Summer Transfer Window 2021

[Cartman]

2 hours ago, Cartman said:

Tom Leach says we want a ball carrying CB who can do a job at DM and when we signed Livramento it was said that it wasn't the last purchase with buy back from a big 6 club that we were trying to make.

2 + 2 = 5

Ethan Ampadu?

In light of recent events... Eddie Nketiah?

[SuperSAINT]

32 minutes ago, Cartman said:

Tom Leach says we want a ball carrying CB who can do a job at DM and when we signed Livramento it was said that it wasn't the last purchase with buy back from a big 6 club that we were trying to make.

2 + 2 = 5

Ethan Ampadu?

Good shout.

[SuperSAINT]

 

[beatlesaint]

4 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

‘We lose an important striker who scored a lot of goals and we must split the goals he scored amongst our player, on their shoulder. Three more goals, four more goals from them and they can maybe replace him.

"We will hopefully get two or three more in and I am sure that we will replace him. We must have a look at what striker we need but we have a few alternatives, in Che, Longy, Obafemi and Redmond can play up front."

Gulp 🙁
Nathan Redmond…….fkin seriously Ralph ??

Edited 4 August, 2021 by beatlesaint

[Billy the Kidd]

Interesting news from Leicester, looks like Fafana just broke his leg. Be surprised if they didn’t move for Vesty. 

[SuperSAINT]

So 2 or 3 more (maybe)

- Striker (obviously)

- centre-back / dm (either 1 of each or 1 who can play both)

- Left-back (if I'm being greedy - surely if we wanted Doig, we can afford him now)

[MarkSFC]

3 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

‘We lose an important striker who scored a lot of goals and we must split the goals he scored amongst our player, on their shoulder. Three more goals, four more goals from them and they can maybe replace him.

"We will hopefully get two or three more in and I am sure that we will replace him. We must have a look at what striker we need but we have a few alternatives, in Che, Longy, Obafemi and Redmond can play up front."

Gulp 🙁
Nathan Redmond…….fkin seriously Ralph ??

Would rather Walcott played "up front" than Redmond. 

[SuperSAINT]

4 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Interesting news from Leicester, looks like Fafana just broke his leg. Be surprised if they didn’t move for Vesty. 

Poor guy.  Hope it's not a bad one.

[Baird of the land]

Whenever Ralph starts talking about Redmond as a striker I get worried. We really need someone with an eye for goal, as we’ve got pace but not really any finishers.

Ampadu is an interesting one. Would have thought he might cost a lot but maybe his star has waned in chelsea’s Eyes after his time at Sheffield utd. I’d personally like to see a proper dm come in rather than a cb who can fill in there, which is my gut feeling on ampadu.

[Saint Scott]

3 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

So 2 or 3 more (maybe)

- Striker (obviously)

- centre-back / dm (either 1 of each or 1 who can play both)

- Left-back (if I'm being greedy - surely if we wanted Doig, we can afford him now)

If we can keep vesty, bring in Armstrong, Delaney plus competition for perraud then will be a good reinvestment from the ings money.

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

‘We lose an important striker who scored a lot of goals and we must split the goals he scored amongst our player, on their shoulder. Three more goals, four more goals from them and they can maybe replace him.

"We will hopefully get two or three more in and I am sure that we will replace him. We must have a look at what striker we need but we have a few alternatives, in Che, Longy, Obafemi and Redmond can play up front."

Gulp 🙁
Nathan Redmond…….fkin seriously Ralph ??

Imagine a front two of Redmond and Long 🤣🤣🤣

[Billy the Kidd]

1 minute ago, SuperSAINT said:

Poor guy.  Hope it's not a bad one.

Looks like it is, but like when the leg hangs in the sock. 
Poor guy, really rate him. 

[Turkish]

Just now, Baird of the land said:

Whenever Ralph starts talking about Redmond as a striker I get worried. We really need someone with an eye for goal, as we’ve got pace but not really any finishers.

Ampadu is an interesting one. Would have thought he might cost a lot but maybe his star has waned in chelsea’s Eyes after his time at Sheffield utd. I’d personally like to see a proper dm come in rather than a cb who can fill in there, which is my gut feeling on ampadu.

Tonight was classic Redmond. Did well and got himself into a good position, a decent player slots it into the bottom corner, he took not one but two touches too many and a defender came from miles away to nip it off his toe. No way is he a striker 

[TWar]

Keep the rebuild going, get Vest out the door and spend the £50m or so on some excellent replacements

[Saints foreva]

It's 2021, Shane Long should be nowhere near our squad for fuck sake. He's not even good enough for the League below. 

[SuperSAINT]

Leicester will be flush with cash if they sell Maddison.

[Billy the Kidd]

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Edited 4 August, 2021 by Billy the Kidd

[S-Clarke]

5 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

Would rather Walcott played "up front" than Redmond. 

What is it with coaches and Redmond? Even Puel came in and tried to tell us he was like 'Henry'. He must look like some sort of prime Henry in training or something, but he's absolutely hopeless when push comes to shove and the pressure is on.

[MarkSFC]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

What is it with coaches and Redmond? Even Puel came in and tried to tell us he was like 'Henry'. He must look like some sort of prime Henry in training or something, but he's absolutely hopeless when push comes to shove and the pressure is on.

He flatters to deceive in e ery respect. He's the one we need to sell, more than Vestergaard (unless he isn't signing).

[Billy the Kidd]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

What is it with coaches and Redmond? Even Puel came in and tried to tell us he was like 'Henry'. He must look like some sort of prime Henry in training or something, but he's absolutely hopeless when push comes to shove and the pressure is on.

I thought he was better this summer, but tonight capped off what I think of him. When he went through late on, he cut inside, instead of going outside and shooting or playing it to Ely, and basically went inside where their defenders were. 
 

As soon as he cut inside I never thought he would score. Should have laid it off for Ely. 

[badgerx16]

I sometimes feel Ralph's words reflect a manager who is hiding the reality of how bad the situation really is from us, and is delivering the positive spin generated by the PR team on behalf of the Board whilst knowing it is really BS.

Edited 4 August, 2021 by badgerx16

[Turkish]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

I sometimes feel Ralph's words reflect a manager who is hiding the reality of how bad the situation really is from us, and is delivering the positive spin generated by the PR team on behalf of the Board.

That’s exactly what’s he’s doing.

[woodsaint1]

1 minute ago, TWar said:

Keep the rebuild going, get Vest out the door and spend the £50m or so on some excellent replacements

If we could guarantee 'excellent' replacements then yes, but we cant. Leaving the Vestergaard situation aside, would like to see two strikers (Armstrong plus one other) as Obafemi could go the other way and Long is...well Long. Its a big risk to rely on a Championship striker to replace Ings' goals/contribution. Hopefully we can pick up another promising striker from Europe to give more depth. Would also like to see Delaney sign, or another DM 

[TWar]

2 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

If we could guarantee 'excellent' replacements then yes, but we cant. Leaving the Vestergaard situation aside, would like to see two strikers (Armstrong plus one other) as Obafemi could go the other way and Long is...well Long. Its a big risk to rely on a Championship striker to replace Ings' goals/contribution. Hopefully we can pick up another promising striker from Europe to give more depth. Would also like to see Delaney sign, or another DM 

Can never guarantee these things, but we had to replace him at some point. Even if he signed a deal this is probably around the peak of his value (we'd be getting more obviously as we could pick our price). Good time to reinvest to be honest.

Edited 4 August, 2021 by TWar

[Baird of the land]

9 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I sometimes feel Ralph's words reflect a manager who is hiding the reality of how bad the situation really is from us, and is delivering the positive spin generated by the PR team on behalf of the Board whilst knowing it is really BS.

Think he’s just aware his job is to build a team. If the alternative is a halfhearted player and Ralph not getting any money to replace him with if he walked for free, his relief at getting this done before the season is understandable.

[miserableoldgit]

3 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

If we could guarantee 'excellent' replacements then yes, but we cant. Leaving the Vestergaard situation aside, would like to see two strikers (Armstrong plus one other) as Obafemi could go the other way and Long is...well Long. Its a big risk to rely on a Championship striker to replace Ings' goals/contribution. Hopefully we can pick up another promising striker from Europe to give more depth. Would also like to see Delaney sign, or another DM 

Not sure why a prolific scorer from the Championship can't be "promising". Does being from Europe make them naturally better than Championship players? What if the promising player from the Championship is European? At least a player from the Championship would already be used to living in this country and would presumably be used to the language etc,

[Pamplemousse]

Just now, miserableoldgit said:

Not sure why a prolific scorer from the Championship can't be "promising". Does being from Europe make them naturally better than Championship players? What if the promising player from the Championship is European? At least a player from the Championship would already be used to living in this country and would presumably be used to the language etc,

I remember the meltdown when we signed Jay Rodriguez, he was overpriced apparently.

[woodsaint1]

1 minute ago, miserableoldgit said:

Not sure why a prolific scorer from the Championship can't be "promising". Does being from Europe make them naturally better than Championship players? What if the promising player from the Championship is European? At least a player from the Championship would already be used to living in this country and would presumably be used to the language etc,

Where did I say Armstrong wasnt promising? He looks like he would be a good addition, but to ask him alone to replace Ings is a big ask imo. Europe was just an example, but think theres better value in those leagues compared to Championship. We're being quoted 20mill for a player with one year left so to chase another english based player would see the Ings money gone in no time

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Think he’s just aware his job is to build a team. If the alternative is a halfhearted player and Ralph not getting any money to replace him with if he walked for free, his relief at getting this done before the season is understandable.

It was the sense that although he mentioned 'working out what kind of striker we need', he seemed to hint that with Adams, Long, Obafemi, and Redmond we already had options. Even should we bring in a new striker, three of those 4 are NOT options to play alongside him. ( I was surprised he didn't include Tella, who certainly is a better bet than Long, Oba, or Redmond ).

[stevy777_x]

Do NOT sign Armstrong. Totally Unproven in the premier league, i m unsure he has the strength and pace to make an impact in the league
 

Odsonne Edouard is exactly the type of striker we should replace Ings with, has a bit of everything, skill decent pace finesse

[SuperSAINT]

2 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Do NOT sign Armstrong. Totally Unproven in the premier league, i m unsure he has the strength and pace to make an impact in the league
 

Odsonne Edouard is exactly the type of striker we should replace Ings with, has a bit of everything, skill decent pace finesse

Interesting  

I will say this about Armstrong - We must be VERY sure he's the one for us with the money we're going to have to pay for him.

Edited 4 August, 2021 by SuperSAINT

[Badger]

Just now, stevy777_x said:

Do NOT sign Armstrong. Totally Unproven in the premier league, i m unsure he has the strength and pace to make an impact in the league
 

Odsonne Edouard is exactly the type of striker we should replace Ings with, has a bit of everything, skill decent pace finesse

And equally unproven in the premier league. 

You might of course be right but several strikers have made the step up from the Championship.

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Do NOT sign Armstrong. Totally Unproven in the premier league, i m unsure he has the strength and pace to make an impact in the league
 

Odsonne Edouard is exactly the type of striker we should replace Ings with, has a bit of everything, skill decent pace finesse

Don’t sign a striker because he is unproven in the premier league. Instead sign another striker who is unproven in the premier league. 

[davefizzy14]

Hoping Edouard is one we bring in.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

11 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

It was the sense that although he mentioned 'working out what kind of striker we need', he seemed to hint that with Adams, Long, Obafemi, and Redmond we already had options. Even should we bring in a new striker, three of those 4 are NOT options to play alongside him. ( I was surprised he didn't include Tella, who certainly is a better bet than Long, Oba, or Redmond ).

People need to stop taking everything Ralph says as gospel. He's just reeled off a few players to give them encouragement

[Baird of the land]

Not really convinced by Eduoard. If we’re bidding in Scotland the only striker i’d Want is Morelos.

[Matthew Le God]

14 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Do NOT sign Armstrong. Totally Unproven in the premier league, i m unsure he has the strength and pace to make an impact in the league
 

Odsonne Edouard is exactly the type of striker we should replace Ings with, has a bit of everything, skill decent pace finesse

Are you aware how this is nonsense?

You dismiss Armstrong for being unproven but.. both Armstrong and Edouard are unproven in the Premier League.

If anything Armstrong is current playing in a far superior league. The Championship is a long way above the Scottish top flight for quality.

Edited 4 August, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

People need to stop taking everything Ralph says as gospel. He's just reeled off a few players to give them encouragement

It's not exactly encouraging the fans though.

[Give it to Ron]

6 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

People need to stop taking everything Ralph says as gospel. He's just reeled off a few players to give them encouragement

….and he forgot Theo too lol

[Saints foreva]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

Are you aware how this is nonsense?

Both Armstrong and Edouard are unproven in the Premier League.

If anything Armstrong is current playing in a far superior league. The Championship is a long way above the Scottish top flight for quality.

Two people already made that point to him but why not go for the hattrick. 😜

[Ex Lion Tamer]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

Are you aware how this is nonsense?

Both Armstrong and Edouard are unproven in the Premier League.

If anything Armstrong is current playing in a far superior league. The Championship is a long way above the Scottish top flight for quality.

What he said does actually make sense. He's evaluated both players based on their attributes, and given doubts over Armstrong's attributes, it is particularly relevant that he is unproven in the Premier League.

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

What he said does actually make sense. He's evaluated both players based on their attributes, and given doubts over Armstrong's attributes, it is particularly relevant that he is unproven in the Premier League.

He isn't being consistent in his argument. You can't dismiss one player for not having a certain level of experience and then suggest an alternative who is playing at an even lower level of football.

Edited 4 August, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[verlaine1979]

Based on highlights (which is all I've seen of either) Edouard looks to have attributes the attack is currently missing (power, height, bit of pace), that Armstrong wouldn't bring. We'd have more options of how to play with Edouard, so if those were the only two options on the table, I'd go with him.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He isn't being consistent in his argument. You can't dismiss one player for not having a certain level of experience and then suggest an alternative who is playing at an even lower level of football.

Yes you can, because he is more confident that Edouard will make the step up based on his physical attributes

[madge]

If we end up losing out to Norwich then just shows the level of our ambition and the level of incompetence at the club. The ings deal happened rapidly but I’d imagine it’s been drawn up for a week or so already. To be fair it’s decent money for a player who’s chances of playing a full season are not that high. But we’ll be considerably weaker as a result in my opinion , no matter who comes in, if any. Who knows what Gao will do with the money, I wouldn’t be surprised if not all the money is spent. I just can’t help thinking we’re kick off from where we ended last season, it’s hard to see any positives at the moment. Club needs a new owner.

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Yes you can, because he is more confident that Edouard will make the step up based on his physical attributes

Which physical attributes? Armstrong isn't slow. To dismiss him for being small is also daft.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Which physical attributes? Armstrong isn't slow. To dismiss him for being small is also daft

You'll have to take that up with him. I'm just explaining why you misunderstood

[Puddings and Monkeys]

5 minutes ago, madge said:

If we end up losing out to Norwich then just shows the level of our ambition and the level of incompetence at the club. The ings deal happened rapidly but I’d imagine it’s been drawn up for a week or so already. To be fair it’s decent money for a player who’s chances of playing a full season are not that high. But we’ll be considerably weaker as a result in my opinion , no matter who comes in, if any. Who knows what Gao will do with the money, I wouldn’t be surprised if not all the money is spent. I just can’t help thinking we’re kick off from where we ended last season, it’s hard to see any positives at the moment. Club needs a new owner.

It really doesn't; it just shows they were prepared to spend more than we were.  Money talks.

[saintwbu]

I don’t think we’re lacking pace - Adams, Tella, Obafemi, Walcott and to a lesser extent Redmond and Armstrong all bring that in attacking areas. But pace only gets you so far, so if one of Edouard and Armstrong is quick and one is a good finisher, i’d rather have the good finisher please.

[Matthew Le God]

9 minutes ago, madge said:

If we end up losing out to Norwich then just shows the level of our ambition 

We can blow Norwich out of the water if it comes down to wages. Our wage structure is considerably higher than theirs.

Edited 4 August, 2021 by Matthew Le God