Summer Transfer Window 2021

[mcbendy]

Armando Broja

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armando_Broja

On loan. Per Twitter, but seems like a very 'Saints' signing. Just signed a long contract extension with Chelsea. Young. 10 in 30 for Vitesse last season. 6 foot 3. I could get behind this one...

[TWar]

11 minutes ago, mcbendy said:

Armando Broja

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armando_Broja

On loan. Per Twitter, but seems like a very 'Saints' signing. Just signed a long contract extension with Chelsea. Young. 10 in 30 for Vitesse last season. 6 foot 3. I could get behind this one...

Looks good to me. 12 goal contributions (10 goals) in about 1900 minutes in the Eredivisie for Vitesse. Not bad at all for a 19 year old. Would be excited to sign him and have a buy back like Livramento rather than a loan, seems to have potential.

At a quick glance seems to be used to playing in a front two, given Vitesse seem to mainly play a 352. I'd be happy enough with him plus another.

Edited 8 August, 2021 by TWar

[egg]

11 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Delap is the only youngster from a top club i can think of, who may be good enough but will struggle for game time.

He crossed my mind a while ago. He's got something from what I've seen. 

[SW5 SAINT]

3 minutes ago, TWar said:

Looks good to me. 12 goal contributions (10 goals) in about 1900 minutes in the Eredivisie for Vitesse. Not bad at all for a 19 year old. Would be excited to sign him and have a buy back like Livramento rather than a loan, seems to have potential.

Just signed a five year deal with Chelsea last week. So unlikely to be available as buy…….

[TWar]

Just now, SW5 SAINT said:

Just signed a five year deal with Chelsea last week. So unlikely to be available as buy…….

Thats a shame, maybe we could get a loan with an option

[Matthew Le God]

15 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Delap is the only youngster from a top club i can think of, who may be good enough but will struggle for game time.

 

3 minutes ago, egg said:

He crossed my mind a while ago. He's got something from what I've seen. 

Born in Winchester as his dad was playing for Saints at the time.

[danjosaint]

There was talk yesterday of him joining Stoke on loan 

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28 minutes ago, mcbendy said:

Armando Broja

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armando_Broja

On loan. Per Twitter, but seems like a very 'Saints' signing. Just signed a long contract extension with Chelsea. Young. 10 in 30 for Vitesse last season. 6 foot 3. I could get behind this one...

That's a curveball and I know nothing about him. A loan of a youngster doesn't excite me though as we develop him for them. Loan with an option with a pre agreed price, now that'd be different.

I wander if the rumours started from this article. He seems well thought of though - "watching Broja it is clear that he is someone special if given the right chances. Those chances won’t be at Chelsea with Lukaku signing, so it is very important to get him the right loan to develop" is encouraging. 

https://theprideoflondon.com/2021/08/05/chelsea-decide-tammy-abraham-armando-brojas-futures/amp/

Edited 8 August, 2021 by egg

[Turkish]

 

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

 

Too little money

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

 

No matter how we are financially, had we lost a first team player for 6 months, we would not have gone shopping for a premier league starter.

look at the state we made of the Virgil situation, when Vardy crocked him.  Probably cost us the league cup.

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

15-20m would probably do it. Fully expect him to go, which will then allow us the funds to bring in that number 6/centre back cover which Ralph has been alluding to needing.

[LaptopSaint]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

Delap?

Only if he’s got a decent long throw on him

[CanadaSaint]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

15-20m would probably do it. Fully expect him to go, which will then allow us the funds to bring in that number 6/centre back cover which Ralph has been alluding to needing.

Assuming that we get a decent striker in, this - for me - is the key buy of the window. The lack of cover for Romeu was a major factor behind our failure to arrest the New Year slide. The lack of his bite in front of the CDs really exposed their weaknesses. Vestergaard has to be adequately replaced or else it's scary reliance on Stephens and Bednarek, along with the promising Salisu.

It's an unconventional profile and Ralph mentioned it some time back, so I'd be surprised if they don't have some "under the radar" names in mind. If they get this right it could be a major upgrade.

[Toadhall Saint]

24 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

15-20m would probably do it. Fully expect him to go, which will then allow us the funds to bring in that number 6/centre back cover which Ralph has been alluding to needing.

But does he know who he wants?

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Why be negative about our current situation when we know we are going to bring players in?

It's changeable though isn't it. I'm not feeling positive about the club at the moment but of course that can change if we bring in some decent players. You can only react to the current situation. 

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

But does he know who he wants?

There were a lot of noises around Delaney, supposedly available for as little as £9m.

But I don't really think he'll cover CB.

[Wade Garrett]

28 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

Sell him and buy a right/footed centre back to play alongside Salisu.

Tomkins from Palace would be good.  Plenty of experience.

[Badger]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

There were a lot of noises around Delaney, supposedly available for as little as £9m.

But I don't really think he'll cover CB.

With the rumours of young players, and others having not played at this level, signing an experienced player to guide on the pitch seems essential.

[macca155]

15 million for Vestergaard seems about right, hopefully they can squeeze that up a little. One year on his contract, he is no Van Dyke, and we need the money. The downside is it leaves us relying on Salisu, which is fine until he is injured, which is inevitable over the season.

[Dusic]

Utter madness if we agreed to the Ings sale and weren't actually far down the line with any replacements.

Very concerning that the issue with Edouard would be the fee, seeing as has one yr left and we just received £30m.

How does a PL club get into such a mess with just 3 weeks left of the transfer window?

It seems extremely unlikely now that our 1st XI will be stronger than last year.

[Toadhall Saint]

1 minute ago, Dusic said:

Utter madness if we agreed to the Ings sale and weren't actually far down the line with any replacements.

Very concerning that the issue with Edouard would be the fee, seeing as has one yr left and we just received £30m.

How does a PL club get into such a mess with just 3 weeks left of the transfer window?

It seems extremely unlikely now that our 1st XI will be stronger than last year.

Personally I think the ings deal got announced before we really wanted it to. I think most would say it was a bit out of the blue in so far as no rumours etc. Until then we were looking for a striker to play alongside so only had so much money. Now every man and his dog knows we need a striker and have the money.

[wild-saint]

2 hours ago, EBS1980 said:

“Southampton remain confident of adding two forwards to the squad, one of whom could be another cheap deal for an academy player from a top side — similar to full-back Tino Livramento’s recent transfer from Chelsea.”

So what promising forwards do the big clubs have that we might look to??

Well looking at current form, saints were confident that Ings and Bertrand were going to sign new deals. 

[qwertyell]

Two PL clubs said to be in for Atletico GK Ivo Grbic on loan - but Lille favourites to sign him.

No indication that we're one of the PL clubs, but it'd be nice to think we're scouring the market for an upgrade on a couple of sacks of shit.

[Crab Lungs]

5 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Utter madness if we agreed to the Ings sale and weren't actually far down the line with any replacements.

Very concerning that the issue with Edouard would be the fee, seeing as has one yr left and we just received £30m.

How does a PL club get into such a mess with just 3 weeks left of the transfer window?

It seems extremely unlikely now that our 1st XI will be stronger than last year.

This is Saints all over. No forward planning, trying to portray that they’re forward thinking and everything is pre-planned but in reality, it’s a lot of people collectively winging it.

Clown club.

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

This is Saints all over. No forward planning, trying to portray that they’re forward thinking and everything is pre-planned but in reality, it’s a lot of people collectively winging it.

Clown club.

Just out of interest, how can you seriously forward plan when you have to rely on the sale of a player in order to bring in the new player?

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

Just out of interest, how can you seriously forward plan when you have to rely on the sale of a player in order to bring in the new player?

You do contingency planning. 

[UpweySaint]

1 minute ago, Crab Lungs said:

This is Saints all over. No forward planning, trying to portray that they’re forward thinking and everything is pre-planned but in reality, it’s a lot of people collectively winging it.

Clown club.

If you believe Dan Sheldon at the Athletic Villa were desperate to get the deal done before Grealish going hence the price. I did not believe we would see anything over the £20mil mark for Danny so a sale for 'up to' £30mil was probably too good for the board to turn down.

 

We all know the situation - sell to buy - therefore if we can turn £30mil (plus any fee from Vestegaard) into three quality signings then it will have been a good deal. 

 

Plenty of things aren't perfect at saints but Semmens etc have impressed imo despite obvious limitations of our lack of financial backing. 

[bangkoksaint]

2 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

This is Saints all over. No forward planning, trying to portray that they’re forward thinking and everything is pre-planned but in reality, it’s a lot of people collectively winging it.

Clown club.

Yep…….complete ineptitude. 6 days from the start of the season and 23 days until the window SLAMS shut. We are weaker than last season, we don’t seem able to get who we want and I bet others in the squad will go if they can. 
Personally I think Ralph will be gone by November after a catastrophic start, whoever comes in (Howe I reckon) won’t be able to arrest the slump and we’ll be down.

[Whitey Grandad]

5 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

This is Saints all over. No forward planning, trying to portray that they’re forward thinking and everything is pre-planned but in reality, it’s a lot of people collectively winging it.

Clown club.

What makes you say that?

As to Vestergaard, make it £20m or more and I'll take it.

[Baird of the land]

If vestergaard isn’t going to stay & sign a new contract it will be handy if Leicester are interested and we can snare a good deal out of their desperation.

i’m hoping The club can sort out ings replacement by midweek. They have had plenty of time to analyze targets (knowing ings was likely to leave). If it drags on longer that would be very poor.

 

[ChrisPY]

If it’s £15m up front, reckon we could squeeze another £5m in add ons.

Someone like Phil Jones on loan with a reasonably priced option to buy frees up a bit more to spend in other key areas. 

Don’t see Salisu as a downgrade on Vestergaard but would prefer to have someone with a bit more experience playing on his right. One where we would need to have everything in place before sanctioning the sale though so we’re not scrambling for a replacement at the end of the window and being quoted £15m+ on lower quality players.

 

[egg]

14 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

This is Saints all over. No forward planning, trying to portray that they’re forward thinking and everything is pre-planned but in reality, it’s a lot of people collectively winging it.

Clown club.

There'll be plans, but plans are contingent on circumstances beyond our control.

We always knew Ings was going, the issue then was who to, at what price, and when. If Kane had left spurs, Ings may have gone there earlier. Out of our control. In the end he went to Villa, and the timing of that linked into the sale of Grealish. Also out of our control. When we were in a position to enter the market, so were others. Also out of our control. In addition, some targets will probably have already moved on or otherwise become unavailable. Also out of our control. 

I once really liked a house that was on the market. Sadly mine hadn't sold before someone else snapped it up. I'd planned to buy it, but alas circumstances worked against me. Football ain't any different. 

 

Edited 8 August, 2021 by egg

[qwertyell]

1 minute ago, egg said:

I once really liked a house that was on the market. Sadly mine hadn't sold before someone else snapped it up. I'd planned to buy it, but alas circumstances worked against me. Football ain't any different. 

If we replace Ings with a three bed semi in Totton, the recruitment team will have a lot of explaining to do.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

If we replace Ings with a three bed semi in Totton, the recruitment team will have a lot of explaining to do.

Ha!!!! It'd probably finish better than Long though, and turn quicker than Vestergaard. 

[ChrisPY]

4 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

If we replace Ings with a three bed semi in Totton, the recruitment team will have a lot of explaining to do.

Could be something in this, Roofe scored from inside his own half last season for Rangers in the Europa League.

[Greenridge]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

You do contingency planning. 

And maybe they have been doing exactly that. 

[Turkish]

22 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Just out of interest, how can you seriously forward plan when you have to rely on the sale of a player in order to bring in the new player?

Remember the days when we had a list of players we were tracking for literally years so when we sold someone we knew exactly who we were replacing them with 

[CanadaSaint]

The lack of balance in all this criticism of the club is ridiculous. I don’t think Villa were particularly gung-ho for Ings – that’s why it took everyone by surprise. They needed some appeasement for their fans because they were about to sell Grealish, so they chose a very good player and were willing to pay far more than anyone was expecting. In return for the extra cash we completed the transfer even though we were still jostling with a bunch of other clubs for Ings’ replacement.

I think the club did the right thing, even though it has put us under a lot of pressure.

Vestergaard is very different. We’re in the timeline driver’s seat on that one – whether it’s Leicester or Spurs after him.

Sure, the club deserves some criticism, but I think they’re doing their best to stretch scarce resources across a number of problem areas.

[CB Fry]

28 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Just out of interest, how can you seriously forward plan when you have to rely on the sale of a player in order to bring in the new player?

Isn't that what the recruitment department are doing for 10 months of the year ahead of each summer transfer window?

We're now making out someone walked into their office on Thursday morning, announced to them that we've sold Ings and they all spat their tea out in shock?

[Lee On Solent Saint]

I'd be looking at 20m for Vestergaard. Had a decent Euro, actually looked a lot better than he did when playing for us. 

[Lallana's Left Peg]

4 minutes ago, CanadaSaint said:

The lack of balance in all this criticism of the club is ridiculous. I don’t think Villa were particularly gung-ho for Ings – that’s why it took everyone by surprise. They needed some appeasement for their fans because they were about to sell Grealish, so they chose a very good player and were willing to pay far more than anyone was expecting. In return for the extra cash we completed the transfer even though we were still jostling with a bunch of other clubs for Ings’ replacement.

I think the club did the right thing, even though it has put us under a lot of pressure.

Vestergaard is very different. We’re in the timeline driver’s seat on that one – whether it’s Leicester or Spurs after him.

Sure, the club deserves some criticism, but I think they’re doing their best to stretch scarce resources across a number of problem areas.

The decision to sell Ings for such a good fee should have only happened if they are sure they can purchase players to replace him and retain our presence in the league.  If the club sold him without knowing who they could realistically get in then it is a massive risk that means the fee is less attractive to me.  If Ings had no intention of signing then £30m sounds good in principle but if we end up signing players who between them cannot replace his goals then the club is likely relegated.

I'll decide on whether or not the Ings deal was good firstly on 1st September, and then with hindsight at the end of next May.

As for the overall criticism it is entirely probable that both Semmens et al are doing a good job and the club is decaying can both be true.  The club heading in one direction is no criticism of our board when you consider they are playing in a rich mans playground with no money.  Gao needs to find a solution quickly.  

[Dusic]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Isn't that what the recruitment department are doing for 10 months of the year ahead of each summer transfer window?

We're now making out someone walked into their office on Thursday morning, announced to them that we've sold Ings and they all spat their tea out in shock?

Exactly. They would have targets for various scenarios and at various value points. Ralph was still talking about signing a couple even before Ings went so there is obviously some cash about, as the initial bod for Armstrong shows.

At the point we knew Ings was going I would hope we started advancing things with our preferred targets.

If we havent then its poor planning.

Just seen Edouard has picked up an injury in the warm down after Celtic's game.

[danjosaint]

22 minutes ago, egg said:

There'll be plans, but plans are contingent on circumstances beyond our control.

We always knew Ings was going, the issue then was who to, at what price, and when. If Kane had left spurs, Ings may have gone there earlier. Out of our control. In the end he went to Villa, and the timing of that linked into the sale of Grealish. Also out of our control. When we were in a position to enter the market, so were others. Also out of our control. In addition, some targets will probably have already moved on or otherwise become unavailable. Also out of our control. 

I once really liked a house that was on the market. Sadly mine hadn't sold before someone else snapped it up. I'd planned to buy it, but alas circumstances worked against me. Football ain't any different. 

 

But if you had the money in the bank for it you would've bought it , then put yours up for sale, we took out the £70m loan to help tie us over in these covid times and help out any transfers if someone becomes available that we like

[SuperSAINT]

 

[nta786]

I think we’ll all have to wait, we are proper hagglers and any transfer we do will probably go down to the final day. 
If I remember correctly that’s when Mane and Alderweireld came in.

Sometimes haggling is okay, but the downside is of course is that our signings get less time to bed in to tactics/camaraderie.

[Saint Matty 76]

As long as he's combined with an Eduoard or Armstrong then that's a fine move.

Anything which pushes Long further out the door.

[SuperSAINT]

4 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

Broja at Chelsea is apparently up for a loan deal somewhere.

👀 

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, nta786 said:

I think we’ll all have to wait, we are proper hagglers and any transfer we do will probably go down to the final day. 
If I remember correctly that’s when Mane and Alderweireld came in.

Sometimes haggling is okay, but the downside is of course is that our signings get less time to bed in to tactics/camaraderie.

Works both ways though. Closer to the deadline we get and still no replacement for Ings the more desperate we become. People seem to think we’re in the driving seat but selling clubs aren’t stupid either. If we get off to a bad start then it only strengthens the hand of the selling club. 

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, Turkish said:

Works both ways though. Closer to the deadline we get and still no replacement for Ings the more desperate we become. People seem to think we’re in the driving seat but selling clubs aren’t stupid either. If we get off to a bad start then it only strengthens the hand of the selling club. 

Blackburn's position regarding Armstrong gets more difficult as time progresses. I doubt they want to lose him for £0 next summer.