Saint_clark Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 What we need above all else is more bums on seats at St. Marys. Does anybody think that Wotte is going to achieve that? Precisely. Which brings us back to the fact that with Pearson as manager, we all felt united and there would be at least another 2-3000 in the ground regardless of results. If we were doing well (which under Pearson I think we would be) then we would be getting nearly 25,000.
um pahars Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 I have no idea as I have not seen one of his teams play yet - not even for five minutes. Is it alright to see the team in action under his guidance before I write him off as a coach? And I'm sure you were saying the same about Poortvliet. Given that Lowe's recent record on mamangerial appointments is shot to fck, given he was only deemed fit enough to be Academy Director/Reserves Manager and given the fact that Wotte has been heavily involved a& complicit in what we have seen to date, then I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest that this appointment is wanting. As with Poortvliet, that's not being negative, that's just assessing the facts we have, looking at it in with regards the context of where we are today and formulating your own opinion. It's a realistic assessment and opinion given where we find ourselves today.
Wes Tender Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 I have no idea as I have not seen one of his teams play yet - not even for five minutes. Is it alright to see the team in action under his guidance before I write him off as a coach? In normal circumstances, stating that no valid judgement can realistically be made without watching teams of his play would be fair enough comment. However, we do know many things about Wotte that enable a reasonable assessment of how things might turn out under him, as he has been at the club the same amount of time as JP, will work under the same restraints as JP, has no additional knowledge of British football over JP's and was his subordinate, suggesting that his qualities and abilities are also inferior to JPs if that is possible. If most feel inclined towards him as I do, that we do not have time to fanny about with untested and inexperienced managers at this time of crisis, then regrettably for Wotte, he ought to understand why he might not get the support he would normally deserve. Lowe has had his throw of the dice on his mad experiment and it has failed dismally and our league position is testament to that. Lowe appointing Wotte is tantamount to the gambler who has lost heavily, pleading for double or quits. Well, Rupert, I'm afraid that your time has passed and we don't want you or your cronies having anything to do the club one second longer than necessary. You are the weakest link. Goodbye.
krissyboy31 Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 What I don't understand is, in PLC company, isn't there supposed to be a proper selection process? I know in companies I've worked for, if a position became available, even if the successful candidate was 'predetermined' they have had to advertise the position both internally and externally and hold interviews etc. If they hadn't followed that course and someone was just given the job, the unions would have gone barmy. Now I know somebody has to take temporary control (and Wotte is the obvious choice), but surely the club has at least got to be seen to be recruiting the right person, even if after the interview stage they decide Wotte is still that person? Does anyone know what the company's or PFA's and LMA's rules are on this?
CB Fry Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 I have no idea as I have not seen one of his teams play yet - not even for five minutes. Is it alright to see the team in action under his guidance before I write him off as a coach? How long will it be before someone invokes the old Alex Ferguson chestnut and says we need to give Wotte three full seasons before anyone is allowed to make any judgement whatsoever:rolleyes: Wotte a load ********. Wotte out, today.
rpb Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 How long will it be before someone invokes the old Alex Ferguson chestnut and says we need to give Wotte three full seasons before anyone is allowed to make any judgement whatsoever:rolleyes: Wotte a load ********. Wotte out, today. I can't really argue with what you, UP and WE say and fear that you may well be right. I still think we should see if he actually makes a difference before calling for his head though.
Wes Tender Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 I can't really argue with what you, UP and WE say and fear that you may well be right. I still think we should see if he actually makes a difference before calling for his head though. When Burley left and Dodd and Gorman took over, we made a bad mistake and it nearly took us down. Are we to make the same mistake again, but this time with not enough time to turn things around if it goes horribly wrong? We need somebody experienced in this situation and this division and we need them now.
dubai_phil Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 I love it when we go off on our rants about life the universe and everything, it makes much better reading than the usual stuff. Some observations though The CLUB haven't said Wotte is permanent YET JP left on a Friday night with an important game coming up on Tuesday We always assume that the Board are criminally insane when they do anything because of their track record We have a well published problem coming up in Mid-March So just with that in mind, bearing in mind the timelines for employment legislation and everything else, the simple OS statement is that Wotte is first Team Coach. Seeing as he is actually already paid by the club, I think that nobody in their right mind would accept a contract to come and work here for 2 months and possibly not get paid, then what has happened to this point actually makes sense especially as it was splashed all over the press. I think that the publication of the finance issue in the press has a lot more bearing on all the hints, nudges and rumours going on at the moment on here. Obviously it looks like people are looking to find a solution. In that case then it still would make sense to appoint Wotte. Certainly no mention has been made of any change in his contract terms and the CLUB have not (yet) said it is in anyway a permanent fixture. If some are to believed we're moving to Hungary or Holland, this week so what else would anyone on here do? Who was it who once said "follow the money" I think that is where the answer lies in the appointment at the moment, anything else is just internal motivational stuff and external PR. If they say he's got a permanent contract I'll happily eat my words but until then I ain't happy with Wotte but I think I see why.
hypochondriac Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 If this division has taught us anything it is that the most successful managers are the ones who can use the transfer market well to get some cheap diamonds in and who encourage a tough style of play. The best way to do this is if you know the English leagues inside out and know what it takes to succeed. This dutch experiment was never going to work for that reason.
hypochondriac Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 If Wotte was a permanent figure then they would have made that clear by now. IMHO he isn't.
ottery st mary Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 Wotte is a caretaker on a permanent basis well at least until Monday... A new Experienced English manager to run the show would leave Wotte as permanent coach to be utilised wherever. ie Director of Football to take the reigns from our last football guru....Thanks Lowey good effort...Not....Poor old JP did not have a chance with Lowey or his henchman running the show. IMO Wotte and Gorre should have left with the beasts Kim and Lowey. Utter shambles from day one...
WGC Saint Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 I hope to God that Wotte is only temporary. No disrespect to the man but FFS this club desperately needs a decent English Manager who knows the CCC and can motivate the team to get their sorry arses out of the mess we currently find ourselves in. I personally would love to see Roy Keane or Paul Ince but doubt very much they'd either be interested or we could afford their wages.
Wes Tender Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 I hope to God that Wotte is only temporary. No disrespect to the man but FFS this club desperately needs a decent English Manager who knows the CCC and can motivate the team to get their sorry arses out of the mess we currently find ourselves in. I personally would love to see Roy Keane or Paul Ince but doubt very much they'd either be interested or we could afford their wages. You forgot the third option which would apply, even if the other two were overcome; neither of them would be able to work with Lowe, as they have minds of their own and wouldn't brook interference from him.
SaintRobbie Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 when he's sacked next week will it count as another manager for Lowe's tally or do we give him benefit of the doubt as it was only a couple of days? Surely this is temporary.
Mr Saints Posted 25 January, 2009 Posted 25 January, 2009 If Wotte was a permanent figure then they would have made that clear by now. IMHO he isn't. I really do hope you are right mate but isn't that what tomorrow's press conference will be announcing?
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