Lee On Solent Saint Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 07:39, SuperSAINT said: Especially when they are just about to get £100m. Expand I agree. If City are willing to pay 100m for Grealish, then why should we just roll over and accept anything less than 45m? Of course JWP and Grealish are different types of player, but the fact we are looking at is their value to the respective clubs. Grealish is Villa's main man, and in many respects JWP is our main man. If other clubs want main players from other teams, then the buying club should expect to pay over the odds. We sold Mane short, we simply cannot afford to make the same mistake with JWP. 5
tajjuk Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 (edited) Clearly a lot of people who don't watch Sancho, he's a lot better than Grealish IMO and has the pedigree to back that up, just look at the numbers, performing regularly at the highest level, whereas Grealish has had one good PL season basically. Grealish is good but has to be the most over rated player in the league right now, I don't get the fuss. But also extremely weird that on one hand people will accept the Grealish fee and then at the same time think expecting over £50 million for JWP is far too much, shows how stupidly our fans under rated players. Grealish simply is not that much better than JWP and honestly I think he'll flop at City, he's not better than Sterling, Mahrez and personally I think Bernardo Silva will come good as well. As for people using Varane as a comparison, not a valid comparison. Varane only had a year on his deal, Real are struggling financially (and Varane had HUGE wages) plus Varane has injury issues. Edited 1 August, 2021 by tajjuk 3
BARCELONASAINT Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 All the JWP haters and yes there are plenty among our fan base can do one. The lad is not going to Villa and has no interest in going them. In this ridiculous market if Grealish is worth £100 mill then JWP is worth north of £50 mill every day of the week. Villa are losing Grealish to City and are rightly making sure their fanbase can see them being interested in quality replacements EVEN if they have no chance of obtaining some of the players they are being linked with. I'm sure they would like JWP if they could get him for peanuts, hence the derisory offer, but i'm sure they know Saints are not selling and JWP is not interested , it's all a PR exercise.......one i'm sure Saints themselves have deployed many times "look we tried but it became very difficult" 3
LuckyNumber7 Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 08:15, tajjuk said: Clearly a lot of people who don't watch Sancho, he's a lot better than Grealish IMO and has the pedigree to back that up, just look at the numbers, performing regularly at the highest level, whereas Grealish has had one good PL season basically. Grealish is good but has to be the most over rated player in the league right now, I don't get the fuss. But also extremely weird that on one hand people will accept the Grealish fee and then at the same time think expecting over £50 million for JWP is far too much, shows how stupidly our fans under rated players. Grealish simply is not that much better than JWP and honestly I think he'll flop at City, he's not better than Sterling, Mahrez and personally I think Bernardo Silva will come good as well. As for people using Varane as a comparison, not a valid comparison. Varane only had a year on his deal, Real are struggling financially (and Varane had HUGE wages) plus Varane has injury issues. Expand Grealish has had more than one good season in the PL, he pretty much single handedly kept them up the season before last. He is a fantastic player which is backed up by the stats. Sancho is a different type of player anyway and was very good at Dortmund, but is totally unproven in the PL and has failed to impress for England so far. As with everything in life if you want something that isn't for sale you have to pay over the odds, Grealish is hugely important to Villa so they have every right to demand £100m or no sale, especially as they are financially well off. Just as we won't (or shouldn't) sell JWP for less than £50m. He's part of the fabric at Saints, our captain and contributes goals and assists and is coming towards the prime of his career. With four years left on his contract, if we sell it's on our terms. 1
Matthew Le God Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 (edited) On 01/08/2021 at 08:49, BARCELONASAINT said: The lad is not going to Villa and has no interest in going to them. Expand On what is that based? Edited 1 August, 2021 by Matthew Le God 1
Harry_SFC Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 08:49, BARCELONASAINT said: All the JWP haters and yes there are plenty among our fan base can do one. The lad is not going to Villa and has no interest in going them. In this ridiculous market if Grealish is worth £100 mill then JWP is worth north of £50 mill every day of the week. Villa are losing Grealish to City and are rightly making sure their fanbase can see them being interested in quality replacements EVEN if they have no chance of obtaining some of the players they are being linked with. I'm sure they would like JWP if they could get him for peanuts, hence the derisory offer, but i'm sure they know Saints are not selling and JWP is not interested , it's all a PR exercise.......one i'm sure Saints themselves have deployed many times "look we tried but it became very difficult" Expand They've just signed Buendia and Bailey, both players would immediately improve our starting 11. 1
Wimborne_saint Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15749204/chelsea-transfer-ruben-loftus-cheek/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1627812372 Interested in Loftus-Cheek according to this 1
Teddeer Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 10:17, Wimborne_saint said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15749204/chelsea-transfer-ruben-loftus-cheek/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1627812372 Interested in Loftus-Cheek according to this Expand Bloody hope not! 2
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 10:17, Wimborne_saint said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15749204/chelsea-transfer-ruben-loftus-cheek/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1627812372 Interested in Loftus-Cheek according to this Expand This comes up every transfer window now. He's no different than Lemina
Wade Garrett Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 Great player a few years ago, has lost his way but is still young enough to come back to form with the right club and coaching. On 01/08/2021 at 10:17, Wimborne_saint said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15749204/chelsea-transfer-ruben-loftus-cheek/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1627812372 Interested in Loftus-Cheek according to this Expand
Uncle Albert Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 (edited) . Edited 1 August, 2021 by Uncle Albert
East Kent Saint Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 Hmmm Cahill out of contract , can head the ball and experienced , no fee , …..
Chez Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 12:50, East Kent Saint said: Hmmm Cahill out of contract , can head the ball and experienced , no fee , ….. Expand Palace have sent £35m on two new centre backs. There is probably a reason for that. 1
saintwbu Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 13:26, Chez said: Palace have sent £35m on two new centre backs. There is probably a reason for that. Expand They wanted to keep Cahill by the sounds of it but for his big wage demands
S-Clarke Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 One of our former targets, Olivier Ntcham, is available on a freebie. His Celtic contract has come to an end and Marseille didn't take up the chance to sign him. Wonder if we're still interested?
DT Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 Villa ‘undeterred’ apparently and will make second bid. If 30 mill we should still say no. Gut feeling is he’ll go though.
Lighthouse Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 12:50, East Kent Saint said: Hmmm Cahill out of contract , can head the ball and experienced , no fee , ….. Expand ….. born in the mid Cretaceous period. 1
East Kent Saint Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 14:13, Lighthouse said: ….. born in the mid Cretaceous period. Expand 1986 hmmmm ! It seems other leagues in Europe don’t think it’s too old for a season or two !
LiberalCommunist Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 10:26, Teddeer said: Bloody hope not! Expand Another Lemina in my opinion.
TWar Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 14:27, Matthew Le God said: Long time apparent Saints target... Expand I'd take him. Nothing special but as a 4th CM could do a job and we can focus on different areas of the pitch
Wade Garrett Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 12:50, East Kent Saint said: Hmmm Cahill out of contract , can head the ball and experienced , no fee , ….. Expand I would rather sign Tomkins. Quality.
Saint Matty 76 Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 Ntcham seems a bit of a no brainer given our previous interest and the wages he was on at Celtic. I'm sure he'd have better options than being our 4th choice CM though.
Suhari Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 15:03, Saint Matty 76 said: Ntcham seems a bit of a no brainer given our previous interest and the wages he was on at Celtic. I'm sure he'd have better options than being our 4th choice CM though. Expand JWP replacement?
Verbal Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 14:01, DT said: Villa ‘undeterred’ apparently and will make second bid. If 30 mill we should still say no. Gut feeling is he’ll go though. Expand You are Marvin the paranoid android and I claim my five pounds. 1
TWar Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 15:08, Suhari said: JWP replacement? Expand If we wanted to be relegated I guess.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 06:19, tajjuk said: The things said on here, Villa are not a Leicester and Grealish is not worth £65 million more than what JWP is. Grealish is nowhere nowhere nowhere near what City are reportedly paying, Sancho is a better player than Grealish AND is four years younger, and for some weird reason City are paying like £30 million more than what Utd paid. IF it's actually true and goes through then IMO it will be the most baffling transfer in history and one of the most gross overpays ever. This is a guy who can't get a start for England and was playing Championship football 2 years ago where the only people vaguely interested were Spurs who put in half hearted bids for him. £100 million is what you pay for ballon dor winners, not a good winger from a mid table PL club. Also still waiting for someone to show me proof we have spent the loan that people are claiming we need to pay back. Expand If he played for us you’d be creaming yourself 1
stevy777_x Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 15:03, Saint Matty 76 said: Ntcham seems a bit of a no brainer given our previous interest and the wages he was on at Celtic. I'm sure he'd have better options than being our 4th choice CM though. Expand He was utter shit at Marseille who weren t impressed by his professionalism. We should stay well away.
Saint Matty 76 Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 15:44, stevy777_x said: He was utter shit at Marseille who weren t impressed by his professionalism. We should stay well away. Expand Fair enough! No point rebuying Lemina right after getting rid.
Matthew Le God Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 15:54, Saint Matty 76 said: Fair enough! No point rebuying Lemina right after getting rid. Expand It wasn't really 'getting rid', Hasenhuttl has stated he wanted to keep Lemina.
Lighthouse Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 15:56, Matthew Le God said: It wasn't really 'getting rid', Hasenhuttl has stated he wanted to keep Lemina. Expand That’s open to interpretation though. It could mean we wanted to keep him but his attitude was such that we felt compelled to get rid of him.
Saint Matty 76 Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 15:56, Matthew Le God said: It wasn't really 'getting rid', Hasenhuttl has stated he wanted to keep Lemina. Expand Would imagine it was a case of working with what we had due to limited funds, as opposed to actively deciding to bring someone like that in.
qwertyell Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 (edited) On 01/08/2021 at 11:02, Wade Garrett said: Great player a few years ago, has lost his way but is still young enough to come back to form with the right club and coaching. Expand Injury prone, a shadow of himself since rupturing his Achilles, and the antithesis of a Hasenhuttl player - he's a stroller who doesn't work out of possession. Fulham's fans reckoned he was the worst player on the team by a mile last season. 26 in January. He's not going to live up to his potential. Not even close. Edited 1 August, 2021 by qwertyell
SNSUN Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 16:16, qwertyell said: Injury prone, a shadow of himself since rupturing his Achilles, and the antithesis of a Hasenhuttl player - he's a stroller who doesn't work out of possession. Fulham's fans reckoned he was the worst player on the team by a mile last season. 26 in January. He's not going to live up to his potential. Not even close. Expand Listening to TalkSport in the car earlier, they said he was the best player on the pitch today in Chelsea’s friendly. I think he’d be a decent signing for a club our size, but only as a transfer. Then if he does achieve his potential, we benefit from it. Sadly he seems a player that is always close to injury, although Ings proved bad injuries aren’t necessarily the death knell of footballers they used to be. Not to mention I doubt we could afford him anyway, Ntcham on a free seems the more likely of the two. On another topic, Ralph says we have enough options in attack now. While I disagree, it is something that can be pushed to January, especially if we keep Ings and if he plans to use Elyounoussi. He wants to concentrate on defensive signings. Hopefully that’s another left back, a centre back and a DM.
ErwinK1961 Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 16:38, SNSUN said: Listening to TalkSport in the car earlier, they said he was the best player on the pitch today in Chelsea’s friendly. I think he’d be a decent signing for a club our size, but only as a transfer. Then if he does achieve his potential, we benefit from it. Sadly he seems a player that is always close to injury, although Ings proved bad injuries aren’t necessarily the death knell of footballers they used to be. Not to mention I doubt we could afford him anyway, Ntcham on a free seems the more likely of the two. On another topic, Ralph says we have enough options in attack now. While I disagree, it is something that can be pushed to January, especially if we keep Ings and if he plans to use Elyounoussi. He wants to concentrate on defensive signings. Hopefully that’s another left back, a centre back and a DM. Expand Quite right too, as we have been defensively shite for the last three seasons. Shame a GK won’t form part of that.
Saint_lambden Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 Still find it astonishing that signing a GK isn't seen as a priority. Neither of them are good enough and it'll cost us points this season. 1
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 16:38, SNSUN said: Listening to TalkSport in the car earlier, they said he was the best player on the pitch today in Chelsea’s friendly. I think he’d be a decent signing for a club our size, but only as a transfer. Then if he does achieve his potential, we benefit from it. Sadly he seems a player that is always close to injury, although Ings proved bad injuries aren’t necessarily the death knell of footballers they used to be. Not to mention I doubt we could afford him anyway, Ntcham on a free seems the more likely of the two. On another topic, Ralph says we have enough options in attack now. While I disagree, it is something that can be pushed to January, especially if we keep Ings and if he plans to use Elyounoussi. He wants to concentrate on defensive signings. Hopefully that’s another left back, a centre back and a DM. Expand So why if he thinks we are ok upfront why bid for Armstrong? He has either changed his mind, is telling fibs or doesn’t know his arse from his elbow.
Saint Matty 76 Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 17:01, Saint_lambden said: Still find it astonishing that signing a GK isn't seen as a priority. Neither of them are good enough and it'll cost us points this season. Expand Unfortunately it'll be because they're two of our higher earners and they're both too shite to be wanted by another club. Ideal situation would've been selling Frase to Celtic last Summer but I don't think he wanted to go there. I imagine we're stuck with this pairing until next season where Forster goes on a free and we try to bring in a new starter.
ErwinK1961 Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 17:26, Fitzhugh Fella said: So why if he thinks we are ok upfront why bid for Armstrong? He has either changed his mind, is telling fibs or doesn’t know his arse from his elbow. Expand Because I think it’s pretty obvious it’s for if/when Ings leaves. 4
Matthew Le God Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 17:26, Fitzhugh Fella said: So why if he thinks we are ok upfront why bid for Armstrong? He has either changed his mind, is telling fibs or doesn’t know his arse from his elbow. Expand Or another option that you left out... Armstrong is the back-up plan and they want a deal in place and ready to go if Ings leaves. 1
S-Clarke Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 17:46, 2Morrow said: Josh Doig 👀 Expand Young left back from Hibs #itkwatch
Matthew Le God Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 17:46, 2Morrow said: Josh Doig 👀 Expand
ErwinK1961 Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 17:48, S-Clarke said: Young left back from Hibs #itkwatch Expand
The Cat Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 16:38, SNSUN said: Listening to TalkSport in the car earlier, they said he was the best player on the pitch today in Chelsea’s friendly. I think he’d be a decent signing for a club our size, but only as a transfer. Then if he does achieve his potential, we benefit from it. Sadly he seems a player that is always close to injury, although Ings proved bad injuries aren’t necessarily the death knell of footballers they used to be. Not to mention I doubt we could afford him anyway, Ntcham on a free seems the more likely of the two. On another topic, Ralph says we have enough options in attack now. While I disagree, it is something that can be pushed to January, especially if we keep Ings and if he plans to use Elyounoussi. He wants to concentrate on defensive signings. Hopefully that’s another left back, a centre back and a DM. Expand Anyone else stop reading that post after the first 3 words? 2 1
SuperSAINT Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 17:46, 2Morrow said: Josh Doig 👀 Expand On 01/08/2021 at 17:48, S-Clarke said: #itkwatch Expand 1
Saint86 Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 (edited) On 01/08/2021 at 08:15, tajjuk said: Clearly a lot of people who don't watch Sancho, he's a lot better than Grealish IMO and has the pedigree to back that up, just look at the numbers, performing regularly at the highest level, whereas Grealish has had one good PL season basically. Grealish is good but has to be the most over rated player in the league right now, I don't get the fuss. But also extremely weird that on one hand people will accept the Grealish fee and then at the same time think expecting over £50 million for JWP is far too much, shows how stupidly our fans under rated players. Grealish simply is not that much better than JWP and honestly I think he'll flop at City, he's not better than Sterling, Mahrez and personally I think Bernardo Silva will come good as well. As for people using Varane as a comparison, not a valid comparison. Varane only had a year on his deal, Real are struggling financially (and Varane had HUGE wages) plus Varane has injury issues. Expand I don't think there is an awful lot of difference in value between Grealish and Sancho. Right now, for me, the key point is that you aren't tackling Grealish without giving away a foul 🤷♂️ - and on top of that he is a very competent attacking player - creativity, final product, dribbling, positioning etc. But its the mere fact that he's a walking free kick machine that adds so much to a team's play - opponents are scared to tackle him, his presence on the ball just builds pressure, and there is a very good chance he'll either directly create something or win you a direct/indirect free kick in a dangerous area. In the same way that Wilkinson added drop goals to England's rugby world cup team, Grealish adds a comparable tactical balance to the teams he plays for imo. Edited 1 August, 2021 by Saint86
Wade Garrett Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 Grealish is quality and was criminally underused by Southgate in the Euros. 1
Sunglasses Ron Posted 1 August, 2021 Posted 1 August, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 19:18, Saint86 said: I don't think there is an awful lot of difference in value between Grealish and Sancho. Right now, for me, the key point is that you aren't tackling Grealish without giving away a foul 🤷♂️ - and on top of that he is a very competent attacking player - creativity, final product, dribbling, positioning etc. But its the mere fact that he's a walking free kick machine that adds so much to a team's play - opponents are scared to tackle him, his presence on the ball just builds pressure, and there is a very good chance he'll either directly create something or win you a direct/indirect free kick in a dangerous area. In the same way that Wilkinson added drop goals to England's rugby world cup team, Grealish adds a comparable tactical balance to the teams he plays for imo. Expand I hope you’re not saying that a player can be of use primarily because he wins set pieces. Next you’ll be saying players should also be picked because they’re good at taking them 🤔🙂
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