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4 minutes ago, whiteleySaint30 said:

Cant be relying on a 17 Yr old in the Premier league - simple as that. 

We wouldn't be though, we already signed Perraud to be the first choice LB.

If we could sign Small then IMO that is exactly the type of signing we should be making in that position as a 2nd full back, like Livramento.

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11 minutes ago, whiteleySaint30 said:

Cant be relying on a 17 Yr old in the Premier league - simple as that. 

Yeah, it would be daft to have a teenage left back in the Premier League.

The last time we did... he was voted in the PFA Premier League team of the season!

Professional Footballers' Association on Twitter: "PFA #BPL Team of the Year #PFAawards: http://t.co/5epylhHKmO"

In any case it wouldn't be a case of relying on him... he'd be back up to Perraud. Plus 18 year old Livramento hardly looks out of place. Better to judge a player on their own merits rather than write them off due to age.

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2 minutes ago, Instant Classic said:

Shhhh that doesn't fit the narrative of our entitled, spoilt brat fan base who hate everyone and everything about the club.

A single opinion does not indicate entitlement or being a member of a "fictional" group; however, your reply was spoken with entitlement and in a spoilt brat manner with no sense of irony. Do you comprehend that it is possible to criticise our club and still be an optimistic supporter?

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1 minute ago, craig said:

A single opinion does not indicate entitlement or being a member of a "fictional" group; however, your reply was spoken with entitlement and in a spoilt brat manner with no sense of irony. Do you comprehend that it is possible to criticise our club and still be an optimistic supporter?

It isn't merely opinion, a claim that Gao is siphoning off money from the club in demonstrably wrong. The accounts show it has not happened. 

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8 minutes ago, trousers said:

No, it's not an opinion, MLG is stating a fact.

 

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I was stating my opinion that if JWP goes for £50million then £50 million will not be available to replace him this transfer window.  Okay?

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11 minutes ago, craig said:

I was stating my opinion that if JWP goes for £50million then £50 million will not be available to replace him this transfer window.  Okay?

It's the false reason that you gave for the £50m supposedly not being available that MLG was picking you up on, not your opinion that the £50m might not be available per se...

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3 minutes ago, craig said:

I was stating my opinion that if JWP goes for £50million then £50 million will not be available to replace him this transfer window.  Okay?

That was not what I was asking you about.

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after Gao has trousered a good chunk of it

On what was that based? As there is no evidence he has done that before.

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Just now, craig said:

I was stating my opinion that if JWP goes for £50million then £50 million will not be available to replace him this transfer window.  Okay?

 

34 minutes ago, craig said:

"after Gao has trousered a good chunk of it." Is this fact then?? You have proof of this when the publicly available accounts say something different?

 

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32 minutes ago, whiteleySaint30 said:

Cant be relying on a 17 Yr old in the Premier league - simple as that. 

We need players we can polish and sell after a few years, otherwise our financial model won't work. Promising scholars that bigger clubs are desperate to keep seems like as sane an investment strategy as any.

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Just now, verlaine1979 said:

We need players we can polish and sell after a few years, otherwise our financial model won't work. Promising scholars that bigger clubs are desperate to keep seems like as sane an investment strategy as any.

But we also need to stay in the division in the meantime. Relegation is pretty costly (and a new keeper/CB price pales into insignificance, compared)

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1 minute ago, DT said:

But we also need to stay in the division in the meantime. Relegation is pretty costly (and a new keeper/CB price pales into insignificance, compared)

I'm assuming 5m for this kid won't put our CB recruitment in jeopardy. If it does, I absolutely take your point, but I can't believe the club won't scrape together enough for both given that Gunn and Lemina both brought in similar amounts.

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11 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

 

 

Looking back at our Transfer Ins and Outs since Gao took over you are correct (it just doesn't feel like that); my bad. However, the main thrust of my point was that I don't think it would be a good idea to sell JWP for £50million with less than 2 weeks of the transfer window left.

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1 minute ago, craig said:

Looking back at our Transfer Ins and Outs since Gao took over you are correct (it just doesn't feel like that); my bad. However, the main thrust of my point was that I don't think it would be a good idea to sell JWP for £50million with less than 2 weeks of the transfer window left.

.....and I totally agree with you. It's just that when Semmens and co continually state that Gao doesn't put any money into the club, he also doesn't take any out. The club is self-sustaining. To hear these unbased accusations (not just from you) all the time is annoying.

 

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47 minutes ago, Dusic said:

We wouldn't be though, we already signed Perraud to be the first choice LB.

If we could sign Small then IMO that is exactly the type of signing we should be making in that position as a 2nd full back, like Livramento.

What if Perraud get injured for 3 months or so - chuck him in amd hope for the best. Name me a 17 year who has played regularly in the prem since it was formed 30 years ago or so(expect there may be 1 or 2 but they would certainly be exceptions)...............

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8 minutes ago, whiteleySaint30 said:

What if Perraud get injured for 3 months or so - chuck him in amd hope for the best. Name me a 17 year who has played regularly in the prem since it was formed 30 years ago or so(expect there may be 1 or 2 but they would certainly be exceptions)...............

Michael Owen, Wayne Rooney, Theo Walcott...

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15 minutes ago, whiteleySaint30 said:

What if Perraud get injured for 3 months or so - chuck him in amd hope for the best. Name me a 17 year who has played regularly in the prem since it was formed 30 years ago or so(expect there may be 1 or 2 but they would certainly be exceptions)...............

But then we have to bodge somebody in place & weaken another position.  

Signing elite academy players is never a bad idea, IMO.

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35 minutes ago, whiteleySaint30 said:

What if Perraud get injured for 3 months or so - chuck him in amd hope for the best. Name me a 17 year who has played regularly in the prem since it was formed 30 years ago or so(expect there may be 1 or 2 but they would certainly be exceptions)...............

Luke Shaw.

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3 minutes ago, adriansfc said:

You can't expect people to be happy having an owner who doesn't have a trillion pounds and buys seven Harry Kanes every summer. 

I do wonder what people want. I don't want to support a city or Chelsea. It's quite fun being among the elite without being a rich club. We've stayed up ten years. We might go down or stay up another ten. But not many clubs manage it. Plenty come up for a year or two, maybe have a single good season like Sheffield United. 

Id rather saints build the club and invest in the long term. Is there even much point now in all spending £200m just to compete for 7th? Because that's what it's become. There's so many wealthy owners they can't all be successful. It's disaster for any of the top 4 not finishing there. Then there's spurs, arsenal, Everton, villa, Leicester all with big money and ideas slightly above their current stations. 

I'd take not making big money shit signings again, working smart and improving players. 

But I'd also really, really like to see a proper goalkeeper. 

Exactly! Wise words. We should be proud,not complaining, that the manager and the team continue to keep us among the elite without the financial means of the elite. The Club's policy means no Harry Kane for us, and that's a good thing. The rich are always so unhappy, Spurs Arsenal etc are always moaning. COYR 

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2 minutes ago, Dellman said:

Exactly! Wise words. We should be proud,not complaining, that the manager and the team continue to keep us among the elite without the financial means of the elite. The Club's policy means no Harry Kane for us, and that's a good thing. The rich are always so unhappy, Spurs Arsenal etc are always moaning. COYR 

Have you actually read this Forum??😉

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11 minutes ago, adriansfc said:

You can't expect people to be happy having an owner who doesn't have a trillion pounds and buys seven Harry Kanes every summer. 

I do wonder what people want. I don't want to support a city or Chelsea. It's quite fun being among the elite without being a rich club. We've stayed up ten years. We might go down or stay up another ten. But not many clubs manage it. Plenty come up for a year or two, maybe have a single good season like Sheffield United. 

Id rather saints build the club and invest in the long term. Is there even much point now in all spending £200m just to compete for 7th? Because that's what it's become. There's so many wealthy owners they can't all be successful. It's disaster for any of the top 4 not finishing there. Then there's spurs, arsenal, Everton, villa, Leicester all with big money and ideas slightly above their current stations. 

I'd take not making big money shit signings again, working smart and improving players. 

But I'd also really, really like to see a proper goalkeeper. 

Your post shows how futile being a Saints fan is. We can hope to stay up and just be the cannon fodder for the top boys. The football season comes around and my mood slips to a depressed state as all I expect is more of Saturdays disappointment. In the past I would hopeful that we could steal or deserve a win, now all Im hoping for is that we dont lose by more than 4. 

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27 minutes ago, Dellman said:

Exactly! Wise words. We should be proud,not complaining, that the manager and the team continue to keep us among the elite without the financial means of the elite. The Club's policy means no Harry Kane for us, and that's a good thing. The rich are always so unhappy, Spurs Arsenal etc are always moaning. COYR 

Exactly...

No one moans on here

Ever

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52 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Signing elite academy players is never a bad idea, IMO.

Completely agree with this, in fact I think other clubs will do a similar thing to this in future, clubs like Chelsea hoover up so much young talent, then fill the first team with ready made players, the young players coming through won't see a way in to the first team, coming to a club like us suits all parties, we get a potential top player before he fulfills his potential, whilst the player gets the chance to actually fulfill that potential by getting much needed game time.

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Someone on Twitter has suggested we have agreed a fee for Maximillian Wober - a centre back from from RedBull Salzburg - 23 and 6ft2.  Seems to have moved around a lot though - but Ajax and Sevilla have good recruitment records.  But begs the question why did they sell him om so quickly.

As always Liverpool were linked with back in January - https://www.rousingthekop.com/2021/01/05/potential-liverpool-target-maximilian-wober-has-possible-red-flag/

Probably not truth in it but there you go.

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5 minutes ago, Rebel said:

Someone on Twitter has suggested we have agreed a fee for Maximillian Wober - a centre back from from RedBull Salzburg - 23 and 6ft2.  Seems to have moved around a lot though - but Ajax and Sevilla have good recruitment records.  But begs the question why did they sell him om so quickly.

As always Liverpool were linked with back in January - https://www.rousingthekop.com/2021/01/05/potential-liverpool-target-maximilian-wober-has-possible-red-flag/

Probably not truth in it but there you go.

hmm, strange. Signed by Sevlla for €10m, hardly played, sold to RB Salzburg for €12m 6 months later. 23 so fits the young, hungry and guaranteed to improve criteria. 

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11 minutes ago, Rebel said:

Someone on Twitter has suggested we have agreed a fee for Maximillian Wober - a centre back from from RedBull Salzburg - 23 and 6ft2.  Seems to have moved around a lot though - but Ajax and Sevilla have good recruitment records.  But begs the question why did they sell him om so quickly.

As always Liverpool were linked with back in January - https://www.rousingthekop.com/2021/01/05/potential-liverpool-target-maximilian-wober-has-possible-red-flag/

Probably not truth in it but there you go.

Anyone reputable on Twitter? Would be an interesting one

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31 minutes ago, Rebel said:

Someone on Twitter has suggested we have agreed a fee for Maximillian Wober - a centre back from from RedBull Salzburg - 23 and 6ft2.  Seems to have moved around a lot though - but Ajax and Sevilla have good recruitment records.  But begs the question why did they sell him om so quickly.

As always Liverpool were linked with back in January - https://www.rousingthekop.com/2021/01/05/potential-liverpool-target-maximilian-wober-has-possible-red-flag/

Probably not truth in it but there you go.

Judging from these stats, he's never been a regular first teamer anywhere.

Maximilian Wöber - Wikipedia

Although a lot of that seems to be down to all of his injuries. Poor lad does seem to be very fragile:

Maximilian Wöber - Injury history | Transfermarkt

Maximilian Wöber - Stats 20/21 | Transfermarkt

Maximilian Wöber - Stats 18/19 | Transfermarkt

 

With his poor health, it's a wonder his mum lets him out to play football any more.

 

Hopefully, there is no truth to the rumour.

 

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2 hours ago, craig said:

A single opinion does not indicate entitlement or being a member of a "fictional" group; however, your reply was spoken with entitlement and in a spoilt brat manner with no sense of irony. Do you comprehend that it is possible to criticise our club and still be an optimistic supporter?

You are Sam the Eagle and I claim my £5.

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47 minutes ago, Rebel said:

Someone on Twitter has suggested we have agreed a fee for Maximillian Wober - a centre back from from RedBull Salzburg - 23 and 6ft2.  Seems to have moved around a lot though - but Ajax and Sevilla have good recruitment records.  But begs the question why did they sell him om so quickly.

As always Liverpool were linked with back in January - https://www.rousingthekop.com/2021/01/05/potential-liverpool-target-maximilian-wober-has-possible-red-flag/

Probably not truth in it but there you go.

 

36 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

No followers and this is their first ever Tweet...

 

 

35 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Anyone reputable on Twitter? Would be an interesting one

 

34 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Nope, see above.

 

33 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

File that in the bin then.

 

32 minutes ago, Nolan said:

he uses umlaughts, though. Why would anyone who didnt know this as fact use umlaughts?

Don't most 'unreputable' football transfer accounts in Twitterland usually have a track record of posting bollocks...? I would venture its quite unusual for someone to go to the trouble of creating a Twitter account just to post an obscure/random tweet (umlaughts an' all), especially about about lil' ol' Southampton. The fact that its a lone tweet could, somewhat counter-intuatively perhaps, add some credence to it....

There again, it could indeed be a load of old bow locks.

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Don't most 'unreputable' football transfer accounts in Twitterland usually have a track record of posting bollocks...? I would venture its quite unusual for someone to go to the trouble of creating a Twitter account just to post an obscure/random tweet (umlaughts an' all), especially about about lil' ol' Southampton. The fact that its a lone tweet could, somewhat counter-intuatively perhaps, add some credence to it....

There again, it could indeed be a load of old bow locks.

Unfortunately there's a load of Saints fans trying their luck at "being ITK" this Summer so it's probably one of them who've created an account for clicks.

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1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Your post shows how futile being a Saints fan is. We can hope to stay up and just be the cannon fodder for the top boys. The football season comes around and my mood slips to a depressed state as all I expect is more of Saturdays disappointment. In the past I would hopeful that we could steal or deserve a win, now all Im hoping for is that we dont lose by more than 4. 

He's got a point though, look at Everton, Moshiri has spent millions to get them to where exactly? Slightly upper mid table. They have done no better with all that investment than we did with just good scouting a few years ago.

Even if we got a billionaire owner who invested in the club I seriously doubt we could match the Man Citys, Chelseas, PSGs, Man Utds, the money is just off the scale. These clubs can spend £250 million a window.

Realistically the best we can hope for is a Leicester like owner to come in, who doesn't throw money at the club but invests for the long term and wants to be here for the long term, builds the club off the pitch and we make good signings on it that put us in a position to take advantages of when the big boys have bad seasons and maybe win a domestic cup here and there. Then even longer term than that set us up as the go to place for developing young talent like say Dortmund. 

But I just can't see us ever going anywhere near the top ever unless there is dramatic shift in how football is run and it not all being about money. 

I mean sadly we had that owner and I think had Marcus still been alive we would probably be a similar position to Leicester right now. 

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