Anyone starting to look nervously at the table?

[Dark Munster]

15 hours ago, SaintRichmond said:

 

Why can't we attract a Saudi Prince ???

 

Edited 3 March, 2021 by Dark Munster

[LiberalCommunist]

Another Markus would do me. How cruel that we only had him for a year. God rest his soul. 

[Mr X]

17 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said:

Another Markus would do me. How cruel that we only had him for a year. God rest his soul. 

I so wish he was still here he had the real connection to us, Shame we got lumbered with the daughter who had no real interest in us & just sold to the highest bidder with no real research into the decision 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

1 minute ago, Mr X said:

I so wish he was still here he had the real connection to us, Shame we got lumbered with the daughter who had no real interest in us & just sold to the highest bidder with no real research into the decision 

We got promoted twice under her ownership, then we reached our highest ever Premier League position.  Might not be perfect, but hardly the worst owner around.

[Matthew Le God]

1 hour ago, Mr X said:

I so wish he was still here he had the real connection to us, Shame we got lumbered with the daughter who had no real interest in us & just sold to the highest bidder with no real research into the decision 

She invested a lot of money in the club in the early years, we had 2 promotions under her ownership and had four top 8 finishes in the Premier League. She also regularly flew into the country for home and away games. She was clearly very interested or she wouldn't have bothered! 

Edited 3 March, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Dark Munster]

8 hours ago, Mr X said:

I so wish he was still here he had the real connection to us, Shame we got lumbered with the daughter who had no real interest in us & just sold to the highest bidder with no real research into the decision 

[washsaint]

Looking at the table, unfortunately it now looks like a straight shootout between:

Sheff Utd (pretty much down)
WBA (pretty much down)
Fulham
Newcastle
Brighton
Burnley
Saints

Unbelievable after the start of the season that we are grouping Saints in with the rest but I truly think there is a danger we could get dragged in as we are absolutely terrible and even if we only need 2 wins where are they coming from?  We have had 14 opportunities to get a win and have 1 in that time.  And we have 12 games left.

If we don;t have the points on the board in the next 5-6 games we are in real trouble.

[LiberalCommunist]

Score some goals, beat Shef Utd, and we are on for a enjoyable end of the season.

Anything else and we are firmly involved in a fight with bottomed out confidence. 

Come on Saints, put it to bed. 

[Charlie Wayman]

What this topsy turvy season has shown is that the season is long, clubs have good spells and bad and expectations should not be judged by a few games. It looks likely Saints will end up pretty much in the same situation as last year as that is our true level over a full season.

In the same way we knew we wouldn't be PL Champions when top of the league so we should be confident we will not get relegated because of this bad run. 

I cannot see us losing to the Blades we do have more quality than them even if it is not always on display. A 0-0 or 1-1 draw will gain us a much needed point and for now a few scrappy draws will ease worries while the odd win will come when least expected. Expect us to end in 15th place on about 38 points.

Edited 4 March, 2021 by Charlie Wayman

[Teddeer]

11 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

What this topsy turvy season has shown is that the season is long, clubs have good spells and bad and expectations should not be judged by a few games. It looks likely Saints will end up pretty much in the same situation as last year as that is our true level over a full season.

In the same way we knew we wouldn't be PL Champions when top of the league so we should be confident we will not get relegated because of this bad run. 

I cannot see us losing to the Blades we do have more quality than them even if it is not always on display. A 0-0 or 1-1 draw will gain us a much needed point and for now a few scrappy draws will ease worries while the odd win will come when least expected. Expect us to end in 15th place on about 38 points.

I'm pretty certain the Villa fans would have been saying they couldn't see them losing last night as they have more quality. Not suggesting we'll lose and, like everyone, hoping for a resounding victory but these things don't always follow the script.

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said:

Score some goals, beat Shef Utd, and we are on for a enjoyable end of the season.

Anything else and we are firmly involved in a fight with bottomed out confidence. 

Come on Saints, put it to bed. 

Scoring some goals would solve all our problems.

[woodsaint1]

52 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

What this topsy turvy season has shown is that the season is long, clubs have good spells and bad and expectations should not be judged by a few games. It looks likely Saints will end up pretty much in the same situation as last year as that is our true level over a full season.

In the same way we knew we wouldn't be PL Champions when top of the league so we should be confident we will not get relegated because of this bad run. 

I cannot see us losing to the Blades we do have more quality than them even if it is not always on display. A 0-0 or 1-1 draw will gain us a much needed point and for now a few scrappy draws will ease worries while the odd win will come when least expected. Expect us to end in 15th place on about 38 points.

If we only get 8 points from our remaining 12 games then Ralph has to go!! We've given him the benefit of the doubt with the injuries/decisions/luck etc but that would be a grand total of 15 points from our last 26 games (78 points) of the season. Thats indefensible. To me Ralph needs a run similar to how we finished last season - reach mid 40s points wise and an FA Cup semi would be the minimum to rescue this season

[Sunglasses Ron]

I think we really need to take the recent injury problems, congested fixture list and tough games into account.  I really do expect us to beat Sheffield United at the weekend and to get positive results in some of the upcoming games. I think this squad is capable of stepping up when it really matters and the time to do that is now.

[Toussaint]

13 hours ago, washsaint said:

Looking at the table, unfortunately it now looks like a straight shootout between:

Sheff Utd (pretty much down)
WBA (pretty much down)
Fulham
Newcastle
Brighton
Burnley
Saints

Unbelievable after the start of the season that we are grouping Saints in with the rest but I truly think there is a danger we could get dragged in as we are absolutely terrible and even if we only need 2 wins where are they coming from?  We have had 14 opportunities to get a win and have 1 in that time.  And we have 12 games left.

If we don;t have the points on the board in the next 5-6 games we are in real trouble.

The only real threat to us is Fulham, while on current form they are better than us, they have a really tricky run in the next few games. They remind me of the season we went down from the prem, not that bad, just too many draws.  They have 4 games in March, THFC (tonight), Liverpool away, Man City H, Leeds away. The risks for us are, obviously,  we can't keep losing, but Fulham will soon come up against better teams that have no interest left in the season and they will probably pick up points against "on the beach" sides.  With a 7 point lead, we could make it all academic with a couple of wins, so still 100% in our hands. But... potentially we could get little or nothing from our next three games, and if Fulham spring a surprise or two than it would be twitchy bum time.

Massive game tonight against Spurs, if Spurs win that and we beat SUFC on the weekend then it's a 10 point margin and we will have a game in hand. All ifs and buts, but its going to be an interesting few days.

[JRM]

Big few days coming up, Fulham have managed draws recently with Spurs and Liverpool so will fancy their chances. Hopefully they lose both and end the momentum of their unbeaten run. 

Spurs really need to go for the win to put them back in the top4 race. 

[Fan The Flames]

On 03/03/2021 at 08:33, Mr X said:

I so wish he was still here he had the real connection to us, Shame we got lumbered with the daughter who had no real interest in us & just sold to the highest bidder with no real research into the decision 

We will never know how long ML interest would have lasted or how deep his pockets were. I would go back to those days in a heartbeat 

[Matthew Le God]

28 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

We will never know how long ML interest would have lasted or how deep his pockets were. I would go back to those days in a heartbeat 

His daughter oversaw 2 promotions and four top 8 Premier League finishes. Plus invested a huge amount into the training ground. Some Sainta fans overlook that she was owner throughout those times. She clearly is interested in the club or she wouldn't have travelled into the country on multiple occasions to watch them home and away and ploughed her money into the club.

[Mystic Force]

At the end of the season they only count points, not injuries, excuses or circumstances.

As the run of bad form has continued I think it is normal to start thinking about what could be. Especially when the injury situation has deteriorated. However my worrying is not going to do anything all we can do is hope that those with direct input can make this work again. We do not need a lot from the rest of the season to be safe. But carrying such a bad second half of the season, will impact next season, such as moral, and who we can recruit over the summer. I suspect ambition is not in short supply among clubs we are competing for talent with, cash on the other hand might be in short supply from all this year.

[Fan The Flames]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

His daughter oversaw 2 promotions and four top 8 Premier League finishes. Plus invested a huge amount into the training ground. Some Sainta fans overlook that she was owner throughout those times. She clearly is interested in the club or she wouldn't have travelled into the country on multiple occasions to watch them home and away and ploughed her money into the club.

I agree, I was talking about ML.

[VectisSaint]

2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

His daughter oversaw 2 promotions and four top 8 Premier League finishes. Plus invested a huge amount into the training ground. Some Sainta fans overlook that she was owner throughout those times. She clearly is interested in the club or she wouldn't have travelled into the country on multiple occasions to watch them home and away and ploughed her money into the club.

She didn't. Following the tragic death of Markus the ownership of the Club passed into the probate system of Switzerland, and the Club, like other assets of Herr Liebherr was run by a trust (not sure that is the correct technical term). It took nearly 2 years before KL obtained control. Once control was gained things  changed dramatically and quickly, but to credit her with 2 promotions is a gross misrepresentation of the reality. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

37 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

She didn't. Following the tragic death of Markus the ownership of the Club passed into the probate system of Switzerland, and the Club, like other assets of Herr Liebherr was run by a trust (not sure that is the correct technical term). It took nearly 2 years before KL obtained control. Once control was gained things  changed dramatically and quickly, but to credit her with 2 promotions is a gross misrepresentation of the reality. 

Do 2 European campaigns,  4 top 8 finishes and a cup final, count. Or are they a gross misrepresentation of her ownership? 
 

[cloggy saint]

If you told me pre-season that come March we'd be two places below Liverpool in the form table I'd have been made up.

[whelk]

For those that like your algorithms. 0.6% chance of finishing 18th hence the bookies odds on us getting relegated conflicting with our usual Saints pessimism.

So we don’t need to look nervously although noticed we are now being regularly mentioned by pundits as not safe.

[Dusic]

A 1.6% chance of finishing 10th despite being top of the league in November.

What a mad season.

[Teddeer]

Reading between the lines I don't think KWP is going to be ready for this game. If that is the case we may as well leave him out of the City game.

[Lighthouse]

5 hours ago, whelk said:

we are now being regularly mentioned by pundits as not safe.

Standard pundit sound bite for any club yet to reach 40 points, at any point in the last 3rd of the season.

[CB Fry]

Now do people understand that we are not going to get fucking relegated?

[Matthew Le God]

2 points away from 11th!

10 points away from the relegation zone!

[S-Clarke]

4 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Now do people understand that we are not going to get fucking relegated?

But look at Fulham FFS.

They are winning every week!

Oh, wait.

[Lighthouse]

9 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Now do people understand that we are not going to get fucking relegated?

No. We will lose to Man City and the narrative will be, "we still need 7 points to stay up, 8 with our GD and I can’t see where the next win is coming from."

[cloggy saint]

I can see us getting to +/- 46 points this season, safe as the proverbial.

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Now do people understand that we are not going to get fucking relegated?

Yes, now, after Fulham lost to Spurs and we won today, but not before that,  o one could be certain, we have been spiralling, had we lost today followed by a City rout, who could say?

 

[whelk]

Fry has been like the reassuring Saintsweb big brother who tells you it’s all going to be ok and you believe him. 
 

having said that just replied to a post on match thread with someone declaring they had never been so nervous as today so no hope for some.

Newcastle are destined for the 3rd spot although they always surprise a win when you think they are done. Squad is injured to fuck though but Fulham have tough run of games coming up. 

[CB Fry]

13 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Yes, now, after Fulham lost to Spurs and we won today, but not before that,  o one could be certain, we have been spiralling, had we lost today followed by a City rout, who could say?

 

I was absolutely certain that we would get the handful of points required to stay in this division and absolutely certain that a team with 29 points by end of Jan would not be relegated.

Fulham winning or losing a match the other day had absolutely no relevance as I said that day. And, what a surprise it has no relevance.

We were never getting relegated this season, glad you're now on board.

[CB Fry]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

Fry has been like the reassuring Saintsweb big brother who tells you it’s all going to be ok and you believe him. 

Always here for you, man x x

[aintforever]

Should be safe now, great win. 

[sfc4prem]

Squad starting to look a bit thicker with players returning. Amazing what a win can do!

Still need serious investment if we are to ever get back to challenging for Europa League.

[Chapel End]

Lock this thread 

[Toussaint]

18 hours ago, CB Fry said:

I was absolutely certain that we would get the handful of points required to stay in this division and absolutely certain that a team with 29 points by end of Jan would not be relegated.

Fulham winning or losing a match the other day had absolutely no relevance as I said that day. And, what a surprise it has no relevance.

We were never getting relegated this season, glad you're now on board.

I was never not on board, just stating I feel more comfortable now than if the Fulham gap had been reduced to four points with us playing Citeh next. That’s all old chum.

[JRM]

22 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

But look at Fulham FFS.

They are winning every week!

Oh, wait.

These sort of smug comments are unnecessary, don't think anyone said Fulham were winning every week, just that they are not as bad a side as their position suggests with momentum in the right direction, we weren't far enough ahead to be complacent. 

[Saint_clark]

2 minutes ago, JRM said:

These sort of smug comments are unnecessary, don't think anyone said Fulham were winning every week, just that they are not as bad a side as their position suggests with momentum in the right direction, we weren't far enough ahead to be complacent. 

Indeed, we're still only 7 points ahead with Fulham winning today, it's only a 3 game swing. 

[aintforever]

35 minutes ago, JRM said:

These sort of smug comments are unnecessary, don't think anyone said Fulham were winning every week, just that they are not as bad a side as their position suggests with momentum in the right direction, we weren't far enough ahead to be complacent. 

Exactly, especially as a couple of injuries to the wrong players and are we are complete shite.

[Matthew Le God]

34 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Indeed, we're still only 7 points ahead with Fulham winning today, it's only a 3 game swing. 

Even if Fulham managed a 7 point swing, Brighton and Newcastle are shit. It would require all 3 of those clubs to overtake us for us to go down.

We should be looking towards the only 2 points that separates us from 11th place rather than below us.

[sad saints fan]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Even if Fulham managed a 7 point swing, Brighton and Newcastle are shit. It would require all 3 of those clubs to overtake us for us to go down.

We should be looking towards the only 2 points that separates us from 11th place rather than below us.

🤣🤣

[Saint_clark]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Even if Fulham managed a 7 point swing, Brighton and Newcastle are shit. It would require all 3 of those clubs to overtake us for us to go down.

We should be looking towards the only 2 points that separates us from 11th place rather than below us.

I'm not saying we should be terrified of relegation, i'm just saying that maybe after 1 win in 10 games we shouldnt be getting cocky and smug about things. 

[S-Clarke]

 

42 minutes ago, JRM said:

These sort of smug comments are unnecessary, don't think anyone said Fulham were winning every week, just that they are not as bad a side as their position suggests with momentum in the right direction, we weren't far enough ahead to be complacent. 

I see people are getting carried away with Fulham then.

They're playing well, for sure, but they're not ripping up the trees people have been suggesting they have been. The battle is between Fulham, Newcastle and Brighton.

Please, people stop panicking. 

[JRM]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Even if Fulham managed a 7 point swing, Brighton and Newcastle are shit. It would require all 3 of those clubs to overtake us for us to go down.

We should be looking towards the only 2 points that separates us from 11th place rather than below us.

Of course we "should " , doesn't mean we will. Before yesterday we'd won one game in 15 with momentum going against us. 

Brighton are such a weird side, they've been the best team against West Brom and Palace and still managed to lose both, were unlucky to lose to Leicester, perhaps that's a sign they'll go. 

[supersonic]

Still looking over our shoulder. 

Big win yesterday and then a huge game v Brighton next up. 

Having no Ings will be huge. Still in trouble, but should be ok.

[Trout-Tickler]

Our trip to Anfield in May should be a nailed on away win given their form!

[saint lard]

We beat Sheffield United yesterday...they are a piss poor side. 
let’s not get carried away with that rare victory for us. 
next Sunday away at Brighton will be a much tougher task....they’ve been very unlucky with results considering how many chances they create. 
they struggle to convert them...but that can change. 
we lose that game and it’s still not beyond the realms of possibility that  we are just a few points ahead of the relegation candidates.
And we become one of those candidates. 
the complacency on here by many is staggering. 
it’s unlikely come the crunch we are involved in a relegation dogfight....but it’s still plausible.