LGBT+ Discussion

[Lord Duckhunter]

33 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

 

As an aside, did you know that women weren’t allowed to perform on stage in Shakespearean times so men had to play the female roles? I guess that would have rattled your cage too.

Not at all. It’s great that chicks like Eddie can now perform Shakespeare. She’s not my type, I prefer chicks that don’t have a Cock, but I’m sure she’ll make someone a good wife. 

[buctootim]

10 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Not at all. It’s great that chicks like Eddie can now perform Shakespeare. She’s not my type, I prefer chicks that don’t have a Cock, but I’m sure she’ll make someone a good wife. 

Why do you care? Why do you and the other 3 or 4 saddos care so much what other people do?  You're like Poundshop Putins, the ones with less successful careers.   

[Lighthouse]

38 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Why do you care? Why do you and the other 3 or 4 saddos care so much what other people do?  You're like Poundshop Putins, the ones with less successful careers.   

Because for anyone of a right wing persuasion it’s absolute gold dust and makes them look smart, relatively speaking. It’s something lefties support which is delusional, irrational and very easy to argue against.

[Turkish]

Well done John Cleese 👏👏

https://www.theblaze.com/news/john-cleese-transgender-political-correctness-comedy?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook#toggle-gdpr

 

[SotonianWill]

On 29/05/2023 at 09:41, Lord Duckhunter said:

Not at all. It’s great that chicks like Eddie can now perform Shakespeare. She’s not my type, I prefer chicks that don’t have a Cock, but I’m sure she’ll make someone a good wife. 

Nothing to do with this but still can't forget Eddies incredible input into convincing many people to vote Brexit.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

Nothing to do with this but still can't forget Eddies incredible input into convincing many people to vote Brexit.

Yeah, the girl did well there. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

[whelk]

Academia is the worst for wanting to shut people down

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/29/kathleen-stock-says-she-is-a-moderate-as-protests-planned-over-oxford-debate

 

 

[Turkish]

Happy pride month! How are you celebrating this year?

 

[Weston Super Saint]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Happy pride month! How are you celebrating this year?

 

Bit late!  1/30th of the month is already over!

I fear you may not be taking this as seriously as you should!

I shall be celebrating however the famous high street brands tell me I should be, it's easier than actually having to think about it.

[Picard]

The film 'What is a woman' free to watch for a few hours .

 

 

[Picard]

2 minutes ago, Picard said:

The film 'What is a woman' free to watch for a few hours .

 

 

Looks like Twitter are preventing sharing because of misgendering however it can be found on the Daily Wire Twitter account.

[LuckyNumber7]

Just had around 100 or so of the alphabet mafia marching past my flat in town, drums and whistles and loudspeakers etc, disturbing the peace. What is it they want? In 2023 what can a straight person do that a gay person can't? The vast majority couldn't care less who you are attracted to or sleep with as long as it's between consenting adults so why do they continuously have to shout about it and shove it in our faces? Go and be with whoever you want to be with but just shut the f*ck up about it.

[whelk]

37 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Just had around 100 or so of the alphabet mafia marching past my flat in town, drums and whistles and loudspeakers etc, disturbing the peace. What is it they want? In 2023 what can a straight person do that a gay person can't? The vast majority couldn't care less who you are attracted to or sleep with as long as it's between consenting adults so why do they continuously have to shout about it and shove it in our faces? Go and be with whoever you want to be with but just shut the f*ck up about it.

Was it the noise that bothered you?

[Weston Super Saint]

10 minutes ago, whelk said:

Was it the noise that bothered you?

If these cunts were involved, he has a point....

https://www.batalaportsmouth.com/

[Turkish]

[AlexLaw76]

[cloggy saint]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Funny.

[Crab Lungs]

How’s @Turkish’s pride month going? My Rylan bookings are going through the roof. Some would say I’m cinching it.

[Baird of the land]

Cat people, really

Kids identifying as cats? I've got just the remedy - but woke teachers who encourage this deluded nonsense won't like it | The Sun

[Turkish]

19 hours ago, Crab Lungs said:

How’s @Turkish’s pride month going? My Rylan bookings are going through the roof. Some would say I’m cinching it.

Fucking amazing. Been at an industry event this week and a male colleague and I were asked by a drunk middle aged women if we were together, not only does that mean I’m coming across as homosexual he is black so ticking a lot of boxes.

also told a bird who was trying to freeload a drink last night I was mid transition from Rachel to Ron but was also gay so not only was I not going to shag her she ain’t getting a drink out of me either. 

 

[Turkish]

Fabulous celebration going on here. wonderful to see
 

 

[skintsaint]

Put yer norks away love ffs.

[SotonianWill]

9 hours ago, Turkish said:

Fabulous celebration going on here. wonderful to see
 

 

I wish they’d get rid of LGBTQ+ and seperate. Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual should not be categorised along with these people.

Douglas Murray said support for gay marriage is actually going down, and it’s clearly due to them being grouped with these people. I’m not gay but even I know “Queer” to a gay person is an insult not something gay people going round calling themselves. Surely sane LGBs look at this and think fuck off? 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, SotonianWill said:

I wish they’d get rid of LGBTQ+ and seperate. Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual should not be categorised along with these people.

Douglas Murray said support for gay marriage is actually going down, and it’s clearly due to them being grouped with these people. I’m not gay but even I know “Queer” to a gay person is an insult not something gay people going round calling themselves. Surely sane LGBs look at this and think fuck off? 

You actually make a very good point, this to me looks like a freak show. Surely normal homosexual people dont want to be lumped in with this lot?

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, SotonianWill said:

I wish they’d get rid of LGBTQ+ and seperate. Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual should not be categorised along with these people.

Douglas Murray said support for gay marriage is actually going down, and it’s clearly due to them being grouped with these people. I’m not gay but even I know “Queer” to a gay person is an insult not something gay people going round calling themselves. Surely sane LGBs look at this and think fuck off? 

Won’t happen as a lot of people are determined to attach their beliefs to LGB rights in order to gain validity. As a stand alone argument, saying you identify by they/them pronouns is no different to some guy who plays online sci-fi telling everyone he wants to be addressed as ‘Darth’ Steve Pilkington. It’s just emotional blackmail.

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Won’t happen as a lot of people are determined to attach their beliefs to LGB rights in order to gain validity. As a stand alone argument, saying you identify by they/them pronouns is no different to some guy who plays online sci-fi telling everyone he wants to be addressed as ‘Darth’ Steve Pilkington. It’s just emotional blackmail.

Do they though? Why does being gay suddenly make you want to flounce around and dress in PVC singing "we're here we're queer" I thought being LGBT was about what people you are attracted to, not how much you can draw attention to yourself by acting like you belong in the loony bin. This sort of stuff does far more damage to their cause than good. 

[AlexLaw76]

12 hours ago, Turkish said:

Fabulous celebration going on here. wonderful to see
 

 

 

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Do they though? Why does being gay suddenly make you want to flounce around and dress in PVC singing "we're here we're queer" I thought being LGBT was about what people you are attracted to, not how much you can draw attention to yourself by acting like you belong in the loony bin. This sort of stuff does far more damage to their cause than good. 

No, I completely agree. LGB rights used to be a fight for something fair and tangible that people could relate to, the best counter argument right wing conservatives could offer was some guff about, “Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!”

Now though, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel, there are people out there who literally believe gender is a mood you can be in and change every few hours. YouTubers like Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh just need to share a video and say, “hey, look at what the alphabet people are doing this week.”

[aintforever]

4 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

No, I completely agree. LGB rights used to be a fight for something fair and tangible that people could relate to, the best counter argument right wing conservatives could offer was some guff about, “Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!”

Now though, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel, there are people out there who literally believe gender is a mood you can be in and change every few hours. YouTubers like Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh just need to share a video and say, “hey, look at what the alphabet people are doing this week.”

But there have always been some right fairies in the LGBT community, that's not a new thing. Who cares what other people wear or want to call themselves, makes no difference to me. Says more about those who have an issue with it than the people themselves IMO. Maybe a lot of people think an over-weight middle aged man wearing a striped shirt with a teenagers name on the back is weird - each to their own

[Fan The Flames]

My gay cousin lived in Brighton and was political when younger, but can't be arsed with it all now and leaves all the political stuff to what he calls 'the gayers' and has moved out to a smaller town.

[Lighthouse]

56 minutes ago, aintforever said:

But there have always been some right fairies in the LGBT community, that's not a new thing. Who cares what other people wear or want to call themselves, makes no difference to me. Says more about those who have an issue with it than the people themselves IMO. Maybe a lot of people think an over-weight middle aged man wearing a striped shirt with a teenagers name on the back is weird - each to their own

The problem is, it has crossed the line to the point it is making a difference. In many peoples eyes, you are no longer allowed to acknowledge the fact that Sam Smith is a man. There are people who genuinely consider it a hate crime if you don’t refer to ‘them’ by ‘their’ pronouns. That’s without even getting into the much more serious issues of changing rooms, prisons and sports.

If the rest of the world were able to completely ignore whatever you’re claiming to identify as, it’d be fine but we can’t.

[aintforever]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

The problem is, it has crossed the line to the point it is making a difference. In many peoples eyes, you are no longer allowed to acknowledge the fact that Sam Smith is a man. There are people who genuinely consider it a hate crime if you don’t refer to ‘them’ by ‘their’ pronouns. That’s without even getting into the much more serious issues of changing rooms, prisons and sports.

If the rest of the world were able to completely ignore whatever you’re claiming to identify as, it’d be fine but we can’t.

What Sam Smith is or isn't makes no difference to my life, neither has pronouns.

If you think changing rooms, prisons and sports are serious issues you have your priorities all wrong.

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, aintforever said:

What Sam Smith is or isn't makes no difference to my life, neither has pronouns.

If you think changing rooms, prisons and sports are serious issues you have your priorities all wrong.

You dont think a man who claims they are a women being in the same changing room as a 2-3 year old girl is a serious issue? Wow.

[aintforever]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

You dont think a man who claims they are a women being in the same changing room as a 2-3 year old girl is a serious issue? Wow.

Changing rooms are obviously an issue but transexuals have always used other changing rooms, always will. I wouldn't say it was high on my list of serious issues.

Sexual predators in male or female changing rooms is a bigger issue.  

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, aintforever said:

Changing rooms are obviously an issue but transexuals have always used other changing rooms, always will. I wouldn't say it was high on my list of serious issues.

Sexual predators in male or female changing rooms is a bigger issue.  

So changing rooms are a serious issue then 

[aintforever]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So changing rooms are a serious issue then 

Not a serious issue, obviously can be an issue.

If you are so scared of transexuals I would just use a cubicle if I was you.

Edited 27 June, 2023 by aintforever

[whelk]

23 minutes ago, aintforever said:

What Sam Smith is or isn't makes no difference to my life, neither has pronouns.

If you think changing rooms, prisons and sports are serious issues you have your priorities all wrong.

I stay in safe ground by saying Sam Smith is a fat attention seeking twat

[whelk]

Trans debate splits liberals. Got to be on the side of be what you want but actually rolling over what women have fought years for.  Emotive stories are generally outliers but do pose questions that a liberal struggles to answer

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Not a serious issue, obviously can be an issue.

If you are so scared of transexuals I would just use a cubicle if I was you.

Yeah obviously it's about me FFS. It's absolutely not the fact that some people could use it as an excuse or opportunity to prey on women or children. You're an absolute imbecile. 

[whelk]

Let’s have no gender for sport and see how well the girls do

[ashnats]

26 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yeah obviously it's about me FFS. It's absolutely not the fact that some people could use it as an excuse or opportunity to prey on women or children. You're an absolute imbecile. 

So what's your solution? Genital checks at the door? What stops a male predator just identifying as a trans man if you enforce single sex facilities? Far easier than dressing up as a woman and taking hormones.

Have you ever made any trans friends or had a conversation with a trans person? They are actually human beings. if there are any kiddyfiddlers on this site, I'd put money on them being antiwoke boomers, not part of the rainbow crowd.

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, ashnats said:

So what's your solution? Genital checks at the door? What stops a male predator just identifying as a trans man if you enforce single sex facilities? Far easier than dressing up as a woman and taking hormones.

Have you ever made any trans friends or had a conversation with a trans person? They are actually human beings. if there are any kiddyfiddlers on this site, I'd put money on them being antiwoke boomers, not part of the rainbow crowd.

That's entirely the point though. When you start diverging away from proven scientific facts into subjective feelings about someone's own paradigm of gender, there're no lines or rules anymore. Someone who cut their wedding veg off and started taking estrogen 20 years ago is no more a woman, factually speaking, than I am sat here saying, "you know what, I feel a bit girly, I might gender identify as a woman for half an hour or so."

You can argue the semantics of this until the cows come home but the stone wall between right and wrong ultimately comes down to this; nothing you believe supercedes a woman's consent. Esentially you're putting a woman in a position whereby she is forced to believe your own personal beliefs, because if she doesn't, she's being forced to strip naked in front of strange men.

[aintforever]

45 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yeah obviously it's about me FFS. It's absolutely not the fact that some people could use it as an excuse or opportunity to prey on women or children. You're an absolute imbecile. 

Surely a male sexual predator would be more likely to just use the mixed changing rooms, pretty much all the swimming pools I have been to recently are mixed or have a mixed family changing area. Shops are generally mixed. Dressing up in drag, putting a wig on a sneaking into the ladies seems like an odd thing to do - does it really happen that much?

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, ashnats said:

So what's your solution? Genital checks at the door? What stops a male predator just identifying as a trans man if you enforce single sex facilities? Far easier than dressing up as a woman and taking hormones.

Have you ever made any trans friends or had a conversation with a trans person? They are actually human beings. if there are any kiddyfiddlers on this site, I'd put money on them being antiwoke boomers, not part of the rainbow crowd.

You seem to be getting angry and missing the point. Of course trans people are humans, but the lines are very blurred when you start having people deciding what they want to identify as that morning and insisting this is their right, its dangerous ground with no simple answer. The problem is people who want to appear right on aren't able to admit that for the very, very few genuine trans people there there are another group of people who just want it to draw attention to themselves, have other issues and or behave use it as a way to behave dangerously for the other members of the public who have rights themselves. unfortunately the liberals dont like hearing those uncomfortable facts.

[aintforever]

9 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That's entirely the point though. When you start diverging away from proven scientific facts into subjective feelings about someone's own paradigm of gender, there're no lines or rules anymore. Someone who cut their wedding veg off and started taking estrogen 20 years ago is no more a woman, factually speaking, than I am sat here saying, "you know what, I feel a bit girly, I might gender identify as a woman for half an hour or so."

You can argue the semantics of this until the cows come home but the stone wall between right and wrong ultimately comes down to this; nothing you believe supercedes a woman's consent. Esentially you're putting a woman in a position whereby she is forced to believe your own personal beliefs, because if she doesn't, she's being forced to strip naked in front of strange men.

Wouldn’t forcing trans women into male changing rooms cause similar problems though?

I used to work with a trans woman, she was a great girl. When you looked you could tell she was probably trans but she wasn’t a complete munter, and she had a cracking set of jugs. Being forced to strip off in front of blokes would be a bit unkind and maybe put her at risk.

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Surely a male sexual predator would be more likely to just use the mixed changing rooms, pretty much all the swimming pools I have been to recently are mixed or have a mixed family changing area. Shops are generally mixed. Dressing up in drag, putting a wig on a sneaking into the ladies seems like an odd thing to do - does it really happen that much?

You're avoiding the point though. We've all used mixed changing rooms with individual cubicals, that's not always feasibe, especially when space is at a premium. When I was at school you were lucky to get your own clothes peg.

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Wouldn’t forcing trans women into male changing rooms cause similar problems though?

I used to work with a trans woman, she was a great girl. When you looked you could tell she was probably trans but she wasn’t a complete munter, and she had a cracking set of jugs. Being forced to strip off in front of blokes would be a bit unkind and maybe put her at risk.

So you're basically allocating human rights based on prettiness. 'She' is a biological man, claiming to identify as a woman, which is literally no different to something I could go to the gym and do right now. You have arbitrarily decided that 'her' gender identity is valid (and mine presumably isn't) based on little more than hair length and cup size.

If you want to have a boob job and wear dresses, crack on it's your body and your style choice. If a biological man finds the idea of being in a changing room with other biological men distressing, that's a serious mental health problem.

[aintforever]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

If a biological man finds the idea of being in a changing room with other biological men distressing, that's a serious mental health problem.

Or she just might not want to be stared at, harassed or assaulted.

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Changing rooms are obviously an issue but transexuals have always used other changing rooms, always will. I wouldn't say it was high on my list of serious issues.

Sexual predators in male or female changing rooms is a bigger issue.  

Obviously it wouldn't be on your list of priorities but then you're a man and probably not a father to a young girl I would assume.