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Sunglasses Ron

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We're still as far out as 100-1 to get relegated. That appears to suggest we will be fine, but can't help thinking that a Fulham win at Palace followed by the inevitable defeat for us at Everton and all of a sudden there's just 5 points in it plus positive goal difference for Fulham. You'd have to question what that might do to the fragile mindset that appears to exist within our club at this time.

The Sheffield United game is looking utterly crucial now.

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I did put a few quid on us to go down after Newcastle game @ 100/1.

 

However in reality I still think we're very unlikely to do so, and odds still reflect that (generally about 50/1).

 

We have 13 league games left and are on 30 points. Even despite our horrific run recently, we've managed 7 points from our last 13 games, which if we replicate will leave us on 37 - probably enough to stay up IMO.

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Absolutely ridiculous that we're even in any kind of danger. Given we had 29 points at the start of January, we should already be safe. But if anyone can make a mess of this position then it's us.

I still think it's incredibly unlikely we'll go down, but the pressure is now on and confidence is very low.

We play Sheff Utd and WBA away, and play Brighton, Burnley, Fulham, and Palace at home.  Would be bonkers if we didn't manage to get 7/8 points from that lot. But given we couldn't score against a 9 man Newcastle, anything can happen with us.

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3 minutes ago, Uncle Albert said:

Betting against your own team, classy...

Don't have a problem with that, we deserve something from having to put up with our team.

Took 14/1 at HT v Wolves for a Wolves win, cashed out at £105 so I could cheer on for an equaliser, not an educated decision.

If I can get 100/1 on us going down, I'll stick  a tenner on it, i do not want us to, but I wouldn't rule it out as impossible. Almost certainly not going to happen unless we literally lose all of our games bar one, as if eh?

I got a few trains of thought on betting to go down.

1 - It's good value

2 - It will damped the blow

3 - I couldn't care less about The PL. I think a bit of me wants us to be a WBA or Norwich, seems a lot more interesting than this crap we have to put up with.

So, where can i get 100/1?

 

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4 hours ago, Koolman said:

Has a team ever been relegated from the Premier League in the same season after being top in November?

Doesn't matter, because we are the record breakers, record breakers la la la la la (you have to be a certain age to get the reference...)

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36 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

What's our longest run without a win? It would be nice to top that too in this historical multi record breaking season.

My guess is that it would be 1989 when we went something like 19 games without a win, a run that ended with a late Ruddock penalty v Newcastle. Hopefully this run won't go on for as long! 

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5 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

Absolutely ridiculous that we're even in any kind of danger. Given we had 29 points at the start of January, we should already be safe. But if anyone can make a mess of this position then it's us.

I still think it's incredibly unlikely we'll go down, but the pressure is now on and confidence is very low.

We play Sheff Utd and WBA away, and play Brighton, Burnley, Fulham, and Palace at home.  Would be bonkers if we didn't manage to get 7/8 points from that lot. But given we couldn't score against a 9 man Newcastle, anything can happen with us.

None of those teams will be worrying about playing us, in fact they'll all have it down as a possible 3 points for them. Whilst we won some football matches early on in the season, we've won very few battles.

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4 hours ago, Noodles34 said:

Don't have a problem with that, we deserve something from having to put up with our team.

Took 14/1 at HT v Wolves for a Wolves win, cashed out at £105 so I could cheer on for an equaliser, not an educated decision.

If I can get 100/1 on us going down, I'll stick  a tenner on it, i do not want us to, but I wouldn't rule it out as impossible. Almost certainly not going to happen unless we literally lose all of our games bar one, as if eh?

I got a few trains of thought on betting to go down.

1 - It's good value

2 - It will damped the blow

3 - I couldn't care less about The PL. I think a bit of me wants us to be a WBA or Norwich, seems a lot more interesting than this crap we have to put up with.

So, where can i get 100/1?

 

WBA are in the Prem?

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If a team gets relegated after accumulating 29 pts by January, then it has to be said, they fully deserve to go down. There's no denying that.

2019 - Pretty bad

2020 - forth best team in the land

2021 - Utter dog shit.

I think that's what makes this hard to swallow. How has it gone so wrong?

 

Nobody is headhunting Ralph now, so there's always that. And I firmly believe he is better than what is happening right now. 

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3 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said:

If a team gets relegated after accumulating 29 pts by January, then it has to be said, they fully deserve to go down. There's no denying that.

2019 - Pretty bad

2020 - forth best team in the land

2021 - Utter dog shit.

I think that's what makes this hard to swallow. How has it gone so wrong?

 

Nobody is headhunting Ralph now, so there's always that. And I firmly believe he is better than what is happening right now. 

For a good number of years before the first lockdown last year until December we just haven’t been good. Form last year was temporary from the evidence of this year so far. It’s easy for some to forget just how bad things were before covid put a halt to the 2019/20 season temporarily. 

If form is temporary and class is permanent, we are just a little bit above the dunces in our class. 

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1 hour ago, Noodles34 said:

Yeah, that’s my point, up and down

Years of mediocre Premier League football vs Success one in every two years.

It’s a bizarre business where your consumers are more happy with mediocrity because it’s produced at a slightly higher level over genuine success and joy. 

(MLG NOTES-

Money achieved through staying in the Premier League doesn’t give me joy

The success and joy mentioned isn’t guaranteed but the clubs previously mentioned have proved it is possible

A regular mediocre season vs success 1 in 2 metaphor - If I bought two melons each from Sainsbury’s and Waitrose and the Waitrose melons were of consistent juicy quality but the Sainsbury’s melons differed, the first being slightly under ripe and disappointing whilst the second being so juicy and delicious it gave me a strange tingling feeling, I’m more likely to want to try a Sainsbury’s melon again (Sainsbury’s melons represent Prem Relegation and Champ promotion))

 

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1 hour ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

For a good number of years before the first lockdown last year until December we just haven’t been good. Form last year was temporary from the evidence of this year so far. It’s easy for some to forget just how bad things were before covid put a halt to the 2019/20 season temporarily. 

If form is temporary and class is permanent, we are just a little bit above the dunces in our class. 

There's no denying how pish we were in 2018 and 2019, but to say our PL form post lockdown last year was temporary is a bit ridiculous - 12 wins, 8 draws and 5 losses (44 points from 75, just shy of 1.8 points per game). Sustaining that over 25 games isnt 'form', its the sign of a good team. 

Likewise, although our 2021 form is very poor - 1 win, 1 draw and 7 defeats (4 points from 27, 0.44 points per game), I would need to see this run of 'form' sustained over 25 games - to the end of season for example (averaging under 1.1 points per game or relegation form) before I would agree that we've returned to our 2018/19/early 20 levels

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Sunglasses Ron

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13 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

I managed to get £20 on us at 200-1 at some point. Going down and winning the cup would lead to an absolute epic piss up.  

Put a tenner on at 100-1 yesterday, I hope I never see the cash but like you I will make appropriate use of it if the worst happens.

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11 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

There's no denying how pish we were in 2018 and 2019, but to say our PL form post lockdown last year was temporary is a bit ridiculous - 12 wins, 8 draws and 5 losses (44 points from 75, just shy of 1.8 points per game). Sustaining that over 25 games isnt 'form', its the sign of a good team. 

Likewise, although our 2021 form is very poor - 1 win, 1 draw and 7 defeats (4 points from 27, 0.44 points per game), I would need to see this run of 'form' sustained over 25 games - to the end of season for example (averaging under 1.1 points per game or relegation form) before I would agree that we've returned to our 2018/19/early 20 levels

At first glance, I don’t disagree with your logic but do the same calculations over 5 years. Most of the players are similar so it’s a reasonable to suggest that last year’s good run was a blip (albeit relatively sustained) more than anything.

If it were music, you could say that out of 5 albums, one was a blinder but 4 were bang average. Do you judge on the one, or the career? 
 

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3 hours ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

At first glance, I don’t disagree with your logic but do the same calculations over 5 years. Most of the players are similar so it’s a reasonable to suggest that last year’s good run was a blip (albeit relatively sustained) more than anything.

If it were music, you could say that out of 5 albums, one was a blinder but 4 were bang average. Do you judge on the one, or the career? 
 

We have been poor for the majority of the last 5 years I agree, but I'd rather rate Ralph and his team on their own merits (this season and last) and not that of his predecessors Pellegrino and Hughes who were at the helm during that period

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6 hours ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

Put a tenner on at 100-1 yesterday, I hope I never see the cash but like you I will make appropriate use of it if the worst happens.

Not a bad insurance policy. 

Can't believe this is already our 9th season back in the top flight, scary to think how much money has washed through the business in that time, we've only really been close to the drop a couple of those years despite the perception we've been poor for  a while now. 

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If Fulham and our form over the last ten games continues for the next 13, we'll be separated by 0.2 points and what you can only presume will be their superior goal difference at that point.

Of course, form is temporary, but it's not as if we've never seen clubs go on twenty-game runs of bad form over the history of the league.

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