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Ed Rooney

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1 hour ago, once_bitterne said:

But Armstrong is not a CM player and is not very good there.  That's why we don't tend to win games when he plays there.  Likewise not sure that CM is Smallbone's best position, his best game for us was the one he was injured in where he was playing in a more advanced role.

So, as I said, going into a season with only 3 CM players is a bit of a gamble and it means that JWP ends up playing against the likes of Newport which is fine until he picks up a 10 game injury doing this.

Thanks for your through explanation of the PL loan rule.  My bit about signing an embryo from Chelsea was actually a joke (strictly speaking embryos aren't able to play football so it would not have been a viable option).

You seem to struggle with humour a bit.

Umm yes he is and yes he is.

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3 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Is everyone now happy with the summer transfer window, despite some pretty embarrassing comments earlier on?

There's been some positives for sure, but we still have a rather weak spine. 

Still short of an acceptable GK, still lacking cover for Oriel if he gets injured and jury's out on whether we've improved (or even stood still) at CB.

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5 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

If I’m being greedy:  Yangel Herrera loan with an option/obligation?

I guess there are two ways to look at it.

One is that the player will probably not get much league game time unless there are a lot of injuries so an established player is unlikely to want to move to us.

Another is that JWP could easily go next summer so would be great to be able to test someone out as a potential replacement.

Ideal IMO would be a Livramento/Small type buy.

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WestMidSaint

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Whilst there are obviously plenty of positives the AM new contract is infuriating. I don’t go in for all the XG rubbish too much, but did see a stat that he is one of the worst culprits for conceding more than the statisticians “think” he should. In this case it matches what my eyes see so I think it gives the stat some gravitas. 
 

Theo’s contract is also disappointing. I felt last year he did well enough to be consider a decent loan. It should have been a one and done deal and there was not enough shown to warrant the permanent 2 year contract. At a time when we’re meant to be getting rid of bit part players on decent money this seems to go against the grain. At best I guess it’s another body in that they didn’t have to pay a fee for. 

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Matthew Le God

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19 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Not ITK, but a late loan move for AMN from Arsenal is my guess, though depends who else is interested...

 

4 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

I really like him — but we’d almost be saying come in and cover 4 positions for us.

As we now have...

- Livramento

- Perraud

- Small

- Walker-Peters

- Valery

We don't need any central midfielder to also cover fullback like we needed last season. So any new player can be a central midfield specialist rather than a jack of all trades.

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Would love us to drop some good money on a quality DM. Koopmeiners, McKennie, or Yangel Herrerra come to mind. Not too bothered if it is just back up though, both Romeu and Diallo are good players anyway. Wonder if Veerman is still on our radar, could make a good cheap option.

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revolution saint

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3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

As we now have...

- Livramento

- Perraud

- Small

- Walker-Peters

- Valery

We don't need any central midfielder to also cover fullback like we needed last season. So any new player can be a central midfield specialist rather than a jack of all trades.

No, that's correct but to get into the side he would have to either displace JWP specifically or Romeu (and he isn't really a defensive midfielder).  So if he doesn't do that then you're asking him to play as a 10 which again isn't his best position or the one he wants to play.  I can't imagine he wants to move to a club where the chances of starting are relatively limited in his favoured position (or if he does start then it would be out of position).  I'm a big fan of AMN - I think he'd do a great job but realistically he will be looking for almost guaranteed regular starts and it's probably not something we can offer him.  Same goes for Yangel Herrera.  There's a bracket of players that are not good enough for the bigger clubs and too costly to buy for the lesser teams.  Loan is the only option for them but they'll want to have a decent chance of starting - not come in as cover. 

If anything happens then I'd imagine it'll be a loan for a much younger less established player like the deal for Broja - they'll have more chance of breaking into our side than at a big club but won't be thinking they're nailed on starters. 

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SuperSAINT

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15 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Loan bid for AOC at the end of the window?

Not really a 6.

 

41 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

As we now have...

- Livramento

- Perraud

- Small

- Walker-Peters

- Valery

We don't need any central midfielder to also cover fullback like we needed last season. So any new player can be a central midfield specialist rather than a jack of all trades.

My post was poorly worded. 
Was basically trying to say he’s not going to come here because he wouldn’t play (for the reasons you outlined).

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What's our wage bill come down by then?

Southampton 2020-21 Player Wages - Football League FC

weekly wages gone £384k

Vestergaard £62k

Bertrand £72k

Ings £85k

Lemina £65k

Hoedt £60k

Gunn £40k

I bet of our new recruits Armstrong is the top earner on about £40k, with Perrard, Lyanco, Liveramento on about £25-£30k, Small and Simeu probably on relatively low money £10k a week? The one i cant make up my mind baout is Walcott, surely we didn't pay him anything more than £50k a week? There is a rise for Ward-Prowse to factor in but it looks like we've manged to cut out wage bill by £180k or so a week whilst signing 8 players and making a profit on player trading, thats pretty good going. Now if we can find a taker for Shane Long and maybe Redmond......

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WALK DMC

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38 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

We have been linked with Sean Longstaff- he would be a quality addition.

Newcastle fans say that he has never been the same since his major injury a couple of years ago. A player running down their contract isn't the most popular person with the fans so needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, but there does seem to be a unanimous view on this. He is still only 23 so time yet to improve. 

Personally, I'd like to see a big unit to complement what we already have and who can also help defend at set-pieces which have been a weakness so far this season. 

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33 minutes ago, Turkish said:

What's our wage bill come down by then?

Southampton 2020-21 Player Wages - Football League FC

weekly wages gone £384k

Vestergaard £62k

Bertrand £72k

Ings £85k

Lemina £65k

Hoedt £60k

Gunn £40k

I bet of our new recruits Armstrong is the top earner on about £40k, with Perrard, Lyanco, Liveramento on about £25-£30k, Small and Simeu probably on relatively low money £10k a week? The one i cant make up my mind baout is Walcott, surely we didn't pay him anything more than £50k a week? There is a rise for Ward-Prowse to factor in but it looks like we've manged to cut out wage bill by £180k or so a week whilst signing 8 players and making a profit on player trading, thats pretty good going. Now if we can find a taker for Shane Long and maybe Redmond......

Think the Athletic were saying Walcott came in on £75k a week- half what he was on at Everton. They also reported JWP on £100k as top earner.

Would imagine given average wage in PL now is around £60k that Armstrong is in that ballpark figure, with Perraud and Lyanco on slightly less but not far off. Livramento I guess is slightly more than what you've said given the amount of clubs we were competing with. 

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Happy with what we have done. Would like to see either Long out on loan or Obafemi sold as we probably have too many strikers now and I don't think either of them will have much of an impact this season.

If we did get in a CM that would make for a great window.

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11 minutes ago, GGalpin said:

Think the Athletic were saying Walcott came in on £75k a week- half what he was on at Everton. They also reported JWP on £100k as top earner.

Would imagine given average wage in PL now is around £60k that Armstrong is in that ballpark figure, with Perraud and Lyanco on slightly less but not far off. Livramento I guess is slightly more than what you've said given the amount of clubs we were competing with. 

Our outgoings were £138m last year (not including transfers). Not sure what percentage of costs is wages, but if its, for the sake of argument, £100m, that means we have a lot of big earners.

Chelsea are well known for paying youth team fellas an absolute fortune (£30k+), so with a wage increase, Livramento could be on a fair whack.

I agree, if we were paying Lemina £60k a week, why wouldn't Armstrong get that too.

We may have reduced our wage bill, but our costs went up by £7.2m, assuming we are paying the interest on the loan at the end of the year.

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44 minutes ago, GGalpin said:

Think the Athletic were saying Walcott came in on £75k a week- half what he was on at Everton. They also reported JWP on £100k as top earner.

Would imagine given average wage in PL now is around £60k that Armstrong is in that ballpark figure, with Perraud and Lyanco on slightly less but not far off. Livramento I guess is slightly more than what you've said given the amount of clubs we were competing with. 

Who in their right mind would pay Walcott £75,000 a week!

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2 minutes ago, Teddeer said:

Who in their right mind would pay Walcott £75,000 a week!

I suspect we are. A mere £7m over his 2 year deal 😕

Not the smartest but if business we've done recently, but like Long and Forster, it's done and we're stuck with it. 

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1 minute ago, egg said:

I suspect we are. A mere £7m over his 2 year deal 😕

Not the smartest but if business we've done recently, but like Long and Forster, it's done and we're stuck with it. 

You'd think those in charge of the purse strings would learn a few harsh lessons and stop handing out huge contracts to players who clearly offer us very little value. Money is clearly tight so why are we paying Theo, who has been past his best for years, £75,000 a week.

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1 hour ago, GGalpin said:

Think the Athletic were saying Walcott came in on £75k a week- half what he was on at Everton. They also reported JWP on £100k as top earner.

Would imagine given average wage in PL now is around £60k that Armstrong is in that ballpark figure, with Perraud and Lyanco on slightly less but not far off. Livramento I guess is slightly more than what you've said given the amount of clubs we were competing with. 

75k is what we would have been paying him last season. There is no way he is on that now.

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9 minutes ago, egg said:

I suspect we are. A mere £7m over his 2 year deal 😕

Not the smartest but if business we've done recently, but like Long and Forster, it's done and we're stuck with it. 

Who in their right mind would pay any of these players, not just Walcott, tens of thousands a week? Its obscene, it turns football into a parallel universe, one day the bubble will burst because it is unsustainable but meantime market forces dictate and so the players take the benefit. I don't blame Walcott he's worked hard for years, kept fit despite  injuries and deserves the benefit as much as anyone else, more than most

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So Squad is?

1. McCarthy/Forster
2. Livramento/KWP/Valery
3. Perraud (KWP)/Small
4. JWP/Diallo (Smallbone)
5. Bednerak/Stephens
6. Salisu/Lynaco
7. Armstrong(S)/Redmond/Elonyoussi
8. Adams/Walcott/Long
9. Armstong(A)/Broja/Obefemi
10. Romeu
11. Tella/Djnepo

25 plus the injured Smallbone

I suggest the squad is stronger than last year especially if the new players can make the grade.

Another defensive midfielder would assist and hopefully our 'keepers will be less exposed if the spine of the team improves.

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1 hour ago, Killers Knee said:

Best window in a very long time, not perfect but very close.  I’m now very optimistic for this season.  Bring on the big six.

All good until anyone has a shot on goal. Our goal. 

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1 hour ago, spyinthesky said:

So Squad is?

1. McCarthy/Forster
2. Livramento/KWP/Valery
3. Perraud (KWP)/Small
4. JWP/Diallo (Smallbone)
5. Bednerak/Stephens
6. Salisu/Lynaco
7. Armstrong(S)/Redmond/Elonyoussi
8. Adams/Walcott/Long
9. Armstong(A)/Broja/Obefemi
10. Romeu
11. Tella/Djnepo

25 plus the injured Smallbone

I suggest the squad is stronger than last year especially if the new players can make the grade.

Another defensive midfielder would assist and hopefully our 'keepers will be less exposed if the spine of the team improves.

I think undoubtedly the squad is stronger. Is the first team though? That remains to be seen. All depends on this CB imo. 

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15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think undoubtedly the squad is stronger. Is the first team though? That remains to be seen. All depends on this CB imo. 

Yep, but still a man short in midfield for me. 

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27 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think undoubtedly the squad is stronger. Is the first team though? That remains to be seen. All depends on this CB imo. 

Maybe, maybe not, but it definitely has more options and depth, and it was that that caused more problems last year than the quality of the first team. The fit and in form first team got to the top of the league. The injuries and the lack of depth caused the terrible run and lack of holding onto leads, more depth should mean injuries to the first eleven impact performance less and the more options of the bench should help us hold onto leads or change more games. 

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2 hours ago, Teddeer said:

You'd think those in charge of the purse strings would learn a few harsh lessons and stop handing out huge contracts to players who clearly offer us very little value. Money is clearly tight so why are we paying Theo, who has been past his best for years, £75,000 a week.

Not that I would have bought him but he did cost us nothing. 

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Baird of the land

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52 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think undoubtedly the squad is stronger. Is the first team though? That remains to be seen. All depends on this CB imo. 

On preliminary evidence we are stronger at left back, whether that’s perraud or kwp over Bertrand.

CB I was always of the view are cb were much of a muchness, so not really weaker there if anything salisu seems to be progressing. Hopefully Lyanco will be good

striker slightly weaker but Armstrong has been promising

so overall i’d suggest not weaker, potential to be slightly stronger.

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8 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

On preliminary evidence we are stronger at left back, whether that’s perraud or kwp over Bertrand.

CB I was always of the view are cb were much of a muchness, so not really weaker there if anything salisu seems to be progressing. Hopefully Lyanco will be good

striker slightly weaker but Armstrong has been promising

so overall i’d suggest not weaker, potential to be slightly stronger.

I don't think you can cite kwp playing at lb against Newport as evidence that we are stronger there. Much much too premature to say we are stronger at CB, no real change in midfield and slightly weaker in attack as you said. So overall no evidence thus far that we are stronger than last year imo. 

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WE are stronger in both full back positions-and have cover as well. I doubt we are weaker in attack, Danny was not always available and when he was not top form. AA will bring energy we lacked and Roja has fresh fire power, in fact the cover is so good there will be competition for every place, last season we had to play people out of position to get a team on the pitch. Of course we are stronger, the season promises well.

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