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1 minute ago, Saint Garrett said:

If we were to lose Vestergaard for say £15-20m and bring in Saliba on loan with a £10-15m option, I'd be pretty happy with that I think.

I'd be more than happy with that. If we really are skint then I just hope we use our domestic loans a little better than Minamino and Walcott this time around.

Completely agree that I don't particularly want to be loaning in players we don't have an option for though.

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7 hours ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

I would be amazed if we sign a new GK, whilst it's clearly an area of weakness I just can't see it.

I would be amazed if we don't buy a new keeper. One of McCarthy or Forster is surely being shown the door, that's what Ralph's tinkering was about at the end of last season. We have been strongly linked with new keepers already (the Albanian guy and the Stanley keeper). 

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8 hours ago, Dusic said:

Is Phillips better than Bednarek? I haven't seen much to suggest so.

If any CB leaves it will be Vestergaard.

I'm hoping Vestergaard and Salisu is our CB pairing next season.

Problem here is Nat isn't going to leave Liverpool where he's on the bench there to sit on the bench here.

Either way, I think Bednarek has turned to shit.

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49 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

I'm hoping Vestergaard and Salisu is our CB pairing next season.

Problem here is Nat isn't going to leave Liverpool where he's on the bench there to sit on the bench here.

Either way, I think Bednarek has turned to shit.

Burnley apparently after 2 centre-backs.

Nathan Collins from Stoke close to signing for 12m.  Reports are they were impressed with Phillips last season.

Probably a sign James is TarkOff-ski

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7 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Burnley apparently after 2 centre-backs.

Nathan Collins from Stoke close to signing for 12m.  Reports are they were impressed with Phillips last season.

Probably a sign James is TarkOff-ski

Strange thing at Burnley is Dyche so far won't sign an extension.

Unless I missed it.

 

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11 hours ago, Dusic said:

Is Phillips better than Bednarek? I haven't seen much to suggest so.

If any CB leaves it will be Vestergaard.

Agree. Dont get the clamour around Phillips. Hes had a few good games, but also looked clumsy at times. Stephens in a Liverpool shirt came to mind. Capable of the rare blinder of a performance, but most games will throw a mistake or two in there

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24 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Agree. Dont get the clamour around Phillips. Hes had a few good games, but also looked clumsy at times. Stephens in a Liverpool shirt came to mind. Capable of the rare blinder of a performance, but most games will throw a mistake or two in there

does he dominate strikers? If not, then I don't want to see him come here. We need an athlete, that is strong, pacey and can play a bit. I fear we are settling for players that a can do a job at the level. We need players that we will struggle to keep here a year or two later

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10 hours ago, JustinSFC said:

Strange thing at Burnley is Dyche so far won't sign an extension.

Unless I missed it.

 

I'd overlooked this as well. Thought Dyche was lined up for the Palace job at the end of the season. He was an ideal fit for them, obnoxious prick whose teams play a brand of Route One and 'ugly' football

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10 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15385248/william-saliba-loan-arsenal-future-transfer/amp/

This would be a fantastic signing on loan.

No point IMO unless there was a tight option to buy. Reality is if a player that highly rated came here and did very well there would be no chance we would sign him permanently.

We signed Salisu last summer to a bit of fanfare and he looked good when he played.

I think Vestergaard will go and our no1 pairing will be Bednarek and Salisu.

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1 hour ago, Dusic said:

No point IMO unless there was a tight option to buy. Reality is if a player that highly rated came here and did very well there would be no chance we would sign him permanently.

We signed Salisu last summer to a bit of fanfare and he looked good when he played.

I think Vestergaard will go and our no1 pairing will be Bednarek and Salisu.

The point would be not to get relegated?

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1 hour ago, Dusic said:

No point IMO unless there was a tight option to buy. Reality is if a player that highly rated came here and did very well there would be no chance we would sign him permanently.

We signed Salisu last summer to a bit of fanfare and he looked good when he played.

I think Vestergaard will go and our no1 pairing will be Bednarek and Salisu.

Would you have said there was no point in loaning Toby, Saganowski, Waigo and Antonio

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1 hour ago, Dusic said:

No point IMO unless there was a tight option to buy. Reality is if a player that highly rated came here and did very well there would be no chance we would sign him permanently.

We signed Salisu last summer to a bit of fanfare and he looked good when he played.

I think Vestergaard will go and our no1 pairing will be Bednarek and Salisu.

This is our level now. We're skint, so rich clubs lending us their bright prospects to polish up is either something we embrace, or watch our rivals use it to our disadvantage. When players like Saliba and Isak are going for £20m + as eighteen year olds, presumably with salaries to match, the days of the 'shop window' transfer are probably already over.

On a related note, if we go into next season with Bednarek as a starter, something has gone very badly wrong. He isn't cut out for the style we want to play, and his form last season gives no reason to make an exception for him. He was dire.

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23 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Someone told me yesterday, with great  conviction, that Jack Stevens is off to Bournemouth, anyone heard anything to that effect?

Interesting if true. His contract is running down and he needs to play regularly. Stranger things have happened...and perhaps Lloyd Kelly appeals to us with some kind of deal. 

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Stephens is weirdly dependable for a fourth choice centre-back. Much better than Yoshida/Gardos were and can cover other positions too. The lapses in concentration and guarantee of at least one mistake per game is the reason he's not further up the pecking order. Would be a loss to the overall squad, as don't think we're getting better backup at CB.

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6 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

We know Ralph wants 2 players for each position & we can assume there's a decent chance we might sell Vestergaard, so I'm not sure I see it happening.

One year left on his contract and shouldn't really be offered a new one. Can see a new first choice being signed along with someone else who can play at CB and some other position where we are short on numbers (RB, LB, CM).

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34 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Someone told me yesterday, with great  conviction, that Jack Stevens is off to Bournemouth, anyone heard anything to that effect?

I think Hampshire Live has been pushing at least one version of a story (paragraph) that he has already signed a contract extension, possibly as long ago as last year but Saints are open to offers for him. The last bit was what stood out, why would you tie down someone but also say they would be open to a transfer? I guess the answer is when you have a decent option for 3rd or 4th choice CB but that option would prefer to play a little more regularly.

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29 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

Stephens is weirdly dependable for a fourth choice centre-back. Much better than Yoshida/Gardos were and can cover other positions too. The lapses in concentration and guarantee of at least one mistake per game is the reason he's not further up the pecking order. Would be a loss to the overall squad, as don't think we're getting better backup at CB.

Agree with everything you've said, except that. Durinh the 16/17 run in when they became our CB pairing, Yoshi was always the more solid imo

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1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

Someone told me yesterday, with great  conviction, that Jack Stevens is off to Bournemouth, anyone heard anything to that effect?

With so much conviction that they spelt his name wrong!

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5 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Agree with everything you've said, except that. Durinh the 16/17 run in when they became our CB pairing, Yoshi was always the more solid imo

Agree with that. Decent player, loads of experience, national team captain. Made the odd clanger but then so do all our CB's. You'd struggle to find many teams of our size with a better 4th choice player in his position.

He even played a load of games for Sampdoria this season who finished 9th.

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1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

I suppose it depends how reliable said person is.

I’ve no idea, I know the guy quite well, he isn’t given to blurting out stuff like that. I didn’t press him on it as we were in the middle of something more important at the time. 

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16 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

I’ve no idea, I know the guy quite well, he isn’t given to blurting out stuff like that. I didn’t press him on it as we were in the middle of something more important at the time. 

Let me get this straight, a guy you know quite well randomly blurted out a Jack stephens transfer rumour to you whilst you were in the middle of something more important and you never discussed it again, the mind boggles….😯

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1 hour ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Give me Stephens any day over Redmond

What's your point? In the whole squad I'd say there are six players who look cut out for this League and three who look promising. Stephens and Redmond are equal to me in that I don't want either of them. The difference being there aren't any dubious rumours regarding Redmond, as it stands.

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7 hours ago, Turkish said:

Let me get this straight, a guy you know quite well randomly blurted out a Jack stephens transfer rumour to you whilst you were in the middle of something more important and you never discussed it again, the mind boggles….😯

Someone I know, not a friend at all, the context was a business meeting and several others were present, the meeting was intense.  Next time I see him, I’ll ask him. Not that mind boggling.

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11 hours ago, HarvSFC said:

Stephens is weirdly dependable for a fourth choice centre-back. Much better than Yoshida/Gardos were and can cover other positions too. The lapses in concentration and guarantee of at least one mistake per game is the reason he's not further up the pecking order. Would be a loss to the overall squad, as don't think we're getting better backup at CB.

But that lapse in concentration and prone to a mistake or two is relevant to all our defenders isnt it?....

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I personally think we have massive problems everywhere in defence. 

Goalkeepers - we dont even know who are preferred #1 is. I dont buy the "they're both equal" crap. If anything I don't think either are #1 premier league standard. I also dont see us addressing this in this transfer window as other areas are priority and we dont have the money to strengthen everywhere. 

Left Back - Simple, we dont have one. Hopefully this will be sorted soon with Perraud. Still need another back up.

Right Back - KWP is the only defensive player of any note. Desperately need a back up and was criminal last year to send Valery out on loan. We were always a KWP injury away from disaster. Valery might not be PL material but he's better than sticking our CB's at RB.

Centre Backs - Bloody hell, where do I start, there's no point sugar coating it, our defensive record last year was shit. However, we carried on with the undropable Bednarek & Vestergaard for the most part. Vestergaard gets away with a lot because of his height and the fact that he can spray 40-50 yard passes and granted a lot of our build up play starts with him. Problem is he cant defend. Bednarek for me is a back up CB at best at this level. Stephens the same, decent 3rd or 4th choice. He comes in out of the cold every now and again plays a blinder throws his body at everything etc but once given more than 2 or 3 games in a row the mistakes start creeping in and he becomes a liability. Salisu looks like he good be a good player given the chance. After sat on the bench the 2nd half of last season watching that dross he must be thinking he's got a chance. Feel like he needs an experienced head, an old school leader next to him. 

So basically, we need a total rehaul in defence but its not going to happen. Lets hope we move quicker and get some players in early doors and bed them in over pre-season rather than on deadline day and not ready for the first 2 months of the season

I do fear next season, if we are not careful we could be in trouble. I'm not scaremongering but at the same time I dont think we can sit here and say we are miles better than many other teams. Lets hope the 3 that are coming up are well off the pace.

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