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Saint86

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  On 01/08/2021 at 19:27, Wade Garrett said:

Grealish is quality and was criminally underused by Southgate in the Euros.

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In all seriousness.... Southgate is shit 🙄 Nice guy, built a team spirit etc etc. but tactically he's dire.
 

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Saint Matty 76

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Without wanting to go full MLG, he did post on here after the tweet from The Athletic, at which point people on Twitter were already suggesting it could be us.

The same guy from The Athletic said that Watford were not in the mix a few hours ago.

Badger

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  On 01/08/2021 at 20:43, Saint Matty 76 said:

Maybe just a lazy link as we've been mentioned before, but hopefully not.

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Why ? Thought he looked good in the Euro's and would bring some tenacity and experience to us.

  On 01/08/2021 at 21:23, Appy said:
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Potentially a good signing if true,  but another 'one for the future', or back up for KWP now ?

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HarvSFC

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Damn, much like Simeu, I know nothing of him, other than him being highly regarded at Chelsea and in various reports they describe him as something special. Could be a right coup.

Appy

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  On 01/08/2021 at 21:28, Badger said:

Why ? Thought he looked good in the Euro's and would bring some tenacity and experience to us.

Potentially a good signing if true,  but another 'one for the future', or back up for KWP now ?

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Back up now I expect 

Saint Matty 76

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  On 01/08/2021 at 21:28, Badger said:

Why ? Thought he looked good in the Euro's and would bring some tenacity and experience to us.

Potentially a good signing if true,  but another 'one for the future', or back up for KWP now ?

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My bad, meant hopefully not a bullshit link. I agree he was great at the Euros and the exact signing I think we need to make.

I'd assume we've given Livramento some promises to join us, so I'd imagine immediate back-up.

DT

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Wow. 
🚨| Southampton are close to completing the signing of 18-year-old Chelsea right-back Tino Livramento, after work to seal a deal moved quickly in the ‘last 48 hours’ #saintsfc [@AdrianJKajumba]

Badger

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  On 01/08/2021 at 21:32, Saint Matty 76 said:

My bad, meant hopefully not a bullshit link. I agree he was great at the Euros and the exact signing I think we need to make.

I'd assume we've given Livramento some promises to join us, so I'd imagine immediate back-up.

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My concern over Delaney is that he appears good mates with Vestergaard, so on asking his buddy about SFC he might be told "oh, yeh, it's really great, you'll love it there. But it's so good I'm looking to fuck off somewhere else ...".

As for LIvramento, whatever else he'll be a lot closer to a call up to the EPL with us than he would in the next decade at Chelsea.

Chez

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If our academy can't bring the quality of player through, attracting talent from Chelsea's makes a lot of sense. Hope they cut the mustard. We certainly offer them a route to the first team.

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woodsaint1

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  On 01/08/2021 at 20:43, Saint Matty 76 said:

Maybe just a lazy link as we've been mentioned before, but hopefully not.

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Must be alot more european clubs interested in him, or perhaps hes set his sights on playing in the PL. If we're genuinely interested I would hope we could get it done over Palace or Norwich (Vestergaard putting a good word in or his awareness of Ralph from his time in the Bundesliga). Would bring another dimension to our midfield and has plenty of experience.

davefizzy14

davefizzy14

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  On 01/08/2021 at 22:05, woodsaint1 said:

Must be alot more european clubs interested in him, or perhaps hes set his sights on playing in the PL. If we're genuinely interested I would hope we could get it done over Palace or Norwich (Vestergaard putting a good word in or his awareness of Ralph from his time in the Bundesliga). Would bring another dimension to our midfield and has plenty of experience.

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Hoping we get Delaney, class player. Hopefully Jannik has put in a good word :)

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saint lard

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Delaney is absolutely class. 
ive wanted us to sign him for a ruddy long time. 
If we were to manage it…I’d be delighted. 
brilliant player….as he showed in the Euros. 
 

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Pilchards

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Wow Tino what a player he is.

Thats proper talent right there and I love the fact we are getting a few talented youngsters in like this to follow the Tella pathway.

This is how you make big money as Tella after a great season can be worth 30m +

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DT

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Must be a buy back clause or perhaps it means Ings will go the other way for not quite as much as we’d hoped. So guessing Armstrong will come in after all. All a bit of a punt obvs

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AlexLaw76

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  On 02/08/2021 at 02:28, Pilchards said:

Wow Tino what a player he is.

Thats proper talent right there and I love the fact we are getting a few talented youngsters in like this to follow the Tella pathway.

This is how you make big money as Tella after a great season can be worth 30m +

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"What a player".........Is he?

How much have you seen of him?  how many first team games has he played?

Sounds like a good signing, but have read on another thread that this signing would be "insane".

what the actual fluck?

Anyway, isn't this link just pure lazy journalism, or agent talk?

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Sunglasses Ron

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  On 02/08/2021 at 06:48, AlexLaw76 said:

"What a player".........Is he?

How much have you seen of him?  how many first team games has he played?

Sounds like a good signing, but have read on another thread that this signing would be "insane".

what the actual fluck?

Anyway, isn't this link just pure lazy journalism, or agent talk?

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Yeah, sounds a descent prospect but I'm not rushing off to get a shirt with his name on it.

Probably much better than a costly loan for Williams if true though. 👍

SNSUN

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So Squad as it stands if we sign Livramento:

 

GK: McCarthy, Forster, Lewis. Verdict - Need a quality number 1 but we won't get it this summer. Just sit on the edge of your seat whenever a backpass is made.

 

FB: KWP, Perraud, Livramento, Valery. Verdict - I guess Valery is off? Is three enough FB's though? Some wouldn't think so. We can obviously discount McQueen despite the contract unless he's Lazarus reincarnated.

 

CB: Vestergaard, Bednarek, Salisu, Stephens. Verdict - Can be improved upon. Will Vestergaard leave or will we keep him for his last year of contract? Anything north of £15 million and surely he's a saleable asset if someone wants him. We would need a new CB though, even with Simeu waiting in the wings.

 

CM: JWP, Romeu, Diallo, Smallbone.  Verdict - Still light here but with Armstrong able to slot in I don't think we'll prioritise the position.

 

AM: Redmond, Djenepo, Armstrong, Elyounoussi, Walcott. - Verdict - Again I personally think we are still light here even with Tella able to slot in and youngsters like Watts able to step up. Elyounoussi going out on loan again potentially would definitely leave us short IMO.

 

STR: Ings, Adams, Tella, Obafemi, Long. Verdict - Pretty happy with the initial 4some, but big questions over Ings. I still feel we should sell him if we can, so that we have a transfer fee to go out and sign a replacement. Lose him next summer for free could be risky. Just IMO. I'd be surprised if Long were still with us at the start of the window.

 

Youth - Chauke, Watts, Ferry, Olufunwa and Finnigan have all been in Ralph's plans this year so we'll see how much game time they get.

 

It's getting there. Enough to stave off relegation for another season anyway IMO. It also depends on how other teams do (Premier League gets more competitive every year, especially with the likes of Villa and Leeds now back in it and performing strongly). HOWEVER with a month still left of the transfer window, anything could happen. We still need to shift a couple of players, a couple of players could well be bought, and IMO we still need another GK, FB, CB, CM and AM to be truly competitive, not that it will happen!

ErwinK1961

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  On 02/08/2021 at 06:36, DT said:

Must be a buy back clause or perhaps it means Ings will go the other way for not quite as much as we’d hoped. So guessing Armstrong will come in after all. All a bit of a punt obvs

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That positivity lasted for 7 minutes huh? 

 

  On 02/08/2021 at 06:30, DT said:

That Livramento deal is an outstanding bit of work. Well done Mr Crocker. Take a bow. 

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DT

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  On 02/08/2021 at 07:12, ErwinK1961 said:

That positivity lasted for 7 minutes huh? 

 

 

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Yes, as there is a buy back clause and a sell on one too, so effectively it's only a little better than a loan. This is what I suspect Brighton wouldn't run to. Either way, though, it's a very good addition. We get a good player and Chelsea don't lose out on a prospect, long term. We are effectively giving them a place to play for a bit, whilst keeping one hand on his future. Which is probably our best model for the time being.

DT

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  On 02/08/2021 at 07:08, SNSUN said:

So Squad as it stands if we sign Livramento:

 

GK: McCarthy, Forster, Lewis. Verdict - Need a quality number 1 but we won't get it this summer. Just sit on the edge of your seat whenever a backpass is made.

 

FB: KWP, Perraud, Livramento, Valery. Verdict - I guess Valery is off? Is three enough FB's though? Some wouldn't think so. We can obviously discount McQueen despite the contract unless he's Lazarus reincarnated.

 

CB: Vestergaard, Bednarek, Salisu, Stephens. Verdict - Can be improved upon. Will Vestergaard leave or will we keep him for his last year of contract? Anything north of £15 million and surely he's a saleable asset if someone wants him. We would need a new CB though, even with Simeu waiting in the wings.

 

CM: JWP, Romeu, Diallo, Smallbone.  Verdict - Still light here but with Armstrong able to slot in I don't think we'll prioritise the position.

 

AM: Redmond, Djenepo, Armstrong, Elyounoussi, Walcott. - Verdict - Again I personally think we are still light here even with Tella able to slot in and youngsters like Watts able to step up. Elyounoussi going out on loan again potentially would definitely leave us short IMO.

 

STR: Ings, Adams, Tella, Obafemi, Long. Verdict - Pretty happy with the initial 4some, but big questions over Ings. I still feel we should sell him if we can, so that we have a transfer fee to go out and sign a replacement. Lose him next summer for free could be risky. Just IMO. I'd be surprised if Long were still with us at the start of the window.

 

Youth - Chauke, Watts, Ferry, Olufunwa and Finnigan have all been in Ralph's plans this year so we'll see how much game time they get.

 

It's getting there. Enough to stave off relegation for another season anyway IMO. It also depends on how other teams do (Premier League gets more competitive every year, especially with the likes of Villa and Leeds now back in it and performing strongly). HOWEVER with a month still left of the transfer window, anything could happen. We still need to shift a couple of players, a couple of players could well be bought, and IMO we still need another GK, FB, CB, CM and AM to be truly competitive, not that it will happen!

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Why we don't invest in a decent keeper is beyond me. McCarthy's calamitous distribution sends ripples throughout the side, and will cause quite a few draws turning into losses. 

Badger

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  On 02/08/2021 at 07:19, SuperSAINT said:

Likely.  But for that to be a problem he would have to become good enough for them to trigger it (in which case is good news for us).

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Depending on amount set, if it's simply that Chelsea have first option then fine, but if it's £15-20m then it isn't.

SKD

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  On 02/08/2021 at 08:25, Badger said:

Depending on amount set, if it's simply that Chelsea have first option then fine, but if it's £15-20m then it isn't.

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Suspect it’ll be an outright buy back, as they had with Ake (refused to take it up). 
 

It’ll be interesting to see what the clause is, I’d guess somewhere between 25-30m. This could Look very cheap in 3 years time but I suppose it’s good for us if it does, as he’s been brought in for Next to Nothing and whilst losing him under value, it’ll mean we’ve had 2/3 good seasons from Him. 

VectisSaint

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  On 02/08/2021 at 07:52, DT said:

Why we don't invest in a decent keeper is beyond me. McCarthy's calamitous distribution sends ripples throughout the side, and will cause quite a few draws turning into losses. 

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I reckon we still will. Don't forget we have already offloaded Gunn, Forster going is still a possibility, and we have been linked with keepers. Getting a new keeper in before the season starts is not so critical as outfield players, and what we have is (just about) adequate to start.

DT

DT

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  On 02/08/2021 at 09:53, VectisSaint said:

I reckon we still will. Don't forget we have already offloaded Gunn, Forster going is still a possibility, and we have been linked with keepers. Getting a new keeper in before the season starts is not so critical as outfield players, and what we have is (just about) adequate to start.

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God, I hope you're right. Out of the two I prefer Forster as I think he's less prone to major calamities and instils a mite more confidence. But getting a better option in would be great.

tajjuk

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The Sun says apparently we want £6 million for Obafemi and Blackburn are interested, surely a deal can be done there with Blackburn regarding Armstrong? Especially as it would basically reduce the sell on clause they have to give Newcastle? 

£9-10 million up front, £4-5 million for performance based add ons, plus Obafemi, that would be pushing nearer their £23 million valuation. 

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Ex Lion Tamer

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  On 02/08/2021 at 10:42, tajjuk said:

The Sun says apparently we want £6 million for Obafemi and Blackburn are interested, surely a deal can be done there with Blackburn regarding Armstrong? Especially as it would basically reduce the sell on clause they have to give Newcastle? 

£9-10 million up front, £4-5 million for performance based add ons, plus Obafemi, that would be pushing nearer their £23 million valuation. 

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You would hope, but we still need Blackburn to come down to a sensible asking price, or we're being ripped off. Which means playing a waiting game

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SKD

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  On 02/08/2021 at 10:42, tajjuk said:

The Sun says apparently we want £6 million for Obafemi and Blackburn are interested, surely a deal can be done there with Blackburn regarding Armstrong? Especially as it would basically reduce the sell on clause they have to give Newcastle? 

£9-10 million up front, £4-5 million for performance based add ons, plus Obafemi, that would be pushing nearer their £23 million valuation. 

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I can’t be the only one who thinks there is no value in Armstrong at anything close to 23m. That’s the same price as Patson Daka went for, ffs. I bet we don’t get much more than that for Ings. 
 

We need to walk away from this one if that’s seriously what they’re valuing him at.

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tajjuk

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  On 02/08/2021 at 10:58, SKD said:

I can’t be the only one who thinks there is no value in Armstrong at anything close to 23m. That’s the same price as Patson Daka went for, ffs. I bet we don’t get much more than that for Ings. 
 

We need to walk away from this one if that’s seriously what they’re valuing him at.

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£23 million is a lot for any Championship player IMO, but even more so one in the last year of his contract. 

But to be honest if we 'paid' with Obafemi making up 30-40% of the deal and actually paid out only around £10 million up front then I think we would have basically bought him for not a huge amount because Obafemi has not really played much role in the first team. 

TWar

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  On 02/08/2021 at 11:05, Uncle Albert said:

Suddenly this window is looking on the up for us again.

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People were panicking because we hadn't done much but tbf no one had done much. All of a sudden everything is go! Probably waiting on the last players to return from euros

tajjuk

tajjuk

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  On 02/08/2021 at 11:05, Uncle Albert said:

Suddenly this window is looking on the up for us again.

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If we get the two Chelsea youngsters, in addition to Perraud, and then get someone like Delaney in, plus Armstrong, AND get rid of Long, in addition to having already got rid off Lemina, Hoedt, Gunn, then yeh that could be an amazing window.

But there is still the big question of Ings and Vestergaard.

I feel like we are moving pieces round the edges pretty well but the biggest moves are still yet undecided. 

Ex Lion Tamer

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  On 02/08/2021 at 11:07, tajjuk said:

£23 million is a lot for any Championship player IMO, but even more so one in the last year of his contract. 

But to be honest if we 'paid' with Obafemi making up 30-40% of the deal and actually paid out only around £10 million up front then I think we would have basically bought him for not a huge amount because Obafemi has not really played much role in the first team. 

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The extra problem is Blackburn don't think Oba is worth £6m

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