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spyinthesky

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On 11/04/2021 at 14:48, ecuk268 said:

When she goes, we should have King Harry and Queen Meghan, just to see the Daily Mail readership spontaneously combust.

The Mail would probably like Katie Price as our Monarch given the profile they give her on their media stream

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With Anne and Charles up front I don't see where the goals are going to come from, they probably went to finishing school but there's no pace.

Harry and William out wide makes sense but Peter Phillips in that holding role will have to go long ball and hope for the best.

Andrew won't be breaking sweat to create anything either. 

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Tamesaint

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1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

With Anne and Charles up front I don't see where the goals are going to come from, they probably went to finishing school but there's no pace.

Harry and William out wide makes sense but Peter Phillips in that holding role will have to go long ball and hope for the best.

Andrew won't be breaking sweat to create anything either. 

Fear not. Nobody will even try to get past Mike Tindall at the back unless they want their leg broken . With him at the centre of defence the Queen in goal won't be troubled.

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2 hours ago, rallyboy said:

With Anne and Charles up front I don't see where the goals are going to come from, they probably went to finishing school but there's no pace.

Harry and William out wide makes sense but Peter Phillips in that holding role will have to go long ball and hope for the best.

Andrew won't be breaking sweat to create anything either. 

The atmosphere is going to be deathly. Like Fratton for a league 1 game 

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3 hours ago, rallyboy said:

With Anne and Charles up front I don't see where the goals are going to come from, they probably went to finishing school but there's no pace.

Harry and William out wide makes sense but Peter Phillips in that holding role will have to go long ball and hope for the best.

Andrew won't be breaking sweat to create anything either. 

Youth team will be pretty quick though.

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Saint_clark

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29 minutes ago, Chapel End said:

Ĺoads at this funeral, any one else did they would be arrested 

Proper amount at the funeral itself isn't it? What happened outside the venue is essentially people just lining the street, whilst socially distanced, which would be allowed. 

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3 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Proper amount at the funeral itself isn't it? What happened outside the venue is essentially people just lining the street, whilst socially distanced, which would be allowed. 

It's people at work. Which, last I looked, is permitted under the regulations.

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Weston Super Saint

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Good news for Andrew, maybe they'll let him back into the family now....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59861831

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Virginia Giuffre agreed not to sue anyone connected to Jeffrey Epstein who could be described as a "potential defendant", a 2009 settlement of her Florida damages claim against the sex offender shows.

The prince's lawyers say this previously-secret 2009 deal means she cannot sue him

 

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badgerx16

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1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Pretty sure everyone has figured out that he did.  He just can't be sued for it....

Plenty of lawyers arguing to and fro over it at the moment. Is the 'agreement' viable in Federal or other State jusrisdictions, or is it limited to Florida ? Does it have value if alleged offences took place outside of US territory, as is claimed ?

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Weston Super Saint

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3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Plenty of lawyers arguing to and fro over it at the moment. Is the 'agreement' viable in Federal or other State jusrisdictions, or is it limited to Florida ? Does it have value if alleged offences took place outside of US territory, as is claimed ?

The full document is here

It specifically states :

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HEREBY remise, release, acquit, satisfy, and forever discharge the said Second Parties and any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant (“Other Potential Defendants”) from all, and all manner of, action and actions of Virginia Roberts, including State or Federal, cause and causes of action (common law or statutory), suits, debts, dues, sums of money, accounts, reckonings, bonds, bills, Giffure_email_002095 Case 1:21-cv-06702-LAK Document 32-1 Filed 10/29/21 Page 2 of 12 specialties, covenants, contracts, controversies, agreements, promises, variances, trespasses, damages, judgments, executions, claims, and demands whatsoever in law or in equity for compensatory or punitive damages that said First Parties ever had or now have, or that any personal representative, successor, heir, or assign of said First Parties hereafter can, shall, or may have, against Jeffrey Epstein, or Other Potential Defendants for, upon, or by reason of any matter, cause, or thing whatsoever (whether known or unknown), from the beginning of the world to the day of this release

Which would suggest it is viable in both state and federal and seems pretty much all encompassing!

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badgerx16

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11 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The full document is here

It specifically states :

Which would suggest it is viable in both state and federal and seems pretty much all encompassing!

As I said, plenty of lawyers currently arguing over it, so let's wait and see what the Judge says tomorrow.

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Of course they are, and getting richer by the minute as they do so. I assume any lawsuit would carry some burden of proof, or whatever passes for proof in US law, or would it potentially come down to he said she said and whoever the judge/jury believe. Prince Andrew will never be in the dock that's for sure, but his continued relationship with Epstein even after he was jailed for soliciting under-age girls alone has cost him dear. These people think they can so anything with impunity, but they were wrong. Andrew's reputation is in tatters as he spends his days moping around Windsor, and his pal ends up disgraced and murdered in a US jail (yes he was), also Maxwell is soon to be swapping ball gowns for prison overalls for many years.

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Fan The Flames

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18 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Good news for Andrew, maybe they'll let him back into the family now....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59861831

 

The point of having to be legally described as a 'potential defendant in a sexual offence case' isn't great for his or the RFs reputation and then to be one protected by gagging clause paid for by a convicted sex offender, compounds the issue. He is fucked if he wins on this point and fucked if it goes further.

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I can understand why an offender might demand that no one else is sued over the exact same offence, but surely you can't just issue random bits of paper that say you can't be charged with anything vaguely-related, ever?

And I thought Andrew had nothing to do with Epstein?

Now he wants to clarify how close he was to him...close enough to be covered by an admission of guilt in compensation form.

What a clusterfuck of a royal.

 

 

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Weston Super Saint

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2 hours ago, rallyboy said:

I can understand why an offender might demand that no one else is sued over the exact same offence, but surely you can't just issue random bits of paper that say you can't be charged with anything vaguely-related, ever?

And I thought Andrew had nothing to do with Epstein?

Now he wants to clarify how close he was to him...close enough to be covered by an admission of guilt in compensation form.

What a clusterfuck of a royal.

 

 

Definitely not guilty, m'lud - it says so in the 'document'

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is further agreed that this Settlement Agreement represents a final resolution of a disputed claim and is intended to avoid litigation. This Setttement Agreement shall not be construed to be an admission of liability or fault by any party

Although I suspect it has more to do with the 500,000 not so random bits of paper rather than this one random one as to why she cannot bring charges....

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One interesting comment from the Judge presiding over the dispute today;

"Judge Kaplan said that the wording could mean that both Epstein and Ms Giuffre had to jointly agree to whether or not the settlement could be used to release other potential defendants from facing court. "

 

He can't, and she won't.

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badgerx16

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7 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

I’d be quite happy for the lot of them to be lined up and beheaded. High time this country was a republic.

Bit harsh, just stop the Civil List, remove all privilege, and make them pay their way. The big issue is what to replace them with; elected Presidencies generate their own form of corruption, patronage, and croneyism. Which would you prefer, King Charles III or our own version of Donald Trump ?

 

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5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Bit harsh, just stop the Civil List, remove all privilege, and make them pay their way. The big issue is what to replace them with; elected Presidencies generate their own form of corruption, patronage, and croneyism. Which would you prefer, King Charles III or our own version of Donald Trump ?

 

Neither. Any other options?

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17 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Bit harsh, just stop the Civil List, remove all privilege, and make them pay their way. The big issue is what to replace them with; elected Presidencies generate their own form of corruption, patronage, and croneyism. Which would you prefer, King Charles III or our own version of Donald Trump ?

 

We don't need to replace them with anything.  We already have a democratically elected leader (OK I know the prime minister doesn't technically need to be an elected MP).  Thing is that even if we did decide to have an elected ceremonial figure as president - they wouldn't need to have any constitutional powers.  They can just be a figurehead if that's what people really want.  I don't see the need for it but the beauty is that we can replace them whenever we get tired of them.  We wouldn't have a Donald Trump because they wouldn't have any power (and you can argue we got our Trump with Boris anyway).

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20 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

We don't need to replace them with anything.  We already have a democratically elected leader (OK I know the prime minister doesn't technically need to be an elected MP).  Thing is that even if we did decide to have an elected ceremonial figure as president - they wouldn't need to have any constitutional powers.  They can just be a figurehead if that's what people really want.  I don't see the need for it but the beauty is that we can replace them whenever we get tired of them.  We wouldn't have a Donald Trump because they wouldn't have any power (and you can argue we got our Trump with Boris anyway).

Yep, what he said 👏

Hard to argue with President Micheal D Higgins in Ireland as an example. Purely a figurehead and beloved.

Why are Royalty and Despots the only choice?

 

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1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said:

I’d be quite happy for the lot of them to be lined up and beheaded. High time this country was a republic.

In the mean time you'd probably get away with chucking statues of them in the Thames.

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badgerx16

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9 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Why are Royalty and Despots the only choice?

They aren't, there are many variations on the theme, including religious theocracy ( Afghanistan ) and military junta ( Myanmar ). What would your alternative be to granting the Prime Minister absolute control over our ( unwritten ) constitution ? I assume you want the Lords to be dissolved as well - replaced by what ? Following the Bolshevik policies of 1918, or the French in 1793, only creates more problems. It is easier for countries like Australia and Barbados to declare themselves a republic as their Monarch was only ever at arms length, and their constitutional apparatus is a far more modern design than ours.

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