Summer Transfer Window 2021

[Convict Colony]

No 2nd bid apparently

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19448118.latest-southampton-interest-blackburn-rovers-adam-armstrong/

[trousers]

This can only mean one thing... #hescominghome

[beatlesaint]

2 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

No 2nd bid apparently

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19448118.latest-southampton-interest-blackburn-rovers-adam-armstrong/

If that offer really was £8 million for someone who scored that many goals in The Championship last season given what Ollie Watkins went for last summer then thats scandalous. If that had been Spurs offering us a sum like that then people would have been mounting their high horses quicker than the spread of Covid.   

[Chez]

20 hours ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

That's an odd one. West Ham wanted £45m when United were sniffing around last year:
West Ham 'ready to sell Issa Diop for £45m transfer fee' and raise funds amid Man Utd interest in defender (thesun.co.uk)

Quite like that rumour. when Vest goes, we will need someone that can win a header and he can. When he first joined West Ham he looked bad, but I thought once he found his feet, he looked competent, actually more than that, he looked like the talented player they had bought. Obviously he has lost his way, and as much as I've always like Dawson (we should have signed him from Rochdale back in the day), he's just solid and no more, so the fact Diop cant get a game ahead of him is a little concerning. WHU obviously know his strengths and weaknesses.

[le_tiss]

[Charlie Wayman]

Posting tables without comment is a waste of time. What point(s) are you illustrating?

[SuperSAINT]

 

[qwertyell]

3 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

If that offer really was £8 million for someone who scored that many goals in The Championship last season given what Ollie Watkins went for last summer then thats scandalous.

"Scandalous". Bloody hell.

Championship clubs have spent the past year with cap in hand pleading poverty and demanding that Premier League clubs give them a bigger slice of their pie to keep them in business. Even those like us who are financially in poor shape themselves.

But apparently they can afford to turn down £8m and risk losing a player for nothing in a year. Huh, how about that?

We're trying to sign him as cheaply as possible; they're trying to sell him as expensively as possible. No scandal here, just the reality of every transfer negotiation ever.

 

 

 

[woodsaint1]

3 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

If that offer really was £8 million for someone who scored that many goals in The Championship last season given what Ollie Watkins went for last summer then thats scandalous. If that had been Spurs offering us a sum like that then people would have been mounting their high horses quicker than the spread of Covid.   

Cant really compare him to Watkins when he had only signed a new 4 year contract the summer before he joined Villa

[Chez]

1 hour ago, woodsaint1 said:

Cant really compare him to Watkins when he had only signed a new 4 year contract the summer before he joined Villa

Absolutely. Hoj, also a year left went for £15m and he was a proven Premiership player. When you buy from the championship, there is an element of risk that the player wont make the step up and that must be factored in. In this market, with teams on their knees financially, £8m seems about right for an initial bid. Obviously, every Blackburn fan will disagree, but just like Hoj and perhaps Ings, what fans feel is the right price is often an overestimation.

Edited 17 July, 2021 by Chez

[le_tiss]

4 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Posting tables without comment is a waste of time. What point(s) are you illustrating?

thanks for you interest

Thought it might be of interest to some 

#Charliethetablepolice

 

You might want to look away now

 

2021 Summer Transfers

Arsenal - 1 - £8m - Tavares (£8m)
Aston Villa - 2 - £33m - Buendia (£33m), Young (free)
Brentford - 0 - £0 - 

Brighton - 1 - £18m - Mwepu (£18m)
Burnley - 1 - £12m - Collins (£12m)
Chelsea - 0 - £0 - 
Crystal Palace - 2 - £8m - Olise (£8m), Matthews (free)
Everton - 0 - £0 - 
Leeds - 2 - £24m - Harrison (£11m), Firpo (£13m)
Leicester - 3 - £39m - Daka (£22m), Soumare (£17m), Bertrand (free)
Liverpool - 1 - £35m - Konate (£35m)
Man City - 0 - £0 - 
Man Utd - 1 - £0 - Heaton (free)
Newcastle - 0 - £0 - 
Norwich - 4 - £17.9m - Rashica (£9.4m), Gunn (£5m), Gilmour (loan), Lees-Melou (£3.5m)

Southampton - 2 - £11m - Walcott (free), Perraud (£11m)
Tottenham - 0 - £0 -  
Watford - 7 - £13.5m - Louza (£10m), Fletcher (free), Rose (free), Dennis (£3.5m), Etebo (loan), King (free), Mebude (free)

West Ham - 1 - £2m - Dawson (£2m)
Wolves - 4 - £20.8m - Mosquera (£4.5m), Trincao (loan), Ait-Nouri (£9.5m), Sa (£6.8m)

Total Signings: 32
Total Spend: £242,200,000

Transfer Window SLAMS Shut: 11pm, 31 August

Edited 17 July, 2021 by le_tiss

[Billy the Kidd]

I think Charlie likes to have something to complain about.

I thought it was obvious as to why you posted the table, and the results didnt come as much of a surprise!

[VectisSaint]

Reports that Ethan Ross has left Aberdeen and is having a trial at Saints. Possibly one for the B team as he has hardly made an impact in the SPL but seems to be highly thought of. 

[SuperSAINT]

 

 

[SaintTex]

12 hours ago, le_tiss said:

thanks for you interest

Thought it might be of interest to some 

#Charliethetablepolice

 

You might want to look away now

 

2021 Summer Transfers

Arsenal - 1 - £8m - Tavares (£8m)
Aston Villa - 2 - £33m - Buendia (£33m), Young (free)
Brentford - 0 - £0 - 

Brighton - 1 - £18m - Mwepu (£18m)
Burnley - 1 - £12m - Collins (£12m)
Chelsea - 0 - £0 - 
Crystal Palace - 2 - £8m - Olise (£8m), Matthews (free)
Everton - 0 - £0 - 
Leeds - 2 - £24m - Harrison (£11m), Firpo (£13m)
Leicester - 3 - £39m - Daka (£22m), Soumare (£17m), Bertrand (free)
Liverpool - 1 - £35m - Konate (£35m)
Man City - 0 - £0 - 
Man Utd - 1 - £0 - Heaton (free)
Newcastle - 0 - £0 - 
Norwich - 4 - £17.9m - Rashica (£9.4m), Gunn (£5m), Gilmour (loan), Lees-Melou (£3.5m)

Southampton - 2 - £11m - Walcott (free), Perraud (£11m)
Tottenham - 0 - £0 -  
Watford - 7 - £13.5m - Louza (£10m), Fletcher (free), Rose (free), Dennis (£3.5m), Etebo (loan), King (free), Mebude (free)

West Ham - 1 - £2m - Dawson (£2m)
Wolves - 4 - £20.8m - Mosquera (£4.5m), Trincao (loan), Ait-Nouri (£9.5m), Sa (£6.8m)

Total Signings: 32
Total Spend: £242,200,000

Transfer Window SLAMS Shut: 11pm, 31 August

Konate (£35m) has been the most expensive signing of the summer so far. For a price that would be a record signing for 10 of the teams in the league.

.....and Liverpool supporters can barely muster a collective yawn. He is likely CB back up.

Edited 18 July, 2021 by SaintTex

[DT]

Reports that Celtic interested in re-signing Forster on loan. Could this mean we might actually sign a decent keeper? Not holding breath

[Saint Billy]

So much for getting our business done early. 

[SuperSAINT]

20 minutes ago, Saint Billy said:

So much for getting our business done early. 

I recall Ralph at one point saying he wanted to get 2 in and then we’d wait until towards the end to see what came up (I’m aware that the Theo thing can be argued isn’t a new signing).

[Dusic]

34 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

I recall Ralph at one point saying he wanted to get 2 in and then we’d wait until towards the end to see what came up (I’m aware that the Theo thing can be argued isn’t a new signing).

I think its clear they wanted Perraud and another full back early on. That means whilst the quality of the squad can be debated we at least have cover in all positions.

As it stands we are one injury, covid test or illness away from Stephens starting the first game at full back.

Surely we will at least sort that before the first game.

But it certainly doesnt look like the change Ralph hinted at will happen.

[VectisSaint]

56 minutes ago, Saint Billy said:

So much for getting our business done early. 

Think we've done the critical business early. Had to get a LB in and signed Theo as well as shifting several out, which then enables us to bring in some new blood. There are still 6 weeks till the window slams shut and a month before the first game. 

[Mowgli]

1 hour ago, VectisSaint said:

Think we've done the critical business early. Had to get a LB in and signed Theo as well as shifting several out, which then enables us to bring in some new blood. There are still 6 weeks till the window slams shut and a month before the first game. 

Maybe also worth saying some of last seasons transfers in and academy promotions needed time to settle so did not add a lot last season but will be hitting the ground running this year.  Salisu, Diallo, Tella and maybe Smallbone (who still has to build up fitness) all fall in this category.

[tajjuk]

I think the whole market seems to be waiting for some of the bigger moves to happen and then that will kickstart everything else. 

[MarkSFC]

2 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

I think the whole market seems to be waiting for some of the bigger moves to happen and then that will kickstart everything else. 

Pretty much what always happens!

[Badger]

4 hours ago, tajjuk said:

I think the whole market seems to be waiting for some of the bigger moves to happen and then that will kickstart everything else. 

Definitely, I think the market for strikers will depend on which way the 'Kane' domino falls. Once that is known then the clubs will consider the other options eventually filtering down to Ings.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

8 hours ago, VectisSaint said:

Think we've done the critical business early. Had to get a LB in and signed Theo as well as shifting several out, which then enables us to bring in some new blood. There are still 6 weeks till the window slams shut and a month before the first game. 

We’ve signed one player who has replaced one outgoing. Hardly critical business. Theo was done months ago too. We are still much weaker than we were on the last day of the season when we were in a total mess. Bit premature if you to start congratulating our close or pre season. 

[Sir Ralph]

A good window initially is starting to head towards a more mediocre one. Hopefully if we can get rid of a few more on larger salaries (Forster and lemina) we can reinvest. Even to have a mediocre window surely we would need to take on another striker and full back.

[stevy777_x]

We can t afford to let Ings go for free  next summer.

we ve already had to spend 11m to replace Bertrand, clubs like ours with no money don t have that luxury as it creates holes in transfer without even strengthening the sqhad.

I fully expect us to sell Ings and Vestergaard this window and kt would the right and sensible move to do

[Saint Matty 76]

Surely we can afford to spend £20-30m a Summer without sales right, just through being in the Premier League? I’m sure we’ve taken a bit of a hit this year through lack of ticket sales, but we’ve already brought in £6-7m and lost about 150k+ on the wage bill (not including the addition of Theo & Perraud which you’d imagine to be around half of that).

I struggle to believe that any Premier League team has to break even on transfers every season.

20/21: -£10m

19/20: -£28m

18/19: -£33m

This is all under Gao who is about as “self sufficient” as you can be. I don’t think we need to sell Vestergaard and Ings this Summer at all. I don’t think anybody would be gutted to see Vestergaard go for £15-20m but I still can’t see an argument for us being better off by getting an average fee for Ings this Summer.

 

[Nolan]

If Peraud was the only left back we intend to get in, why would he have given squad number 15 rather than squad number 3? 

[SuperSAINT]

“We have to invest this summer and we will within our limits by buying young players who allow us to compete in the future. We will spend in the summer, and we already are well into the process of doing it.”

Those comments were uttered by a confident Martin Semmens, Southampton’s chief executive, when he addressed a fans’ forum in May.

Since then, Romain Perraud has been signed for a fee believed to be in the region of £11 million and Theo Walcott joined as a free agent on a two-year deal. But while recruitment work continues behind the scenes, there are yet to be any fresh arrivals.

Supporters are desperate to see additions, but the transfer market is slow and you expect it will take a sizeable domestic deal to bring it to life.

The Athletic has extensively reported that Southampton want to add another full-back to the side and are also looking to bolster their forward line.

Manchester United defender Brandon Williams is keen to spend the season on loan at Southampton, although that move has stalled due to the Old Trafford side’s demands over the loan fee.

As first revealed by The Athletic, United are seeking more than £2 million and the St Mary’s hierarchy have no intention of meeting it. They are more than prepared to walk away from the table and explore alternative options if a suitable agreement can’t be reached.

Uncertainty continues to hang over Danny Ings’ future after he turned down the club’s offer of a four-year contract, which means he’s now in the final 12 months of his current deal.

Multiple reports suggest he tops Tottenham’s list of transfer targets, although Southampton are yet to receive any offers for their star man. It has been claimed that Southampton would be reluctant to do business with Spurs after their pursuit of Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg left a sour taste in the mouth.

But The Athletic understands that there isn’t as much animosity between the two clubs as there once was. That doesn’t mean, however, that Ings will be joining Tottenham.

“We need this player, we want him to play for us,” manager Ralph Hasenhuttl said of Ings on BBC radio.

“But I think it’s never helpful to go into the last season with one year left — this is what I think he should know.”

Southampton remain interested in Blackburn’s Adam Armstrong, a striker compared to Ings, but are not prepared to pay over the odds for a player who is out of contract next summer.

Supporters may have seen a clip put out by Southampton on social media, which included Sam McQueen. The 26-year-old defender has endured a tough time since 2018, rupturing his anterior cruciate ligament on loan at Middlesbrough.

Although McQueen’s contract expired this summer, The Athletic has learnt he has been given a new six-month deal by the club, taking him up to January.

The left-back has been involved in the first-team group since pre-season started, and the short-term extension will afford him the chance to impress Hasenhuttl.

After such a horrific setback, Southampton were keen to stand by the defender and offer their support, rather than just cutting him loose once his previous contract ran out this summer.

Midfielder Alex Jankewitz departed the club earlier this week, securing a move to Swiss side Young Boys, where he will be managed by former Huddersfield boss David Wagner.

The 19-year-old, as first revealed by The Athletic, handed in a transfer request in January after a perceived lack of opportunity at St Mary’s. It brought an end to his three-year stay on the south coast, with his arrival in 2018 coming with plenty of fanfare from the club.

Supporters were disappointed to see him leave without the chance to truly show his potential, but it’s a deal that suits both parties. Jankewitz should hopefully get the game time he craves and Southampton believe they have secured a good deal.

Sources have told The Athletic that Southampton will receive an initial £1 million for the sale, although that could rise to £4 million depending on certain clauses being met.

The St Mary’s hierarchy are also understood to have included a sell-on clause, around the 30-35 per cent mark, should Young Boys sell Jankewitz. That, however, will decrease if the overall fee rises to the £4 million threshold.

Callum Slattery is another player who is also likely to depart the club this summer, bringing an end to his 13-year association with the south coast side. The 22-year-old midfielder has garnered a lot of interest and, with only a year left on his contract, it’s understood a permanent switch could be on the cards.

Since making his Premier Leaguedebut in February 2019, Slattery has gone on to have loan spells at De Graafschap and more recently Gillingham.

Mario Lemina, who is out of contract next summer, continues to attract a lot of interest after spending last season on loan with Fulham. The Gabon international was admired by Newcastle United and has also been noted by Premier League newcomers Watford.

But while talks continue between Southampton and potential suitors, it’s believed nobody has been forthcoming with an acceptable offer.

Jannik Vestergaard is another player with less than a year to go on his time at Southampton and will have to decide whether he wants to stay put or seek a new challenge. The Denmark international wanted to wait until after Euro 2020 to make his mind up, and it’s unlikely he’ll be short of suitors.

Dan N’Lundulu has already left to join Lincoln on loan after signing fresh terms on a new three-year deal at St Mary’s. Question marks also hang over the futures of Michael Obafemi and Shane Long, with both forwards having less than 12 months to go until their contracts expire.

[VectisSaint]

8 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

We’ve signed one player who has replaced one outgoing. Hardly critical business. Theo was done months ago too. We are still much weaker than we were on the last day of the season when we were in a total mess. Bit premature if you to start congratulating our close or pre season. 

No one was offering congratulations. We had no LBs at the club, it was critical to having a team that we got one in, and we did. Everywhere else it is about strengthening, we have players to fit the bill initially. In order to do that we had to ship some out and we have done that to a reasonable extent, some still to go of course. It certainly has not been a disaster (yet) but a few more in the next couple of weeks would still be OK. 

[MarkSFC]

10 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

We’ve signed one player who has replaced one outgoing. Hardly critical business. Theo was done months ago too. We are still much weaker than we were on the last day of the season when we were in a total mess. Bit premature if you to start congratulating our close or pre season. 

Actually we are stronger, by virtue of Romeu being fit. We certainly need strengthening and one or fur need shifting out but you are wrong in regard to the bit in bold. 

[igsey]

Delighted we've given McQueen a 6 month extension, we're obviously not expecting him to play for us but it's very good of the club to help out one of our academy graduates and presumably help him find a new club down the pyramid.

[tajjuk]

7 hours ago, stevy777_x said:

I fully expect us to sell Ings and Vestergaard this window and kt would the right and sensible move to do

Can't really sell them if no one wants to buy them.

Ings seems to have a rather small list of clubs he wants to join ( I mean really it's City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Utd from what I can tell based on reports), and I doubt he is high up on the list of priorities for those clubs if at all. I don't particularly think he wants to join a Europa League conference Spurs that are likely not to be in the CL for a while (especially if they lose Kane) and they are so far the only ones been linked. Those clubs seem to be more looking at the likes of Kane, Haaland and Lukaku.  

Plus the club seem reluctant to do business with Spurs, which makes them less likely to be the destination for both Ings and Vestergaard. 

Plus someone has to pay the fees the club wants, which I would suspect is at least around the £20 million mark for Vestergaard and £25-30 million for Ings, in a covid impacted market where even Super clubs like Real, Barca and Inter are struggling. 

Certainly with Ings I still think all 3 options are on the table, just because he seems to have a preference for the club he wants to join which limits the options. 

[tajjuk]

22 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

Actually we are stronger, by virtue of Romeu being fit. We certainly need strengthening and one or fur need shifting out but you are wrong in regard to the bit in bold. 

Also Bertrand had been phoning it in for a while and seemed to have lost his energy to get up and down the wing, which I suspect why the club didn't fight that hard to keep him, so the new left back being younger, fresher and reportedly quicker probably adds to the squad as well.

In current state the first 11 is good enough for top half, if not a bit higher if they get on a roll. The issue really is depth and the two contracts running out, we ran out of steam and faded horribly once the injuries struck (plus some awful refereeing) in the new year and we are in the position where we might have to replace two of our better players. 

[Greenridge]

Not trawled through the thread, so probably already discussed, but I see several papers mentioning our interest in Yangel Herrera.

[DT]

22 minutes ago, Greenridge said:

Not trawled through the thread, so probably already discussed, but I see several papers mentioning our interest in Yangel Herrera.

Yes please. £20m though. Oh well. (unless part of Ings to Man City?)

[Saint Garrett]

Such an odd transfer window so far, Supposedly a deflated market, with clubs in financial difficulty, but plenty of money being thrown around, and some ridiculous prices for certain players given they're experience.

Still no real clue where the market is regarding transfer fees.

[igsey]

1 hour ago, DT said:

Yes please. £20m though. Oh well. (unless part of Ings to Man City?)

The big clubs are taking the piss with the fees for their reserves.

[beatlesaint]

43 minutes ago, igsey said:

The big clubs are taking the piss with the fees for their reserves.

They are and its ridiculous considering another club is giving that player valuable game time and experience which obviously benefits that club hugely when they return from their loan spell.

[SuperSAINT]

Saints linked with another one of the Chelsea lads who’s stalling on a contract:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9802553/amp/Chelsea-teenager-Lewis-Bate-facing-uncertain-future-delays-signing-new-contract.html?__twitter_impression=true

[Sunglasses Ron]

2 hours ago, igsey said:

The big clubs are taking the piss with the fees for their reserves.

Agreed, look at how much Liverpool took for Brewster last year from Sheffield United.

£23.5m apparently and not a single goal scored from memory.

[SuperSAINT]

43 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Saints linked with another one of the Chelsea lads who’s stalling on a contract:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9802553/amp/Chelsea-teenager-Lewis-Bate-facing-uncertain-future-delays-signing-new-contract.html?__twitter_impression=true

Apparently started following Leeds players on Instagram.  Leeds’ recruiting of top young players is impressive.

[Roo1976]

So lets just say, we've been very much linked to Armstrong for quite sometime now it seems, how many of us would now feel gutted if  he dosent make our team and tuns up elsewhere? Why cant we just sign him be done with  it and move on ..............simple enough  surely . Non of the strikers have to move on say ,apart from Long .

[Forester]

11 hours ago, Nolan said:

If Peraud was the only left back we intend to get in, why would he have given squad number 15 rather than squad number 3? 

What number did Bertrand wear over several years?  Clue, it wasn’t 3

[Matthew Le God]

16 minutes ago, Forester said:

What number did Bertrand wear over several years?  Clue, it wasn’t 3

Part of that may be because Maya Yoshida was already at the club when Bertrand joined and Yoshida had number 3.

[Matthew Le God]

 

[Mr Brightside]

One horse race?

Report: Norwich leave Southampton free to strike deal worth £15m-plus; Saints now favourites (hitc.com)

[Dusic]

https://theathletic.com/2715736/2021/07/19/chelsea-face-losing-bate-livramento-peart-harris-premier-league-transfer-window?source=user-shared-article

Bate: West Ham or Leeds

Peart-Harris: Brentford

Livramento: Most likely Brighton

Saints not mentioned at all. Would be astonished if some of these weren't players we had an interest in, unless the prices are too high even for players with barely any pro apps.

[SuperSAINT]

12 minutes ago, Dusic said:

https://theathletic.com/2715736/2021/07/19/chelsea-face-losing-bate-livramento-peart-harris-premier-league-transfer-window?source=user-shared-article

Bate: West Ham or Leeds

Peart-Harris: Brentford

Livramento: Most likely Brighton

Saints not mentioned at all. Would be astonished if some of these weren't players we had an interest in, unless the prices are too high even for players with barely any pro apps.

We are monitoring them, but (IMO) I doubt we will land any of them.

MLG is going to batter me for this - but its crazy to me that we aren’t better at landing lads outside the academy.  All 3 are top prospects & let’s be honest, Livramento would be very close to getting games for us. 

Let’s not forget Dynel Symeu who I mentioned the other day who’s a Southampton lad.