Che Adams

[Fan The Flames]

10 hours ago, captainchris said:

Agree... A few people wear rose tinted glasses after a win or a goal and lose perspective of the overall.... 

Chez missed two gilt edged chances today and that has been an issue for the team lately...

Chez is one footed and dog average unless you are comparing with Shef Utd who were totally inept.. 

You're a dog average poster, you can't spell a three letter name.

[WALK DMC]

Dull Sunday morning statistical fact:   Che has scored around 45% (4) of his 9 Saints' goals against Sheffield United.  It could be because they are his old club and he tries harder, maybe that they are a championship quality team or probably its just a statistical quirk - but it does seem a high figure across virtually 2 seasons. 

As a reminder his other goals were against Man City, Bournemouth, Chelsea, Everton & Newcastle. 

 

[qwertyell]

20 minutes ago, rooney said:

Ralph said he had been practising with Kelvin during training sessions.

Surprised he didn't try and finish everything at the near post then.

[verlaine1979]

1 hour ago, Give it to Ron said:

Why are we relying on him for goals next season?

Who said we would be?

But with Ings likely to leave and the club having previous for not always recruiting one for one when there are options in the squad already, I'm not ruling out that we might at least start next season with Adams as our first choice striker.

[Matthew Le God]

11 hours ago, captainchris said:

Chez missed two gilt edged chances today and that has been an issue for the team lately...

Chez is one footed and dog average unless you are comparing with Shef Utd who were totally inept.. 

Why are you calling him Chez? That is not his name.

His name is Che, and he is named after Che Guevara.

Edited 7 March, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Singapore Saint]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Why are you calling him Chez? That is not his name.

His name is Che, and he is named after Che Guevara.

You know our fans, when they can't spell Gao, you don't expect them to be able to spell Che.

[Teddeer]

2 hours ago, rooney said:

Ralph said he had been practising with Kelvin during training sessions.

Hopefully Kelvin is in goal not trying to teach Adams how to score.

[Chapel End]

12 hours ago, captainchris said:

Agree... A few people wear rose tinted glasses after a win or a goal and lose perspective of the overall.... 

Chez missed two gilt edged chances today and that has been an issue for the team lately...

Chez is one footed and dog average unless you are comparing with Shef Utd who were totally inept.. 

His name is Che not Chez, come on Crissy get a grip 

You practice reading and spelling and leave Che to work on his left foot..... Deal?

 

 

 

 

Edited 7 March, 2021 by Chapel End

[S-Clarke]

I don't think anyone is going over the top about Adams, I don't think they ever have. The problem is that the more extreme views posted by the idiots (he's the worst player i've seen etc) are now being shown up, so they're peddling out their points in more vague ways to try and ensure they're still seen as right. It's ok to be wrong sometimes, just hold your hand up. Don't make it worse by trying to be clever and calling him 'chez'.

As others have said, he's a decent support striker. You'll never get goals, goals, goals from him, but he works well with a mobile forward alongside him.

Edited 7 March, 2021 by S-Clarke

[Ex Lion Tamer]

Who is better: Adams or Ormerod? I think Adams, which means he can do a job for us

[Ed Rooney]

100% have Che over the gash Shane long served up year after year 

[Chez]

16 hours ago, captainchris said:

Chez missed two gilt edged chances today and that has been an issue for the team lately...

Chez is one footed and dog average unless you are comparing with Shef Utd who were totally inept.. 

at last, a thread I can claim to be ITK.

[davefizzy14]

Adams is a quality player and always works his socks off for the team. His goal yesterday was a wonder strike 

Edited 7 March, 2021 by davefizzy14

[Dark Munster]

9 hours ago, Teddeer said:

Hopefully Kelvin is in goal not trying to teach Adams how to score.

Kelvin is a nice guy, I'm sure he's in goal to give Chez Adam's confidence with scoring on every shot.

[SKD]

9 hours ago, Ed Rooney said:

100% have Che over the gash Shane long served up year after year 

The ‘Gash’ Shane Long served up, kept Adams out of the side for large parts of last season...

[SKD]

23 hours ago, Dusic said:

I like him. Not because he is going to get 15 PL goals, but because he is one of those players who always gives his all, grafts, is robust and nearly always fit to play and who does have natural ability that keeps you feeling like there is more to come.

There are some lazy comparisons with Shane Long on this thread, but Adams has much more on his locker technique wise than Long, the problem is he doesn't show it enough.

He could easily have pushed for the Leeds move and accepted it just hadnt worked out at Saints but he didn't, worked hard and got himself back involved and I respect him for that.

Our best spell of the season came when he was playing well, so hopefully he can keep playing on the level that he did 2nd half today and have a good end to the season. 

A good season for a player like Adams would be 8 PL goals and he could easily achieve that.

 

The comparisons aren’t lazy though. Both, as goal scorers, are absolutely dreadful. They share similar traits in that, they’re hardworking, pretty handy at holding the ball up (without being anything special at it) and their goal return per season for us is pretty similar and awful for a striker.
 

As for Technique, I agree it appears that Adams can probably strike the ball a bit better than long. However even Long, in his prime, scored some pretty decent goals. Id argue that Redmond has a better ‘technique’ than Che but also has a similar issue of not showing it enough. Yet Redmond gets dogs abuse on here whenever he makes a mistake and Che doesn’t? 
 

Id throw your comment on it’s head and say that Che’s best spell was when we (Ings) was playing well. I don’t think it was Che that turned our form around. 
 

Interested to hear why you think 8 goals a season is easy achievable for him, when he’s only ever achieved 8 or more twice in his career (once being in League 1). 
 

No excuses for him now. Has to kick on, 6 winnable fixtures coming up and likely to be the main man if ings is out. 

[marshmello]

Think we need to remember our number 7 for the last 4 years has been Shane bloody Long. Ché is a major upgrade and a good support striker. 

[Saint86]

On 04/03/2021 at 12:13, Saint86 said:

I am astounded at how hard he works, how well he holds the ball up, the problems he causes, the chances he creates, and his one touch finishing (when he doesn't think about it) are all good.

Just watched the MoTD highlights from the weekend. Stand by this 😅

[Dusic]

14 hours ago, SKD said:

Interested to hear why you think 8 goals a season is easy achievable for him, when he’s only ever achieved 8 or more twice in his career (once being in League 1). 

Because he has 5 goals now, with 13 (maybe a couple more) games to come so its possible he may score 3 more goals this season.

Certainly not out of the question, and 8 goals for a PL striker who is the secondary striker in a lower mid table team would be quite adequate I think.

[Lord Duckhunter]

11 hours ago, marshmello said:

Think we need to remember our number 7 for the last 4 years has been Shane bloody Long. Ché is a major upgrade and a good support striker. 

If you’re comparing Long with Adams at least have the decency to compare them at similar stages of their Saints career. In Longs first 2 season at the club, he was far better than Adams has been so far. 

[Ed Rooney]

14 hours ago, SKD said:

The ‘Gash’ Shane Long served up, kept Adams out of the side for large parts of last season...

I know, criminal 

[SKD]

 

On 03/03/2021 at 19:17, saint77 said:

Another pathetic post why do you bother 

 

On 06/03/2021 at 17:12, Pamplemousse said:

Lol. I see SKD's opinions haven't got any worse over the years

Lol. I prefer not to speak 😬

[Saint_lambden]

Ralph was right to call him ketchup bottle. 

[S-Clarke]

He's on one of his purple patches!

[SKD]

3 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He's on one of his purple patches!

Yes, all it takes is for him to gift them a goal which kills the game and for there to be no keeper and he is only 5 yards out. 
 

keep working hard though Che. 

[S-Clarke]

7 minutes ago, SKD said:

Yes, all it takes is for him to gift them a goal which kills the game and for there to be no keeper and he is only 5 yards out. 
 

keep working hard though Che. 

Oh yeah, of course. You think he's lower league quality.

[SKD]

I’ll try and take a step back and judge him on his merit over the last 2 games. 
 

2 in 2 for him, so can’t complain. Ultimately it doesn’t matter how he put them away, as long as they get put away. Something for him to build on. 
 

Second half against Sheffield United he was very good, looked like a premier league player. 
 

Tonight I thought he was pretty average and reverted back to his usual self. The pass for the 3rd goal was just brain dead. He took his opportunity (which was offside) very well. A shame it was ruled out as we’ve not seen finishing like that from him. 
 

next 5 games are huge for him. Needs to perform and I’ll happily eat my words if he does. I’m not convinced in a months time much will Have changed though. 

[Harry_SFC]

5 minutes ago, SKD said:

I’ll try and take a step back and judge him on his merit over the last 2 games. 
 

2 in 2 for him, so can’t complain. Ultimately it doesn’t matter how he put them away, as long as they get put away. Something for him to build on. 
 

Second half against Sheffield United he was very good, looked like a premier league player. 
 

Tonight I thought he was pretty average and reverted back to his usual self. The pass for the 3rd goal was just brain dead. He took his opportunity (which was offside) very well. A shame it was ruled out as we’ve not seen finishing like that from him. 
 

next 5 games are huge for him. Needs to perform and I’ll happily eat my words if he does. I’m not convinced in a months time much will Have changed though. 

That's a much fairer analysis..

[Teddeer]

38 minutes ago, SKD said:

I’ll try and take a step back and judge him on his merit over the last 2 games. 
 

2 in 2 for him, so can’t complain. Ultimately it doesn’t matter how he put them away, as long as they get put away. Something for him to build on. 
 

Second half against Sheffield United he was very good, looked like a premier league player. 
 

Tonight I thought he was pretty average and reverted back to his usual self. The pass for the 3rd goal was just brain dead. He took his opportunity (which was offside) very well. A shame it was ruled out as we’ve not seen finishing like that from him. 
 

next 5 games are huge for him. Needs to perform and I’ll happily eat my words if he does. I’m not convinced in a months time much will Have changed though. 

Thought he gave away their 2nd goal.

[Matthew Le God]

16 hours ago, SKD said:

Yes, all it takes is for him to gift them a goal which kills the game and for there to be no keeper and he is only 5 yards out. 

There is a skill to being in the right place.

[SKD]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

There is a skill to being in the right place.

Hahahaha shut up you doughnut. He literally blocked a shot from his own player and it dropped at his feet. 

[verlaine1979]

5 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

There is a skill to being in the right place.

One of the most frequent criticisms of his game (aside from his technique) is his lack of anticipation in the box. Most of his good work happens well outside the penalty area.

[Chapel End]

5 hours ago, SKD said:

Hahahaha shut up you doughnut. He literally blocked a shot from his own player and it dropped at his feet. 

It deflected off Laporte before coming to him but don't let facts get in the way of your agenda

When is Bertrand "definitely"  off, please remind us

[SKD]

1 hour ago, Chapel End said:

It deflected off Laporte before coming to him but don't let facts get in the way of your agenda

When is Bertrand "definitely"  off, please remind us

That was 4 years ago and as I’ve said before, he was before we changed managers. Freak. 

 

[Minsk]

Just for comparison, thus far this season, Che has scored as many goals in the Prem as the following strikers:

Tammy Abraham

Richarlison

Firmino

Jesus

Cavanni

McGoldrick

Forwards/Strikers he has scored more than include:

Chris Wood

Werner

Benteke

Giroud

Martial

Iheanacho

Mitrovic

The only players to have scored more than Che who do not play for the big 6 or Leicester (who are having an excellent season) are:

Bamford (Leeds main striker)

Calvert-Lewin (Everton's main striker)

Watkins (Villa's main striker)

Wilson (Newcastle's main striker)

Ings (Saints main striker)

Maupay (Brighton's main striker)

Antonio (West Ham's main striker)

Zaha (Palace's main player)

Soucek

Ward-Prowse

[saintwbu]

Yep 6 goals and 4 assists not a bad return for a second striker to be fair, especially given that he hasn’t started every game, and doesn’t take penalties. He’s had 3 goals ruled out, 2 for incredibly marginal offsides. He clearly struggles with confidence, but if Ings was in his stride I think we’d all be saying Adams was having a decent season in that supporting role. 

[woodsaint1]

33 minutes ago, Minsk said:

Just for comparison, thus far this season, Che has scored as many goals in the Prem as the following strikers:

Tammy Abraham

Richarlison

Firmino

Jesus

Cavanni

McGoldrick

Forwards/Strikers he has scored more than include:

Chris Wood

Werner

Benteke

Giroud

Martial

Iheanacho

Mitrovic

The only players to have scored more than Che who do not play for the big 6 or Leicester (who are having an excellent season) are:

Bamford (Leeds main striker)

Calvert-Lewin (Everton's main striker)

Watkins (Villa's main striker)

Wilson (Newcastle's main striker)

Ings (Saints main striker)

Maupay (Brighton's main striker)

Antonio (West Ham's main striker)

Zaha (Palace's main player)

Soucek

Ward-Prowse

Spot on and proves what a good return he has for a second striker. He could have easily had another 4/5 if it wasnt for bad VAR decisions, narrow offsides and a bit more composure at the critical time. Think any team outside the usual top 6 clubs would be delighted to have Ings and Adams as their two main strikers

[SKD]

8 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Spot on and proves what a good return he has for a second striker. He could have easily had another 4/5 if it wasnt for bad VAR decisions, narrow offsides and a bit more composure at the critical time. Think any team outside the usual top 6 clubs would be delighted to have Ings and Adams as their two main strikers

What’s this second striker nonsense? We play 2 up top, he has just as many chances to score as ings. 
 

Regarding lack of composure, that’s a pretty big thing for a striker. Adams wouldn’t get in to many premier league teams outside the bottom 6. 

Edited 11 March, 2021 by SKD

[woodsaint1]

7 minutes ago, SKD said:

What’s this second striker nonsense? We play 2 up top, he has just as many chances to score as ings. 
 

Regarding lack of composure, that’s a pretty big thing for a striker. Adams wouldn’t get in to many premier league teams outside the bottom 6. 

Did Adams steal your girl? You're dislike for him is getting a bit weird. Looking at the players hes scored more than this season would suggest that he would get in quite a few teams outside the bottom 6. I dont know who you would expect a club of our size and limited finances to have to accompany Ings

[Diabolus Ex Machina]

22 minutes ago, SKD said:

What’s this second striker nonsense? We play 2 up top, he has just as many chances to score as ings. 
 

Regarding lack of composure, that’s a pretty big thing for a striker. Adams wouldn’t get in to many premier league teams outside the bottom 6. 

According to official premier league stats he's had 2 more shots than Ings this season and scored the same number of open play goals - 6 (Ings has 2 penalties as well taking him to 8 total) so are we saying Ings lacks composure in open play as well? He's tied on second in the team for Assists as well behind only JWP who takes our set pieces. Is he having a fantastic season - no, I don't think anyone is saying that, but he is certainly making a contribution which is more than you can say for the likes of Redmond and Djenepo who in my opinion are the main underperformers.

[GDog07]

Armstrong been having a word in his ear, eh?

Not that he was going to get anywhere near the England set-up unless he started bagging goals for fun.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/6826982/southampton-che-adams-commits-scotland-call-up/amp/

[Baird of the land]

Makes sense. Maybe his one chance to play in a major tournament. 

[Turkish]

Got his call up for Scotland. Good luck to him

[JRM]

Ralph won't be pleased about that, every time Armstrong goes on duty he comes back injured, with Ings out and Adams away for the 2 weeks it won't help preparation for the Burnley game. 

But can't blame Adams, he'll score the winner for the Tartan Army at Wembley this summer. 

[LuckyNumber7]

Congrats to Che, hopefully playing international football will aid his development.

[TWar]

As it stands would have to get past Kane, DCL, Ings, Watkins, Bamford, Callum Wilson, Michael Antonio, and Tammy Abraham into three squad positions, maybe two if we think Foden/Rashford can fill in as a back up and bring an extra attacking mid. Basically 0 chance he starts for England for the next 5 years so nice he's getting a chance. 

[Whitey Grandad]

Should be good for him and his confidence but I do worry about injuries.

[davefizzy14]

Absolutely chuffed to bits for Che - he deserves this opportunity

[VectisSaint]

Pity it couldn't have waited till the Summer, he could really have done with the break and the Saints training. Instead he will be away for 2 weeks, potentially playing 3 games, with the risk of injury and further fatigue for his employers. 

[The Cat]

3 hours ago, VectisSaint said:

Pity it couldn't have waited till the Summer, he could really have done with the break and the Saints training. Instead he will be away for 2 weeks, potentially playing 3 games, with the risk of injury and further fatigue for his employers. 

Or he'll go away, have a great time, score a goal or 2 and come back mentally refreshed not having spent 2 weeks with our squad of losers.