unvaccinated patients with COVID complications (through contacts working there). There are social, educational and income divides on who is choosing to take vaccines, although not being an notably diverse area we don’t have the issues with lower take up that others do as an additional demand increasing factor. 

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I have a relative who works in a major hospital in the Midlands. She reckons the ICU in her hospital is full of the 'Unvaccinated and the Fat'...(her words)

badgerx16

badgerx16

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One way to deal with the unvaccinated might be to ask the Russians to supply doses of their Sputnik vaccine and get them to smear it on people's door handles.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 09/12/2021 at 18:03, The Cat said:

I tend to find that this vaccine scientist on twitter has the best information about covid. She updates regularly and cuts straight through the panic and agendas reported in the media.

Well worth a read. Here's her latest thread.

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1468985784338366468?t=9XqCzFH5aQURcfzAUSNbeQ&s=19

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Yeah, I've followed her. There is also a Dr on YouTube (Dr John Campbell) who is also very knowledge and offers really fair views I find.

In terms of where I sit at the moment, I've had two vaccinations and I'm not really keen on any form of booster. My story of vaccination has been quite a troublesome one.

1st Jab - woke up in the middle of the night, cold sweats, shaking from every part of my body. Felt like a seizure, but it wasn't. I then did faint and tests did reveal heart related spikes, which have gone now. So luckily I was ok, but it shook me up. I'm a fully fit, young guy with no underlying issues. Previous to my jab I'd just been given the seal of approval my by doctor for having a 'remarkable blood pressure'.

2nd Jab - Maybe I was daft going for the 2nd given my experience of the first, but I did. Sadly it was still a bit shit. They didn't aspirate correctly, it got caught in a vain when they took it out and blood went everywhere. Literally squirted. It didn't even seem like the guy knew what he was doing. Ruined a pair of jeans and left a nasty bruise/bump for weeks on my arm.

So I think I'm well within my right to steer well clear of any third jab. If that means I lose my job, I'll lose my job. If that means I get shut of of society then so be it. Given what happened to me on the first two I think people would appreciate my hesitancy.

The Cat

The Cat

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  On 09/12/2021 at 21:46, S-Clarke said:

Yeah, I've followed her. There is also a Dr on YouTube (Dr John Campbell) who is also very knowledge and offers really fair views I find.

In terms of where I sit at the moment, I've had two vaccinations and I'm not really keen on any form of booster. My story of vaccination has been quite a troublesome one.

1st Jab - woke up in the middle of the night, cold sweats, shaking from every part of my body. Felt like a seizure, but it wasn't. I then did faint and tests did reveal heart related spikes, which have gone now. So luckily I was ok, but it shook me up. I'm a fully fit, young guy with no underlying issues. Previous to my jab I'd just been given the seal of approval my by doctor for having a 'remarkable blood pressure'.

2nd Jab - Maybe I was daft going for the 2nd given my experience of the first, but I did. Sadly it was still a bit shit. They didn't aspirate correctly, it got caught in a vain when they took it out and blood went everywhere. Literally squirted. It didn't even seem like the guy knew what he was doing. Ruined a pair of jeans and left a nasty bruise/bump for weeks on my arm.

So I think I'm well within my right to steer well clear of any third jab. If that means I lose my job, I'll lose my job. If that means I get shut of of society then so be it. Given what happened to me on the first two I think people would appreciate my hesitancy.

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Crikey, that's not nice. No wonder you aren't interested in a booster with those experiences.

What vaccine did you have for the first two? I wonder if it would make any difference if you had a different one for the booster.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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  On 09/12/2021 at 18:03, The Cat said:

I tend to find that this vaccine scientist on twitter has the best information about covid. She updates regularly and cuts straight through the panic and agendas reported in the media.

Well worth a read. Here's her latest thread.

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1468985784338366468?t=9XqCzFH5aQURcfzAUSNbeQ&s=19

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Thanks for that Cat

  On 09/12/2021 at 21:46, S-Clarke said:

2nd Jab - Maybe I was daft going for the 2nd given my experience of the first, but I did. Sadly it was still a bit shit. They didn't aspirate correctly, it got caught in a vain when they took it out and blood went everywhere. Literally squirted. It didn't even seem like the guy knew what he was doing. Ruined a pair of jeans and left a nasty bruise/bump for weeks on my arm.

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I know he'll always wear a mask, but Michael Myers really shouldn't be giving out injections.

Ghastly experiences, and I'm glad you're okay.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 09/12/2021 at 21:57, The Cat said:

Crikey, that's not nice. No wonder you aren't interested in a booster with those experiences.

What vaccine did you have for the first two? I wonder if it would make any difference if you had a different one for the booster.

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I had the Astra-Zeneca for the first two, funnily enough just after my second they decided to stop giving it to my age range due to the complications!

So I'd probably have Pfizer for any booster, or moderna.

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Doctoroncall

Doctoroncall

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  On 10/12/2021 at 08:33, S-Clarke said:

I had the Astra-Zeneca for the first two, funnily enough just after my second they decided to stop giving it to my age range due to the complications!

So I'd probably have Pfizer for any booster, or moderna.

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You will have one of those for the booster.
 

Have a word with your GP about your experience and what to expect if you go for a booster. 

Trout-Tickler

Trout-Tickler

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  On 09/12/2021 at 21:46, S-Clarke said:

Yeah, I've followed her. There is also a Dr on YouTube (Dr John Campbell) who is also very knowledge and offers really fair views I find.

In terms of where I sit at the moment, I've had two vaccinations and I'm not really keen on any form of booster. My story of vaccination has been quite a troublesome one.

1st Jab - woke up in the middle of the night, cold sweats, shaking from every part of my body. Felt like a seizure, but it wasn't. I then did faint and tests did reveal heart related spikes, which have gone now. So luckily I was ok, but it shook me up. I'm a fully fit, young guy with no underlying issues. Previous to my jab I'd just been given the seal of approval my by doctor for having a 'remarkable blood pressure'.

2nd Jab - Maybe I was daft going for the 2nd given my experience of the first, but I did. Sadly it was still a bit shit. They didn't aspirate correctly, it got caught in a vain when they took it out and blood went everywhere. Literally squirted. It didn't even seem like the guy knew what he was doing. Ruined a pair of jeans and left a nasty bruise/bump for weeks on my arm.

So I think I'm well within my right to steer well clear of any third jab. If that means I lose my job, I'll lose my job. If that means I get shut of of society then so be it. Given what happened to me on the first two I think people would appreciate my hesitancy.

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Reminds me of the first time I went to give blood many moons ago. As I got to the door of the centre the doors swung open as an ambulance crew were carting out someone who'd collapsed after donating their pint. I was nervous before that but that just put the tin hat on it! Fortunately everything went well and I've donated many times since!

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 09/12/2021 at 21:46, S-Clarke said:

2nd Jab - Maybe I was daft going for the 2nd given my experience of the first, but I did. Sadly it was still a bit shit. They didn't aspirate correctly, it got caught in a vain when they took it out and blood went everywhere. Literally squirted. It didn't even seem like the guy knew what he was doing. Ruined a pair of jeans and left a nasty bruise/bump for weeks on my arm.

So I think I'm well within my right to steer well clear of any third jab. If that means I lose my job, I'll lose my job. If that means I get shut of of society then so be it. Given what happened to me on the first two I think people would appreciate my hesitancy.

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Blimey! That takes a special skill to find a vein up there. It's an intramuscular injection normally given in the upper arm.

My wife reacts to any inection and after each of her first two AZ ones whe felt a bit unusual for a couple of days but her third was a Pfizer and she had no reaction to that whatsoever.

Good luck with whatever you choose.

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