Summer Transfer Window 2021

[revolution saint]

To all those people saying Adam Armstrong is unproven in the premier league, that’s simply not true. He’s played 15 times and not scored. To be fair he was young and they were probably sub appearances. 
Have to say I’m not that convinced by Edouard either. Origi? Got my reservations about him but he’s got something if he can find a bit of consistency. All the names have a few question marks and will be a gamble but that’s the market we’re in. Club have had plenty of time to identify who they want so just got to hope they get it right.

[verlaine1979]

Just now, saintwbu said:

I don’t think we’re lacking pace - Adams, Tella, Obafemi, Walcott and to a lesser extent Redmond and Armstrong all bring that in attacking areas. But pace only gets you so far, so if one of Edouard and Armstrong is quick and one is a good finisher, i’d rather have the good finisher please.

Tella and Obafemi are quick, I'll give you that, and maybe one will step up and become a regular this season. But at the moment, they're just quick bench players who might make an impact on the first XI and might not. You're mistaken about Adams though - he's slow. And Walcott was quick once, but his pace is nothing to write home about now. As for Redmond, I'm mystified as to why it keeps being repeated that he's quick - he isn't. I would characterise Armstrong as more direct with good control than flat out fast - he doesn't often run past people, but he's difficult to shake when he drives forward with the ball at his feet.

Someone like Edouard, who is 6'2 and a powerful runner through the middle from what I can see, would make a big difference to how we can play.

[Roo1976]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Imagine a front two of Redmond and Long 🤣🤣🤣

There isnt a fucking lmfao button to reply with...........................

[stknowle]

1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

‘We lose an important striker who scored a lot of goals and we must split the goals he scored amongst our player, on their shoulder. Three more goals, four more goals from them and they can maybe replace him.

"We will hopefully get two or three more in and I am sure that we will replace him. We must have a look at what striker we need but we have a few alternatives, in Che, Longy, Obafemi and Redmond can play up front."

Gulp 🙁
Nathan Redmond…….fkin seriously Ralph ??

More worried at the mention of 'Longy' as a serious option. The thought of possibly only 2 more players in is also a serious fuckin worry imho. We need minimum 3 without any others going. 4 if Vestergaard goes which he probably will. 

[Turkish]

30 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

People need to stop taking everything Ralph says as gospel. He's just reeled off a few players to give them encouragement

He played Redmond up front in an FA cup semi final. He obviously believes he can play there

[saintwbu]

The only player out there that I am very confident would be a success here is Tammy Abraham. Beyond that, all the other names mentioned are a gamble. A Championship striker who’s scored 28 goals in a season for a shit team, and is youngish and available for less than £20mil isn’t a huge gamble imo. Bamford, Watkins, Adams have all stepped up to Premier League level fairly comfortably in recent years, and none of them got near the goals Armstrong got last year.

[Saint Matty 76]

Stylistically I'd definitely prefer Edouard. A threat in the box (seeing as Che hasn't scored a header in his career) would be useful and from what I've seen at Celtic he's got a great touch in particular. 

I believe we've only ever been linked to him in The Sun so who knows if he's even on our radar. 

[CWD]

Have we ever actually been linked with Edouard? Feel like I only ever see his name on this forum… Armstrong is clearly the top target.

[EBS1980]

1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

‘We lose an important striker who scored a lot of goals and we must split the goals he scored amongst our player, on their shoulder. Three more goals, four more goals from them and they can maybe replace him.

"We will hopefully get two or three more in and I am sure that we will replace him. We must have a look at what striker we need but we have a few alternatives, in Che, Longy, Obafemi and Redmond can play up front."

Gulp 🙁
Nathan Redmond…….fkin seriously Ralph ??

But the part everyone is missing off this quote is after listing those he says “but yeah we know we need someone else”.

[Sideways Jim]

1 minute ago, EBS1980 said:

But the part everyone is missing off this quote is after listing those he says “but yeah we know we need someone else”.

Exactly, all Ralph is doing here is telling the rest they need to up their game. Which they do need too

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, CWD said:

Have we ever actually been linked with Edouard? Feel like I only ever see his name on this forum… Armstrong is clearly the top target.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/7108180/celtic-edouard-southampton-join-transfer-fight/

[ElTrinidad]

Not sure what you’re on about there fella, Eduard is completely untested in PL. Also all Celtic fans I know think his attitude has been abysmal since he made his wishes to leave the club clear last season. Looked completely uninterested in the game against midtjylland in which Celtic were knocked out of the Champions league, not sure why we would want to rely on that sort of player as our main source of goals when he has clear temperament issues and will probably sod off as soon as a club willing to pay his price coughs up the cash.

 

I suggest you stop the doom and gloom attitude, trust in the club and hope for the best next season. The boys are going to need all the support they can get. 
 

let’s also not forget the absolute uproar surrounding the transfer window before Koeman’s 1st season. I don’t think any fan can say that they weren’t pleasantly surprised with how that debacle turned out  

[Sideways Jim]

Wonder if we will be looking at the loan market aswell. 

 

Someone like Harvey Elliott we be good here

[SuperSAINT]

Just now, Sideways Jim said:

Wonder if we will be looking at the loan market aswell. 

 

Someone like Harvey Elliott we be good here

Would imagine he’s going to get game-time for Liverpool. 

[saintwbu]

Few mentions on twitter that Palace have agreed a deal for Armstrong, but can’t find a source of note. Regardless, Palace fans seem pretty excited about the idea, with some even questioning it on the grounds of him being too good for them..

[CWD]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/7108180/celtic-edouard-southampton-join-transfer-fight/

Thanks. So linked in the Sun nearly 3 months ago… Doesn’t seem likely to me!

[VectisSaint]

4 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

So, now we've got some money to play with.

Armstrong I assume will happen now.

Can we get Delaney through the door...? 9m is the going rate there.

If we've got 30m ish for Ings, £15m for Armstrong and £9m for Delaney with cash to spare.

9m is the bottom price for Delaney, Dortmund are looking for more as there are a few clubs interested. 

[revolution saint]

Isn’t the French league where all the bargains are to be had? Any football geek out there know of anyone realistic and decent?

[supersonic]

Wonder if Fofana being out for the season means we get a call from Leicester about Vestergaard now?

[Matthew Le God]

No idea if he is reliable or how he would know, but this Portuguese journalist (with a blue verified tick and 25k followers) says...

 

Edited 4 August, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[SKD]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

No idea if he is reliable but this Portuguese journalist (with a blue verified tick and 25k followers) says...

 

Which is only c.£10m less than we sold ings for. Shocking business. 

[S-Clarke]

That is a hell of a lot of money for him if true, and pretty much the entire budget gone on one player.

Overpaid if that's the fee.

15m tops for me.

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, SKD said:

Which is only c.£10m less than we sold ings for. Shocking business. 

He is five years younger, five more years of football to get out of him and potentially a much bigger future transfer fee to be had.

[Saint Matty 76]

2 minutes ago, SKD said:

Which is only c.£10m less than we sold ings for. Shocking business. 

He's also 5 years younger, come on now.

[SKD]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

He is five years younger, five more years of football to get out of him and potentially a much bigger future transfer fee to be had.

Not fit to lace ings boots. Who gives a shit if he’s 5 years younger, he won’t replace his goals. 

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, SKD said:

Not fit to lace ings boots. Who gives a shit if he’s 5 years younger, he won’t replace his goals. 

Why have you written him off already? How do you think Armstrong managed to have a better Championship season than Ings ever managed?

[warwicksaint]

Just now, SKD said:

Not fit to lace ings boots. Who gives a shit if he’s 5 years younger, he won’t replace his goals. 

Christ you’re negative, the lad just netted 28 goals in a very average Blackburn side. Rickie scored 27 for us in the season we went up and he’s a club legend. Give the man a chance at least 

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, SKD said:

Not fit to lace ings boots. Who gives a shit if he’s 5 years younger, he won’t replace his goals. 

If you have a look at Armstrong and watch him, you'd be mistaken for thinking you're watching Ings. They play a very similar game, look very similar players. His goal totals, albeit at a lower level, are huge.

The fee, if that is the fee, is way too much and we've overpaid...but that doesn't mean he isn't a suitable replacement.

Edited 4 August, 2021 by S-Clarke

[supersonic]

6 minutes ago, SKD said:

Which is only c.£10m less than we sold ings for. Shocking business. 

And what's your realistic suggestion then? 

[SKD]

Just now, supersonic said:

And what's your realistic suggestion then? 

Well we’ve either overpaid or under sold. Ill let you decide. 

[SKD]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Why have you written him off already? How do you think Armstrong managed to have a better Championship season than Ings ever managed?

 

2 minutes ago, warwicksaint said:

Christ you’re negative, the lad just netted 28 goals in a very average Blackburn side. Rickie scored 27 for us in the season we went up and he’s a club legend. Give the man a chance at least 

 

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

If you have a look at Armstrong and watch him, you'd be mistaken for thinking you're watching Ings. They play a very similar game, look very similar players. His goal totals, albeit at a lower level, are huge.

The fee, if that is the fee, is way too much and we've overpaid...but that doesn't mean he isn't a suitable replacement.

Why didn’t Villa just buy Armstrong then? Younger, cheaper, just as good (apparently…).

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, SKD said:

Well we’ve either overpaid or under sold. Ill let you decide. 

You ignored @supersonic 's question.

[warwicksaint]

Just now, SKD said:

 

 

Why didn’t Villa just buy Armstrong then? Younger, cheaper, just as good (apparently…).

Perhaps they viewed Watkins, buendia and Bailey as their young talent and wanted a bit more experience. Not every club is in the exact same position

[Matthew Le God]

5 minutes ago, SKD said:

Why didn’t Villa just buy Armstrong then? Younger, cheaper, just as good (apparently…).

There is an element of risk going for Armstrong due to him not playing at this level before. However there is a potentially bigger upside. If he has two good seasons with us his value would be huge and he'd still only be 26 years old in the summer of 2023.

Where as in 2 years Ings will be 31 and only have 1 year left on his contract, his value will be lower than the £30m paid for him.

Villa prefer one option, we may go for the other option. We don't know which will turn out better. They may also both work out well for all parties.

Edited 4 August, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[tajjuk]

18 minutes ago, warwicksaint said:

Perhaps they viewed Watkins, buendia and Bailey as their young talent and wanted a bit more experience. Not every club is in the exact same position

I think I read that Smith actually mentioned something about that, being a bit of a leader, very professional, good for the younger players etc. 

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Also £20 million might be overpaying for Armstrong, but Villa over paid for Ings, Man City are over paying for Grealish and round it goes.

Plus it seems like several clubs might be interested in Armstrong so that has probably driven the price up. 

Also I do wonder whether the club will just sign a player out of left field and all this Armstrong link is just agent talk, we have signed quite a few players before with not much paper/social media talk before IIRC. 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

If we want a direct comparison, Ings scored 20 goals in 40 games in his last Championship season, for a promoted club. Armstrong has 28 in 40 for a club that struggled, albeit at 2 years older

[SKD]

2 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

If we want a direct comparison, Ings scored 20 goals in 40 games in his last Championship season, for a promoted club. Armstrong has 28 in 40 for a club that struggled, albeit at 2 years older

It’s a stupid comparison. Many players have scored a hat full in the championship and not in the premier league and vice versa. 
 

Ings played at Liverpool, clearly improved there and came to us and basically kept us up the last 2 seasons. 
 

It’s a huge downgrade, let’s not try and dress it up any other way. 
 

I actually feel for the lad, I’ve given him a bashing. I don’t think he’s a bad signing, just not a good enough replacement. 
 

we need him And another. Do we have £ to do so..? I doubt it. 

[Turkish]

 

[tajjuk]

From what I have seen of him, he's quick, has good movement, seems to get across the defender well, can score comfortably with either foot, takes a good pen and looks like he has decent work rate, even wins a header or two despite being pretty low. 

He honestly looks like a little pest. 

If we look at last two seasons, 80 starts, 44 goals, 11 assists for a mid table championship side. 

[Turkish]

At least we can pay the loan fee for Brandon Williams now 🥳

[Ex Lion Tamer]

24 minutes ago, SKD said:

It’s a stupid comparison. Many players have scored a hat full in the championship and not in the premier league and vice versa. 
 

Ings played at Liverpool, clearly improved there and came to us and basically kept us up the last 2 seasons. 
 

It’s a huge downgrade, let’s not try and dress it up any other way. 
 

I actually feel for the lad, I’ve given him a bashing. I don’t think he’s a bad signing, just not a good enough replacement. 
 

we need him And another. Do we have £ to do so..? I doubt it. 

I just don't think it's realistic to think we can bring in someone as good as Ings. He's top class, apart from his injury record. But it doesn't mean we'll get relegated with his replacement

[Saint86]

30 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

Now that really would be a dissapointment if he's out main option - which seems to be the case. 

[Matthew Le God]

32 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

How can it be an 'exclusive' if they are basing it on reports from elsewhere?

Plus the absence of a link to these reports is notable. 

[Mustapha Fag]

1 hour ago, SKD said:

Not fit to lace ings boots. Who gives a shit if he’s 5 years younger, he won’t replace his goals. 

Hooray that's the spirit

No point not winding people up

Good job it's only pre-season moaning and your not fully groan fit yet, still two weeks before you can go all out

[SambaMaverick]

Said it before and I'll say it again. Spend the 40m we've got on Armstrong and Edouard. They can't both be shit. Delaney in on a loan to buy and Lookman on loan and we've had a decent window.

Anything other than 4 signings from this point would leave us perilously close to trouble.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

18 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

How can it be an 'exclusive' if they are basing it on reports from elsewhere?

Plus the absence of a link to these reports is notable. 

They got it from here. Don't know if reliable

 

[Danbert]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9862779/Norwich-make-15m-bid-Blackburn-striker-Adam-Armstrong-beat-Southampton-Watford.html

[skintsaint]

So this transfer window we are about 23m quid up at this stage. Put that on top of a transfer budget we would already have had we should expect a few decent buys in. (waits for the last minute loanees).

 

 

[Far que]

Hit the bargain basement hard saints,no cash here,here there’s no cash

[Fitzhugh Fella]

16 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Although I am pleased it seems we can still compete in the market and attract players over other clubs I would argue more needs to be done this window. All 3 new signings have yet to play one minute of PL football and they are bound to need time to settle. So that leaves us with what we finished with last season minus Bertrand and Minamino. We remain a brittle erratic team that needs more grit and experience for what is bound to be a tough year. If all our players turn up and we keep Ings, Vestergaard and Ward-Prowse then there is hope but to pin our survival odds on two academy players and an import from a struggling French side is not enough. 
The goalkeeper situation is a concern too. Surely Ralph can’t continue with alternating? 

This aged well