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Lord Duckhunter

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3 hours ago, TWar said:

I can see why you'd think that. I'll make it simple for you:

1) 10s are attacking mids who play in the middle

2) Wingers are ones who play wide

3) In a 4222 our attacking mids often play closer to the middle of the pitch vertically than the forwards and midfielders behind them

4) Therefore we call them 10s

5) Last season we often had one wide on the left and the one on the right in the middle, not always though sometimes we did use two "10s" as Ralph says

6) This is called "asymmetric" as the roles of the two attacking mids are not the same (but mirrored)

7) In order to facilitate this, our fullbacks also were asymmetric in that one of them pushed on (on the right to provide the width vacated by our right attacking mid) and one sat deeper, making almost a back three

8 ) Contrary to this, on the weekend both our attacking mids played wider, more like wingers and less like 10's

9) This made our formation a lot more like a 442 (or even a 4231 as Adams played much deeper, see the average position chart at the end of this post)

10) This is likely the reason why KWP and Armstrong saw themselves dropped as we didn't use a 10 and wanted a more conservative fullback.

I hope this helps decode the riddles. Sometimes there is a bit more to football than leadership skills and passion, it has some tactics involved too, and not just on the playstation!

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What a load of old pony 

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Saint Keef

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3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I think we so play a isometric rotational formation with a deep lying number 6 to call out the automations and triggers. In front of him a number 8 and number 4 who can play slightly narrower than their traditional roles to ensure quick transitions enabling us to use Adams in a false 9 with our number 2 and 3s providing the width and our number 7 playing as a inside 11 to confuse the opposition. All of those is irrelevant of course if our glovesman constantly let in 70% of shots at them so I’d suggest using our number 5 as a false second glovesman to cover the angles where they are weak. We can easily flip to a flexible intersymetric formation should we the opposition switch to a outersymertrical 3-1-6 formation 

Go easy Turkish.....take a break lad.....I think your drugs are wearing off 😀

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beatlesaint

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Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

We’ve got shite in nets, defenders that can’t defend, midfielders that let sides play through us, don’t create much and have a weak mentality. 

Put that in a fucking graph 

 

I don’t always agree with you but you’ve summed up our side superbly there unfortunately 

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East Kent Saint

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2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

We’ve got shite in nets, defenders that can’t defend, midfielders that let sides play through us, don’t create much and have a weak mentality. 

Put that in a fucking graph 

 

It goes along just above the x axis and suddenly goes vertically down below the x axis where we end up playing Portsmouth twice a season.

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TWar

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10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I think we so play a isometric rotational formation with a deep lying number 6 to call out the automations and triggers. In front of him a number 8 and number 4 who can play slightly narrower than their traditional roles to ensure quick transitions enabling us to use Adams in a false 9 with our number 2 and 3s providing the width and our number 7 playing as a inside 11 to confuse the opposition. All of those is irrelevant of course if our glovesman constantly let in 70% of shots at them so I’d suggest using our number 5 as a false second glovesman to cover the angles where they are weak. We can easily flip to a flexible intersymetric formation should we the opposition switch to a outersymertrical 3-1-6 formation 

It's like watching a pensioner try to work a printer. "Err which one is the power cable, it's all confusing and new fangled, back in my day we used brass rubbing and we liked it!"

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Turkish

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1 minute ago, TWar said:

It's like watching a pensioner try to work a printer. "Err which one is the power cable, it's all confusing and new fangled, back in my day we used brass rubbing and we liked it!"

you tried your best to get it, wouldn't worry any further.

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Turkish

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5 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

I'd be interested to know this too. Not being snidey, just curious.

Im not going to name clubs but was at a championship club until i was 16, didn't quite make it (not good enough, not pretending to have an injury which ruined the career), ended up Southern league before discovering beer and women and slowly slipped down the leagues 🤣

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14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I think we so play a isometric rotational formation with a deep lying number 6 to call out the automations and triggers. In front of him a number 8 and number 4 who can play slightly narrower than their traditional roles to ensure quick transitions enabling us to use Adams in a false 9 with our number 2 and 3s providing the width and our number 7 playing as a inside 11 to confuse the opposition. All of those is irrelevant of course if our glovesman constantly let in 70% of shots at them so I’d suggest using our number 5 as a false second glovesman to cover the angles where they are weak. We can easily flip to a flexible intersymetric formation should the opposition switch to a outersymertrical 3-1-6 formation 

Or we could just play every game like our lives depended on it.

Its how I was always taught and breeds winning, god I used to hate losing which made me try harder.

Damn it winning is bad nowadays I forgot perhaps your way is better, get them automatisms sorted ffs

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17 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I think we so play a isometric rotational formation with a deep lying number 6 to call out the automations and triggers. In front of him a number 8 and number 4 who can play slightly narrower than their traditional roles to ensure quick transitions enabling us to use Adams in a false 9 with our number 2 and 3s providing the width and our number 7 playing as a inside 11 to confuse the opposition. All of those is irrelevant of course if our glovesman constantly let in 70% of shots at them so I’d suggest using our number 5 as a false second glovesman to cover the angles where they are weak. We can easily flip to a flexible intersymetric formation should the opposition switch to a outersymertrical 3-1-6 formation 

Agree with all of this but I'd make one small amendment just to make sure we get it in the fucking mixer for the big lad.

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26 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I think we so play a isometric rotational formation with a deep lying number 6 to call out the automations and triggers. In front of him a number 8 and number 4 who can play slightly narrower than their traditional roles to ensure quick transitions enabling us to use Adams in a false 9 with our number 2 and 3s providing the width and our number 7 playing as a inside 11 to confuse the opposition. All of those is irrelevant of course if our glovesman constantly let in 70% of shots at them so I’d suggest using our number 5 as a false second glovesman to cover the angles where they are weak. We can easily flip to a flexible intersymetric formation should the opposition switch to a outersymertrical 3-1-6 formation 

I agree but would have the false 9, 8 and 10 rotate topwise once we have fluxed the mids... 

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derry

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We have played against teams and pulverised them, we have seen teams over run and yet get a result because their keeper dominated and saved everything. Something that McCarthy seems incapable of. On Saturday several times he took up a static "Angel of the north" pose as the ball flashed past him as it has done on numerous occasions in the past. I get the feeling that there is a complete collapse in confidence to defend with McCarthy in goal. 

His passing out from the back bears no resemblence to what is necessary. When he has the ball everything stops dead instead of moving it on quickly he seems to have no idea what he is going to do next so hesitates. 

Forster has had several high profile "him against the odds" displays, Barcelona in the Champions League, Winning the Scottish Cup v Rangers while on loan. He looks in a different class to McCarthy. To me the team seem to look more confident with Forster in goal. He has kept a good proportion of clean sheets, I would have thought it was a no brainer to play him over McCarthy. He also blocks close range something that McCarthy won't do. It shouldn't hinge on whether one or the other is willing or unwilling to sign a new contract, I do wonder why we're even offering one to McCarthy.

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TWar

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1 minute ago, derry said:

We have played against teams and pulverised them, we have seen teams over run and yet get a result because their keeper dominated and saved everything. Something that McCarthy seems incapable of. On Saturday several times he took up a static "Angel of the north" pose as the ball flashed past him as it has done on numerous occasions in the past. I get the feeling that there is a complete collapse in confidence to defend with McCarthy in goal. 

His passing out from the back bears no resemblence to what is necessary. When he has the ball everything stops dead instead of moving it on quickly he seems to have no idea what he is going to do next so hesitates. 

Forster has had several high profile "him against the odds" displays, Barcelona in the Champions League, Winning the Scottish Cup v Rangers while on loan. He looks in a different class to McCarthy. To me the team seem to look more confident with Forster in goal. He has kept a good proportion of clean sheets, I would have thought it was a no brainer to play him over McCarthy. He also blocks close range something that McCarthy won't do. It shouldn't hinge on whether one or the other is willing or unwilling to sign a new contract, I do wonder why we're even offering one to McCarthy.

I think the big downside to Forster is he is crap at claiming crosses and we, arguably correctly, suspected their main avenue of attack would be running down the line and whipping it in to DCL. Issue is, if McCarthy can't claim a ball dropping into his own 6 yard box then he clearly isn't any better.

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Toussaint

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26 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Im not going to name clubs but was at a championship club until i was 16, didn't quite make it (not good enough, not pretending to have an injury which ruined the career), ended up Southern league before discovering beer and women and slowly slipped down the leagues 🤣

Pompey....

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stevy777_x

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1 minute ago, max_saints said:

Oops must have stumbled on the tactics thread, can anyone point me to the transfers thread?

Only slightly more than a week till deadline day and we still have no idea who we're targeting as Vest's replacement. 😐

You have no idea. The club on the other hand has.

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Dusic

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Anyway.

In terms of the CBs that have been mentioned I would lean towards Tosin.

Experience of the PL, 6'5 but also mobile. Its so important to be physically capable in the PL both in terms of strength but also pace and he can cope with both.

Would be peak Saints though to not be able to agree a fee for a player who had a £10m release clause valid until mid July!

Strange Sheldon said we might be keen on Phillips on loan but seemingly not on a perm deal. The £12m-£15m Liverpool want is within our range and either we think he is the one for us or not, loan vs perm shouldn't change that.

Shame the Small link is from FI as sounds like he would be an ideal 2nd LB. I did wonder if Ralph putting Livramento straight in was also a way of sending a message to other, similar transfer targets...

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2 hours ago, Viking Saint said:

Absolutely shit news if accurate 

https://www.hampshirelive.news/sport/football/transfer-news/ralph-hasenhuttl-mohamed-elyounoussi-southampton-5798833

Don’t get me wrong, when he played for us 2/3 years ago, whenever it was, I did think he was poor. Pre season though he has been as good if not better than the likes of Theo, Djenepo and Redmond. I know that’s not saying much but I don’t think he will be worse than those 

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40 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Agree with all of this but I'd make one small amendment just to make sure we get it in the fucking mixer for the big lad.

Getting it in the mixer will increase our XG and LBEWBOFY but our RPWOTBIOA would be reduced due the the lower amount of SFTBPFMOFN

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36 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

I agree but would have the false 9, 8 and 10 rotate topwise once we have fluxed the mids... 

We could really fool them by rotating our false 9.8 & 10s with our false gloves man and number 7 playing in the number 11 position. 

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OttawaSaint

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2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We could really fool them by rotating our false 9.8 & 10s with our false gloves man and number 7 playing in the number 11 position. 

Maybe shift in that front sweeper and left foiler on about 63 minutes. The victory will be ours for sure!!

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1 minute ago, OttawaSaint said:

Maybe shift in that front sweeper and left foiler on about 63 minutes. The victory will be ours for sure!!

That front sweeper is a must! I was thinking the number 6 could pick up that role as kind of a false front sweeper but now you mention it it's such a specialised position we need someone to make it their own. I reckon our new loan signing from Chelsea could be the man. He's so quick he could probably beat an offside trap by running onto the end of his own clearances.

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53 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

My brother in law is a recently retired ex professional and he's not blessed with brains. I expect he'd look at some of the nonsense spouted on here with poncey language and laugh. 

It’s games like Football manager mate and Americanised media like the Athletic. 

They’re basically making kids who cant play the game think they’re pep, because they won the league on a simulated game. 

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Jeremy Corbyn

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6 minutes ago, Dman said:

It’s games like Football manager mate and Americanised media like the Athletic. 

They’re basically making kids who cant play the game think they’re pep, because they won the league on a simulated game. 

Some of us have won multiple leagues in multiple countries.

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41 minutes ago, Dman said:

It’s games like Football manager mate and Americanised media like the Athletic. 

They’re basically making kids who cant play the game think they’re pep, because they won the league on a simulated game. 

They aren't a new phenomenon, they have been about for circa 40 years! 

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1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

This would be my team to start to try and get a goal in 1st half - moussa up there supporting forwards to try and score some goals.

Make subs from 60-70mins to affect the game.

Tino unlucky to be on the bench but maybe a game to come on later.

 

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Which bag of shit do you specify?

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