TWar Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 6 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: Jesus, the lads made 39 career appearances, kudos to those of you who have seen enough of them to make an informed decision. I know almost nothing about the guy but I'll be prepared to give him a go, certainly over Bednarek. The only player from the back line last season I wanted us to keep was KWP. Not concern you he's made that many at 24? He looked dreadful for Liverpool, Stephens is not the best but he looks exponentially better for me, and in a much worse team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 (edited) The Phillips stories won't go away, he seems our 'Armstrong' type target for CB. So expect this to be done for the weekend I reckon. And that will be us done transfer wise. Struggling to get on board with it though if I'm honest. He's the opposite of what we actually lack at CB. Edited 12 August, 2021 by S-Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 Where do we sit in the net spend table currently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 1 minute ago, TWar said: Not concern you he's made that many at 24? He looked dreadful for Liverpool, Stephens is not the best but he looks exponentially better for me, and in a much worse team Not really, Romeu had only made 34 does team appearances aged 23 when we signed him and Bertrand only 43 appearances aged 24 when we signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 2 minutes ago, TWar said: Not concern you he's made that many at 24? He looked dreadful for Liverpool, Stephens is not the best but he looks exponentially better for me, and in a much worse team He's played so rarely it's hard to judge him, but from what i saw he could head the ball well but not much else looked impressive. I think Stephens is massively underrated tbh, just lacking a bit of concentration at times and he could be better in the air. Personally I'm not convinced we can't do better for £15m. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 Dier would be a great addition if we could get him for a reasonable price. Better than what we have at CB and can cover in midfield and even right back if required. Phillips... less exciting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: A 3rd/4th choice centre back isn't going to be the difference between staying up and going down. True, but not buying a 1st choice CB will be. Edited 12 August, 2021 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 Nate Phillips would be a very disappointing signing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 3 minutes ago, egg said: He's played so rarely it's hard to judge him, but from what i saw he could head the ball well but not much else looked impressive. I think Stephens is massively underrated tbh, just lacking a bit of concentration at times and he could be better in the air. Personally I'm not convinced we can't do better for £15m. Kamara and milenkovic are linked with Newcastle and West ham respectively for around that money and I think both are much better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: True, but not buying a 1st choice CB will be. Salisu and Bednarek are fine for what we need as 1st choice. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 Just now, Matthew Le God said: Salisu and Bednarek are fine for what we need as 1st choice. In which case we are fucked. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Salisu and Bednarek are fine for what we need as 1st choice. Is what we need relegation? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 1 minute ago, badgerx16 said: In which case we are fucked. How is being 'fine for what we need' = fucked? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Salisu and Bednarek are fine for what we need as 1st choice. It would be a bit niave to go in with those two as first choice. I think we need to take this opportunity to get a new CB who will be first choice, then it's up to Bednarek or Salisu to stake their claim as 2nd. That's my view anyway. Although It probably won't play out like that. We'll sign Phillips and we'll have Phillips and Bednarek as our primary pair of slow centre backs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 How do we increase the value of Bednarek / Salisu if they don't play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: How is being 'fine for what we need' = fucked? I love that you saying we're fine = we're fine and you have completely disregarded any notion that maybe, just maybe, someone else has a different opinion which is as equally as valid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Is what we need relegation? Bednarek is not remotely as bad as some on this forum make out. I'd be happy with him and Salisu as a 1st choice pairing. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: How is being 'fine for what we need' = fucked? Because as a preferred starting CB pairing they are not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Bednarek is not remotely as bad as some on this forum make out. I'd be happy with him and Salisu as a 1st choice pairing. And others wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Nolan said: How do we increase the value of Bednarek / Salisu if they don't play? Do you think that by playing they will demonstrate that their value should increase ? Edited 12 August, 2021 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 (edited) Seems we might be getting the Bolton baresi to join our Cornish Maldini. Not sure about him, not writing him off completely as really hasn’t played enough to have a full judgement. He was a somewhat feel good story of showing up Klopp and Showing him he should have played the cb he didn’t rate, whilst he farted about with cm’s there. He seemed committed/good in the air, very limited with the ball. Not sure about his pace but didn’t look speedy. Maybe good organizer? Still to me you could go to any warnock/McCarthy team and get someone who’ll go after headers. Unsure at moment what makes him worth the money quoted other than Liverpool branding. Doesn’t seem to offer the really needed ability to play dm as far as I can see either. So i’d Be very worried if he was the final move. Edited 12 August, 2021 by Baird of the land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: How is being 'fine for what we need' = fucked? Because your opinion is not fact. You think Salisu and Bednarek are "fine" for us as 1st choice. Many don't agree, and if someone thinks we're "fucked" with that as our first choice pairing, they can have that opinion. Edited 12 August, 2021 by egg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: And others wouldn't. He's really struggling with this part. 😆 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 17 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Salisu and Bednarek are fine for what we need as 1st choice. i take it you weren't at the Bilbao game at the weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: And others wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 32 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: The Phillips stories won't go away, he seems our 'Armstrong' type target for CB. So expect this to be done for the weekend I reckon. And that will be us done transfer wise. Struggling to get on board with it though if I'm honest. He's the opposite of what we actually lack at CB. It's definitely not a sexy signing and absolutely doesn't fit the DC/DM combi-player Ralph spoke about. But, it's almost like the qualities we were looking for are purely aerial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 We don't know what Salisu's ceiling is, I am pretty sure we now experience Bednarek's - the issue is our team is so chaotic that we need very good centre halves to deal with all thrown their way and when we don't we concede the amount of goals we did last season. I feel sorry for our CB's in some respects, but in others you always get the feeling that a very good CB would make a world of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 56 minutes ago, TWar said: Eric Dier is shit, dreadful suggestion. Have you even watched him? He's fully incompetent. I’ve watched him plenty of times, for Spurs and England. I agree with Jose Mourinho, who regularly played and praised him. I don’t know where you get this “fully incompetent “ opinion from, maybe your controller was playing up that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 2 minutes ago, richardc said: i take it you weren't at the Bilbao game at the weekend I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: I was. if you were and you still think they are good enough for a 1st choice pairing in the prem then ive lost a bit of the respect that i had of your footballing knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: I was. So what leads you to your conclusion that we'll be "fine" with Bednarek and Salisu as our first choice CB? What did you see as positives about that partnership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey88 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 There are a lot of Liverpool fans up my way and they all rate Phillips. General consensus is that it’s a shame he’s going but they understand he wants first team football. He was there player of the month in March or April apparently so this idea he was rubbish for them clearly isn’t true. He was a part of the team that went on a great run to seal Champions League football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 We need quick CBs. Our fullbacks provide most of our width and are integral to us getting forward, and neither Romeu nor JWP have enough pace to cover effectively. Would be madness to buy another slow CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 32 minutes ago, TWar said: Kamara and milenkovic are linked with Newcastle and West ham respectively for around that money and I think both are much better. I've never heard of either to be fair, but I'm not convinced by Phillips. It's a shame Chalobah has stepped out of the shadows at Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 16 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Bednarek is not remotely as bad as some on this forum make out. I'd be happy with him and Salisu as a 1st choice pairing. I assume that, for you, a lot of this is about defending the verdicts you've passed on our players in FM (a game I haven't played in fifteen years). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 1 minute ago, Mikey88 said: There are a lot of Liverpool fans up my way and they all rate Phillips. General consensus is that it’s a shame he’s going but they understand he wants first team football. He was there player of the month in March or April apparently so this idea he was rubbish for them clearly isn’t true. He was a part of the team that went on a great run to seal Champions League football. Klopp didn’t pick him much until the end of the season apparently but he put in a few reasonable performances which they judged him on . Vest came back with a new hair cut and seemed to get stuck in for a bit then dropped off a bit for us . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M271 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 (edited) I read some comments from Liverpool fans that they had to change their defensive tactics to accommodate Philips lack of speed i.e. didn't play with such a high line. Edited 12 August, 2021 by M271 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 Buy someone to make bednerak 2nd choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 38 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Salisu and Bednarek are fine for what we need as 1st choice. hilarious. Really hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob76 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 25 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Because as a preferred starting CB pairing they are not good enough. How do you know that, time may prove you right, it might not. Cannot base that view on one friendly game. I have seen lots of great partnerships get torn to bits in odd games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 22 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: It's definitely not a sexy signing and absolutely doesn't fit the DC/DM combi-player Ralph spoke about. But, it's almost like the qualities we were looking for are purely aerial. If his name was Nathaniali Phillipe people would have a different view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 15 minutes ago, richardc said: if you were and you still think they are good enough for a 1st choice pairing in the prem then ive lost a bit of the respect that i had of your footballing knowledge I'm not saying it'll get us challenging for Europe. But it is good enough for a lower mid table team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bob76 said: How do you know that, time may prove you right, it might not. Cannot base that view on one friendly game. I have seen lots of great partnerships get torn to bits in odd games. I don't rate Bednarek as good enough to be the 'senior' starter of the pair and Salisu has played 50 first team games in his career to date. Edited 12 August, 2021 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPY Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 I get that partnerships and individual ability is important but our best defensive unit is well balanced and more than good enough for mid table. ————JWP-Romeu———— Peraud-Salisu-Bednarek-KWP Two key injuries away from being concerning but would expect one signing soon and one late on in the window to help address that. Think we’ll be looking at similar style deals to Romeu/Bednarek when they were first signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 23 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I’ve watched him plenty of times Yeah but we've seen what your knowledge of football amounts to. Sure he let's in a bunch of goals and is a liabity but he once yelled at the left back and it got you all excited 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: I'm not saying it'll get us challenging for Europe. But it is good enough for a lower mid table team. Ralph clearly said the target is top 10 so you are admitting the pairing is not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 Given Ralph has only not selected Bednarek six times in 110 Premier League games. Once through injury, I think Hassenhuttl has a differing opinion of Bednarek than most here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob76 Posted 12 August, 2021 Share Posted 12 August, 2021 5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: I don't rate Bednarek as good enough to be the 'senior' starter of the pair and Salisu has played 50 first team games in his career to date. Fair enough, we all have opinions, I think with a different partner Bednarek could grow into the role, he has, in my opinion been hampered by playing alongside Vesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 12 August, 2021 Author Share Posted 12 August, 2021 Phillips wouldn't be an exciting signing but having thought about it, we probably need reliable and competent more than exciting at this point, and he does have a few things going for him: - Experience of PL football, no adaptstion time unlike many of our signings - Experience of a similar style at Liverpool and Klopp likes him - Confidence from a really good finish to last season, and I am sure a desire to keep playing games now he had a taste of it - English player where we have lost a couple, also meaning it would be easier to shift him if it didnt work out - Height both defending and attacking set plays 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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