Summer Transfer Window 2021

[benjii]

I've been working on a reasonably chunky commercial arrangement with a very high profile English football club over the last couple of months and they've been a pain in the arse to deal with. Stupid, unrealistic contractual positions, and constantly changing their position on key commercial terms, as well as being quite slow.

That's without having to deal with some greedy, dodgy player agents as well. So it's made me appreciate what a pain it must be trying to sort certain transfers out.

[OldNick]

I think that the club may be looking at the current/future position due to Covid. I suggest that they may be factoring in the chance/ probability of crowds being stopped or another lockdown. This will of course effect our cashflow

[Saints4Prem]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

About as disrespectful as us offering Blackburn less than half what they want for Armstrong, yes?

Except that we keep our negotiations fairly private, Levy seeks publicity, is known to unsettle players and come in with low ball offers. I almost sympathise with spud supporters as other clubs will stop dealing with him. There is really no comparison with Armstrong he is being offered at a total unreasonable price which is why other clubs have walked away and Ings is not for sale 😇

[SuperSAINT]

We made a late push for Livramento but he’s off to Brighton, apparently.

Bate off to Leeds for £1.5m

 

[Saint Matty 76]

Disappointing if we miss out on Livramento. Would like to think we’re offering a similar package first-team football wise, so that’s a pretty depressing loss.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Saints4Prem said:

Except that we keep our negotiations fairly private, Levy seeks publicity, is known to unsettle players and come in with low ball offers. I almost sympathise with spud supporters as other clubs will stop dealing with him. There is really no comparison with Armstrong he is being offered at a total unreasonable price which is why other clubs have walked away and Ings is not for sale 😇

Apart from it being all over the media and all over here no one knew anything about it. We also offered less than half what Blackburn want, Other than that it's totally different to damn Levy and his low ball offers.  

[OldNick]

I get the logic in what you are saying but Ings is a tried and tested player in the PL whilst Armstrong is not. Therefore a risk factor comes into play.

It is well known we are in for Armstrong, always a bit of a concern that we seem to be the only ones wanting him

[TWar]

34 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

We made a late push for Livramento but he’s off to Brighton, apparently.

Bate off to Leeds for £1.5m

 

Gutting that, would have been exactly what we needed.

Edited 21 July, 2021 by TWar

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I get the logic in what you are saying but Ings is a tried and tested player in the PL whilst Armstrong is not. Therefore a risk factor comes into play.

It is well known we are in for Armstrong, always a bit of a concern that we seem to be the only ones wanting him

What difference does that make? The other poster is berating Levy for his tactics yet we're doing exactly the same thing. Also seem to be baulking at paying what appears to be a perfectly reasonable loan fee for Williams. 

[DT]

19 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

Disappointing if we miss out on Livramento. Would like to think we’re offering a similar package first-team football wise, so that’s a pretty depressing loss.

I expect he was lured by better team and better manager, perhaps more cash, arguably better city. That's the depressing thing. I think Brighton will be top half

[CB Fry]

24 minutes ago, DT said:

I expect he was lured by better team and better manager, perhaps more cash, arguably better city. That's the depressing thing. I think Brighton will be top half

He's back everyone.

If Potter was our manager (15th, then 16th) you'd fucking hate him and would have spent the last two seasons constantly shitting yourself about relegation as you did with our two seasons when we were far clearer of the drop than Brighton were for every single day of both those seasons.

If that was us there's no way you'd be predicting top half.

Absolute weirdo.

[Uncle Albert]

[kjurwi]

6 minutes ago, Uncle Albert said:

That's way too much action.

[LuckyNumber7]

I've never heard of Livramento. Is he the next Messi or something?

[MarkSFC]

Just now, LuckyNumber7 said:

I've never heard of Livramento. Is he the next Messi or something?

Apparently he is so good that we should be distraught at missing out on him. Even though Chelsea don't want him. 

[Turkish]

Just now, LuckyNumber7 said:

I've never heard of Livramento. Is he the next Messi or something?

Me neither but it’s the usual outcry that we’ve missed out on someone WE HAD TO SIGN AS THEY ARE PERFECT FOR US HOW DEPRESSING

[CB Fry]

I wish we were Brighton.

[qwertyell]

3 hours ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

I've never heard of Livramento. Is he the next Messi or something?

RB/RWB/RM, 18. He's Chelsea's current Academy Player of the Year, and they're desperate for him to stay. But he doesn't believe there's a pathway into the team for him - their pursuit of Hakimi this summer confirmed that.

Chelsea's previous Academy Player of the Years: Billy Gilmour, Conor Gallagher, Reece James, Mason Mount, Fikayo Tomori, and Dom Solanke.

Their Academy is the best in the country, and their best prospect is available - and probably on the cheap.

Edited 21 July, 2021 by qwertyell

[Saint Matty 76]

38 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

Apparently he is so good that we should be distraught at missing out on him. Even though Chelsea don't want him. 

At least have a read before chatting shite. He won their academy player of the year and they can't get him to sign a contract because he wants football.

[MarkSFC]

1 minute ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

At least have a read before chatting shite. He won their academy player of the year and they can't get him to sign a contract because he wants football.

I didn't give an opinion on how good he is. I expressed the apparent view of many on here in what was (clearly not obvious enough for you) a sarcastic manner.

And if I want to "chat shite" I will do. And you can move on past my posts at your leisure. 

Over sensitive twat.

[Suhari]

1 hour ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

I've never heard of Livramento. Is he the next Messi or something?

He's okay. But he's no Jankewitz.

 

 

[Saints4Prem]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

What difference does that make? The other poster is berating Levy for his tactics yet we're doing exactly the same thing. Also seem to be baulking at paying what appears to be a perfectly reasonable loan fee for Williams. 

As the other poster I would suggest that there is a lot of difference between our board and Levy. We may make low offers which is obviously part of negotiations what we do not do is put it out in the media constantly about being in for a player and then once he’s unsettled throw in a lowball of a bid with no intention of any compromise. Can’t say I recall any great publicity about any of our negotiators putting it out there that they’re going to put in a low bid. I would’ve thought that if you read a lot of the posts on here and other news reports you might realise that by now Levy is well known for his tactics. If you want to compare Ings to Armstrong – Armstrong is not proven in the Premier League, he is in the last year of his contract and it appears that he wants to leave but he has an extortionate price on his head for an untested player. Ings may be in the last year of his contract but he only wants to go to a top 4 club, he is one of the top English goal scorers and we do not want to sell him.
It also sounds to me that the Williams loan fee was thrown in at the last minute and rejected to see if we could save some on our limited budget. As always we won’t know how good this window will be until it’s over.

(FWIW I think Ings will stay and then sign the new deal for his own security)

[Saint86]

 

3 minutes ago, Saints4Prem said:

(FWIW I think Ings will stay and then sign the new deal for his own security)

I reckon we'll pull Ings' bluff to be honest. That or we get an offer we're happy with. He has no choice but to play well for a move / world cup, and if he doesn't sign and gets a bad injury he is done / without income for a while. Takes more balls than the club showed since Cortese was here though.

Edited 21 July, 2021 by Saint86

[SuperSAINT]

I know it’s crook, but FFS.

Going to be interesting to see what Matt Crocker’s “player insights” team comes up with.

 

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Saints4Prem said:

As the other poster I would suggest that there is a lot of difference between our board and Levy. We may make low offers which is obviously part of negotiations what we do not do is put it out in the media constantly about being in for a player and then once he’s unsettled throw in a lowball of a bid with no intention of any compromise. Can’t say I recall any great publicity about any of our negotiators putting it out there that they’re going to put in a low bid. I would’ve thought that if you read a lot of the posts on here and other news reports you might realise that by now Levy is well known for his tactics. If you want to compare Ings to Armstrong – Armstrong is not proven in the Premier League, he is in the last year of his contract and it appears that he wants to leave but he has an extortionate price on his head for an untested player. Ings may be in the last year of his contract but he only wants to go to a top 4 club, he is one of the top English goal scorers and we do not want to sell him.
It also sounds to me that the Williams loan fee was thrown in at the last minute and rejected to see if we could save some on our limited budget. As always we won’t know how good this window will be until it’s over.

(FWIW I think Ings will stay and then sign the new deal for his own security)

I'm not sure bottom half premier league side Southampton bid for a striker from bottom half championship side Blackburn is going to headline news in too many media outlets sir.

[Saint Keef]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

I wish we were Brighton.

We are Brighton aren't we? Or have I joined the wrong site? Anyway, I blame Jack Stephens or Brighton's equivalent thereof.

[DT]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

He's back everyone.

If Potter was our manager (15th, then 16th) you'd fucking hate him and would have spent the last two seasons constantly shitting yourself about relegation as you did with our two seasons when we were far clearer of the drop than Brighton were for every single day of both those seasons.

If that was us there's no way you'd be predicting top half.

Absolute weirdo.

I see you've been to your anger/shit life sessions again

[le_tiss]

19 minutes ago, Saint Keef said:

We are Brighton aren't we? Or have I joined the wrong site? Anyway, I blame Jack Stephens or Brighton's equivalent thereof.

[Saints4Prem]

28 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I'm not sure bottom half premier league side Southampton bid for a striker from bottom half championship side Blackburn is going to headline news in too many media outlets sir.

Sorry I think you’re struggling now you said further back that when we put in a bid for Armstrong the news was all over the media 

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

Apart from it being all over the media and all over here no one knew anything about it. We also offered less than half what Blackburn want.

I await with interest in what the club can produce in this window, which I expect will be there best under the financial restraints. Nothing said on this board is going to affect that but I’m quite sure we will start the season with more depth. We hit the top last season before our injuries and lack of depth showed up so I prefer to remember those times and not the doom and gloom after. COYS

[CB Fry]

37 minutes ago, DT said:

I see you've been to your anger/shit life sessions again

My therapist told me just to keep laughing at you. Does me the world of good.

[DT]

3 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

My therapist told me just to keep laughing at you. Does me the world of good.

🔔🔚

[Monk]

2 hours ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

At least have a read before chatting shite. He won their academy player of the year and they can't get him to sign a contract because he wants football.

Dan Ashworth vs Matt Crocker this transfer saga

[SuperSAINT]

7 minutes ago, Monk said:

Dan Ashworth vs Matt Crocker this transfer saga

Ashworth remains undefeated 🤪

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

I know it’s crook, but FFS.

Going to be interesting to see what Matt Crocker’s “player insights” team comes up with.

 

Lookman to sign tomorrow then based on his Charlie Austin tweet!

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Saints4Prem said:

Sorry I think you’re struggling now you said further back that when we put in a bid for Armstrong the news was all over the media 

I await with interest in what the club can produce in this window, which I expect will be there best under the financial restraints. Nothing said on this board is going to affect that but I’m quite sure we will start the season with more depth. We hit the top last season before our injuries and lack of depth showed up so I prefer to remember those times and not the doom and gloom after. COYS

Not struggling at all, plenty of reports saying that our bid had been turned down, less than 50% what Blackburn wanted. Doesn't mean that that transfer will attract the same attention in the media as Ings to Spurs. Not hard really.

[SuperSAINT]

Considering he chose WBA over us, I’m not holding out much hope.

Good player, though.

Edited 21 July, 2021 by SuperSAINT

[Saint Keef]

4 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Considering he chose WBA over us, I’m not holding out much hope.

Good player, though.

No, you're probably right, but he can play at RB, or midfield and has played at LB. If we're thinking depth of squad he would be ideal in that he can play in a number of positions. Wonder what he's like in goal? Would he get much game time at Leicester? Not sure he would. Burnley probably more so.

[Saint Matty 76]

It's one of those ones where it'd be perfect for us, but I'm not sure being first reserve at RB/LB and 4th choice CM (his preferred position) is too appealing for him. 

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

17 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

It's one of those ones where it'd be perfect for us, but I'm not sure being first reserve at RB/LB and 4th choice CM (his preferred position) is too appealing for him. 

To be fair, he far outshone our CMs when West Brom beat us 3-0 towards the end of last season...

[Dusic]

Not bothered re AMN. He would probably cost at least £20m and wouldn't be a starter for us unless JWP were to be sold.

Livramento is frustrating as he seems an ideal signing for us and the exact profile of player we should be targetting, especially with Crocker (and Skyrme) having a great knowledge of the England Youth players. There is a clear and obvious pathway at Saints given our lack of numbers at full back, but being a Croydon lad and having seen Lamptey make the same move successfully then you can see why he has picked Brighton.

Equally their U23s are good and ours are shite and got relegated so seeing as he will likely start at that level maybe it is a factor too? These lads want to be playing the best players in their age group not against the dross.

Big shame to miss out on him to a direct rival, but our recruitment between 16-22yrs seems very lacking the last few years, and no sign of that changing unfortunately.

We are trading off an ageing rep in terms of youth development whilst others have gone past us.

[Toadhall Saint]

4 hours ago, qwertyell said:

RB/RWB/RM, 18. He's Chelsea's current Academy Player of the Year, and they're desperate for him to stay. But he doesn't believe there's a pathway into the team for him - their pursuit of Hakimi this summer confirmed that.

Chelsea's previous Academy Player of the Years: Billy Gilmour, Conor Gallagher, Reece James, Mason Mount, Fikayo Tomori, and Dom Solanke.

Their Academy is the best in the country, and their best prospect is available - and probably on the cheap.

Only the best because they just hoover up any kid with a pair of boots and 2 feet.

[Wimborne_saint]

Blackburn not budging on their 25m valuation of Armstrong...

[Chez]

30 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Only the best because they just hoover up any kid with a pair of boots and 2 feet.

there is quantity, especially with their `satellite' centres `stealing' talent from under or noses, but they also hoover up the best kids. Seems a long time ago that Luke Shaw turned them down for us. Not sure many do now.

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, Wimborne_saint said:

Blackburn not budging on their 25m valuation of Armstrong...

good luck to them. Cant seem them getting that, just like we won't get £35m for Ings. 

Have we other options in the £10-£15m bracket I wonder?

[SuperSAINT]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

good luck to them. Cant seem them getting that, just like we won't get £35m for Ings. 

Have we other options in the £10-£15m bracket I wonder?

It’ll probably be Shane Long.

[Chez]

59 minutes ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

To be fair, he far outshone our CMs when West Brom beat us 3-0 towards the end of last season...

murdered us that day. He had a good start their (WBA), but not sure he was as effective in the final four or five games. Why not get him in and play and extra man in midfield. I got fed up of our inflexibility of formation last season. 

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

It’ll probably be Shane Long.

he's here until 2022...joy.

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

We are trading off an ageing rep in terms of youth development whilst others have gone past us.

big style. I wonder how much we spend compared to others. Where are we going wrong? Or are we? What's the story with Tella as that could well be the next big thing.

[Roo1976]

6 hours ago, kjurwi said:

That's way too much action.

More sideways recycling ......

[SuperSAINT]