Morph Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 If Wotte gets the job full-time it will be an even worse scenario than JP. He is despised by the players and has alleged serious personal flaws from what I am hearing from those in a position to know. Duncan, This is a complete shambles, but certainly nothing less than we would expect from Lowe. Even someone like Lowe must feel on the run now and Wilde must be feeling like a rabbit caught in the headlines, don't you think? I believe the end is now nigh, but it is so disappointing. I am constantly reminded by my friend in the Itchen Centre that this regime must be seen to fail before others far better will consider taking over and taking us forward. I was concerned that you felt that Lowe could possibly take over post administration. Maybe he has joined forces with Dennis Roach, who knows All the best and of course all the above is IMHO. Morph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 I am bewildered with all this and just cannot see where it will all end up now. Rupert's management decisions have been appalling in both dynasties and I really can smell the first real whiff of Administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Could be b0ll0cks but I was just told that we played a behind closed doors friendly against a Belgian side today and won 5-2 and Jan was in charge?? Personally I find it hard to beleive as we couldn't score 5 past a girls team. Anyone heard any thing? I heard we were supposed to be playing a behind closed doors friendly, I thought it might have been against Glenn Hoddle's academy again though, so you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alright Dave Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Wotte's coaching career has consisted pretty much of a different team every season for the last 8 years. He is known as a unpopular arrogant **** in Holland and from what FF is saying also at St Mary's. He is clearly Lowe's big mate having also being linked with us the first time Lowe wanted to put this Dutch disaster in place. So in my view this is the worst outcome of all!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 I heard we were supposed to be playing a behind closed doors friendly, I thought it might have been against Glenn Hoddle's academy again though, so you never know. A team from Hungary coming off their winter break according t9o sources including a nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 I heard we were supposed to be playing a behind closed doors friendly, I thought it might have been against Glenn Hoddle's academy again though, so you never know. Facebook post suggests 'maybe' a closed doors game for a potential investor.. hmmm http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=56298189531&ref=mf# One good thing was a quick search of facebook for 'Rupert Lowe' showed he was registered but when you clicked on 'view friends' it says "Rupert has no friends" http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=1054929279#/friends/?id=1054929279 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 I guess it'd be rude to remind that we had a 'proper' manager before Lowe appointed JP... You mean the one that had a full squad to choose from not a bunch of kids and had us in a relegation position going into the last game of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Another sad day in the life of saints Rockandrollman said Now lets get rid of Wotte and all the other Dutch people Lowe brought in. what a knob. lets see what transpires its early days and somebody has to be put in charge in the interim. It dosent matter who is in charge some clever geezer shouts x , y and Z out. ****ing ridiculous state of affairs Oh the "lets wait and see approach". FFS where has that got us? If we were all like you draganov,then no one would ever question Lowe,because he knows best because hes in charge. Also i would argue that IT DOES MATTER WHOS IN CHARGE because if the right person is making the decisions,then on the whole they get things right and therefore SFC actually get to win some games. Though i agree,the day i actually care what you post will make me a knob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 So in my view this is the worst outcome of all!!!!! Or the best, if you think Lowe should step down as he surely cannot survive another failed appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 You mean the one that had a full squad to choose from not a bunch of kids and had us in a relegation position going into the last game of the season. Come on mate. You cannot seriously believe JP was the better choice than Pearson. Yes he had a full squad but there was a heck of a lot of deadwood, players underperforming and the team had been on a run of about 5 straight defeats before he took over. Not keeping Nigel is the worst decision Lowe has made since his return by a country mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 One good thing was a quick search of facebook for 'Rupert Lowe' showed he was registered but when you clicked on 'view friends' it says "Rupert has no friends" http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=1054929279#/friends/?id=1054929279 I sent a request earlier in the week when it was first pointed out, i'm guessing he hasn't been back on yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 I heard we were supposed to be playing a behind closed doors friendly, I thought it might have been against Glenn Hoddle's academy again though, so you never know. My mate has a friend who is a groundsman, he couldn't name scorers etc. But said jan was in charge?? Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt SFC Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 This club is a farce. WHy would any professional football player want to play for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Facebook post suggests 'maybe' a closed doors game for a potential investor.. hmmm http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=56298189531&ref=mf# See post 192 ummmmm, perhaps not so daft after all:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alright Dave Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Or the best, if you think Lowe should step down as he surely cannot survive another failed appointment. This will fail, so lets hope your right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 You mean the one that had a full squad to choose from not a bunch of kids and had us in a relegation position going into the last game of the season. Saintwarwick, did Rupert hold a gun to Jans head and force him to take the job ?.............he knew what he was going to have to work with, and if it didn't work, then surely he must have known the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Come on mate. You cannot seriously believe JP was the better choice than Pearson. Yes he had a full squad but there was a heck of a lot of deadwood, players underperforming and the team had been on a run of about 5 straight defeats before he took over. Not keeping Nigel is the worst decision Lowe has made since his return by a country mile. I didn't say JP was better than Pearson. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_1122 Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 not at all this is just the baord making a tand to say we are doing something and hope we fans do not direct our anger against swansea....... well thing again you gutless board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 I didn't say JP was better than Pearson. HTH. Fair enough, but it does look a bit like you're defending the decision to replace a manager who had done a decent job with no money with an unknown from the Dutch equivalent of Bognor Regis FC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lightjaw Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 and just cannot see where it will all end up now. Just think, it was only about 12 years ago Notts County were in the top flight. Been reading the history here .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notts_County_F.C. Financial crisis and relegation battles. Think they're grateful to have a football club still tho to support. Somebody cheer me up .... please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Nothing to say he's left the club, only his post as head coach. Maybe he and Wotte have swapped?[/QUOTE] How fecking ridiculous does that sound???...............But at Saints its all depressingly possible.....and highly fukkin likely!!!!:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Saintwarwick, did Rupert hold a gun to Jans head and force him to take the job ?.............he knew what he was going to have to work with, and if it didn't work, then surely he must have known the consequences. If you read my reply again it wasn't Jan I was refering to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 I believe the end is now nigh, but it is so disappointing. I am constantly reminded by my friend in the Itchen Centre that this regime must be seen to fail before others far better will consider taking over and taking us forward. Morph then your friends in Itchen centre are complete nkobs as they are watching while Rome burns.Please do not tell me they are better for our club if they are sitting on the sidelines doing nothing. It is obvious that any regime would be welcomed with open arms at this time and dont need to see this regime fail as patently it is failing by not acting decisivily on the manager front. .If you put faith into people like that we are going from bad to worse. What more do they want? murders on the pitch before they decide to put the money where thier mouth is. I'm already losing interest in them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiansaint Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 (edited) JP failed. Statistics speak for themselves. It was obvious he'd be sacked one day or another. But as posted earlier by many, it's not all his fault. I wouldn't blame for al our ills, Can't help feeling genuinely sorry for the man (the coach / manager we can debate to death). Edited 23 January, 2009 by Belgiansaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Wilde statement: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11263 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Morph then your friends in Itchen centre are complete nkobs as they are watching while Rome burns.Please do not tell me they are better for our club if they are sitting on the sidelines doing nothing. It is obvious that any regime would be welcomed with open arms at this time and dont need to see this regime fail as patently it is failing by not acting decisivily on the manager front. .If you put faith into people like that we are going from bad to worse. What more do they want? murders on the pitch before they decide to put the money where thier mouth is. I'm already losing interest in them Admin and then buying will probably interest them more. Loads cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Fair enough, but it does look a bit like you're defending the decision to replace a manager who had done a decent job with no money with an unknown from the Dutch equivalent of Bognor Regis FC. The problem is if you don't read the whole thread you will miss some posts which have lead to the recent posts we are discussing now. It started of with someone saying we need a 'proper' manager, I merely pointed out we are skint and cannot afford a 'proper' manager. Since then the posts have deviated to the extent that you believed I thought JP was better than Pearson. I will reiterate to what I was trying to say before, many on here seem to think we are about to go into administration, if that's the case how are we going to afford a 'proper' manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USaint Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Southampton Football Club Chairman Michael Wilde has issued the following statement following the resignation of Head Coach Jan Poortvliet... "It is a great pity but home results have led to Jan's decision to stand down. He has made a great contribution to the club and the development of individual players. Jan is a man of the utmost honesty and integrity. However, professional sport is all about results and we all sink or swim by reference to the scoreboard. Jan leaves with my heartfelt thanks and best wishes. We have embarked on this season with a very young squad of players, many of who have flourished as individuals under Jan's guidance. Sadly, team performance and overall results have not. Jan's away form is close to play-off place standard but the team's record at home means that we are currently in the bottom three. Any football club Chairman undertakes management changes with great reluctance but with one win in 14, our home performances so far this season have simply not been good enough. Jan has recognised this and has decided that the Club is best served if he stands down. With 18 games to go, I believe we still have ample opportunity to improve on our position before the end of the season and with only 4 points separating ourselves and the 5 teams above us, there is still everything to play for. We must now do everything in our power to maximise our chances of putting clear water between the Club and the relegation zone as soon as possible. In terms of going forward, the Board and management team have already recognised that there are key areas of our playing squad that have needed strengthening. Over the past two weeks, we have signed Lee Molyneux, Jan-Paul Saeijs and seen the return of Marek Saganowski. Following the two games they have so far played, I am confident that all these players can do a good job for us during the second half of the season. We are also hopeful of signing a further striker, which will enable Mark Wotte, who has been asked to take over as Head Coach, to have more attacking options. I have always said that the key to our season would be the ability to secure a consistent level of performance. This is particularly difficult to attain with a team of young players whose performances can vary quite dramatically as they learn to adapt to the demands of Championship football. This is how it has proved to be in the first half of the season with the team failing to build on the back of some excellent away performances. With 28 games now gone, many of our younger players have now gained important experience that will stand them in good stead for the remainder of the season and the battle to come. With Jan's departure, we have considered making further changes but believe, for the time being, that the Club's best interests are served by maintaining a degree of continuity. Despite playing a lot of very good football and creating a lot of chances, we have not converted anywhere near enough, and this is an area that the coaching team will have to concentrate on. The team and the coaching staff remain totally committed to what we are trying to achieve and fully understand the constraints within which we are operating. They are aware that there is a big challenge ahead and I am confident that they will deliver." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Cool, a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Southampton Football Club Chairman Michael Wilde has issued the following statement following the resignation of Head Coach Jan Poortvliet... "It is a great pity but home results have led to Jan's decision to stand down. He has made a great contribution to the club and the development of individual players. Jan is a man of the utmost honesty and integrity. However, professional sport is all about results and we all sink or swim by reference to the scoreboard. Jan leaves with my heartfelt thanks and best wishes. We have embarked on this season with a very young squad of players, many of who have flourished as individuals under Jan's guidance. Sadly, team performance and overall results have not. Jan's away form is close to play-off place standard but the team's record at home means that we are currently in the bottom three. Any football club Chairman undertakes management changes with great reluctance but with one win in 14, our home performances so far this season have simply not been good enough. Jan has recognised this and has decided that the Club is best served if he stands down. With 18 games to go, I believe we still have ample opportunity to improve on our position before the end of the season and with only 4 points separating ourselves and the 5 teams above us, there is still everything to play for. We must now do everything in our power to maximise our chances of putting clear water between the Club and the relegation zone as soon as possible. In terms of going forward, the Board and management team have already recognised that there are key areas of our playing squad that have needed strengthening. Over the past two weeks, we have signed Lee Molyneux, Jan-Paul Saeijs and seen the return of Marek Saganowski. Following the two games they have so far played, I am confident that all these players can do a good job for us during the second half of the season. We are also hopeful of signing a further striker, which will enable Mark Wotte, who has been asked to take over as Head Coach, to have more attacking options. I have always said that the key to our season would be the ability to secure a consistent level of performance. This is particularly difficult to attain with a team of young players whose performances can vary quite dramatically as they learn to adapt to the demands of Championship football. This is how it has proved to be in the first half of the season with the team failing to build on the back of some excellent away performances. With 28 games now gone, many of our younger players have now gained important experience that will stand them in good stead for the remainder of the season and the battle to come. With Jan's departure, we have considered making further changes but believe, for the time being, that the Club's best interests are served by maintaining a degree of continuity. Despite playing a lot of very good football and creating a lot of chances, we have not converted anywhere near enough, and this is an area that the coaching team will have to concentrate on. The team and the coaching staff remain totally committed to what we are trying to achieve and fully understand the constraints within which we are operating. They are aware that there is a big challenge ahead and I am confident that they will deliver."Im sorry I have been very understanding but replacing Jan with Wotte is like replacing Baldrick with the village idiot. from the little i know of Wotte he like Hoddle would eat himself if he was made of chocolate. Not a step forward and sadly I cannot support this appointment. Wotte like Jan does not have experience in this league. I have to hope my thoughts are wrong but on this occasion I fear the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Cool, a striker. Yes FINALLY we're getting Drogba YAHOOOOPOO HOO! Oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 The problem is if you don't read the whole thread you will miss some posts which have lead to the recent posts we are discussing now. It started of with someone saying we need a 'proper' manager, I merely pointed out we are skint and cannot afford a 'proper' manager. Since then the posts have deviated to the extent that you believed I thought JP was better than Pearson. I will reiterate to what I was trying to say before, many on here seem to think we are about to go into administration, if that's the case how are we going to afford a 'proper' manager? I guess the simple answer is we are up Sh*t Creek. It was a ridiculous decision in the summer IMO. Appointing a foreign manager from a much lower level of football, knowing we wouldn't have any cash to spend on a plan B if and when it failed. I don't know whether we can afford a 'proper' manager. I guess it's the lesser of two evils. Go into administration, or get relegated, then go into administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Im sorry I have been very understanding but replacing Jan with Wotte is like replacing Baldrick with the village idiot. from the little i know of Wotte he like Hoddle would eat himself if he was made of chocolate. Not a step forward and sadly I cannot support this appointment. Wotte like Jan does not have experience in this league. I have to hope my thoughts are wrong but on this occasion I fear the worst. lol the beer went on the screen. We CANNOT replace Baldrick - he has a cunning plan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Admin and then buying will probably interest them more. Loads cheaper.Well thye are not thinking of the clubs well beeing first.Thinking like theirs will give us no respite from the rubbish we have put up with for some years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Im sorry I have been very understanding but replacing Jan with Wotte is like replacing Baldrick with the village idiot. from the little i know of Wotte he like Hoddle would eat himself if he was made of chocolate. Not a step forward and sadly I cannot support this appointment. Wotte like Jan does not have experience in this league. I have to hope my thoughts are wrong but on this occasion I fear the worst. Not often your posts make me smile but I appreciate your first sentence- classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Well thye are not thinking of the clubs well beeing first.Thinking like theirs will give us no respite from the rubbish we have put up with for some years. What sort of investor thinks of the club before themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Well thye are not thinking of the clubs well beeing first.Thinking like theirs will give us no respite from the rubbish we have put up with for some years. Nick we have crossed swords on a few occasions...welcome to the darkside or is it brighter now you have finally seen the light? No pleasure for any of us in JP's failure but many of could see it weeks ago but to go for Wotte......and Judas coward Wildes statement is unbelievable !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 What sort of investor thinks of the club before themselves?An investor who really thinks about the club first.Im in business and understand your sentiments but seeing that people who could act now are waiting for thing s to get worse before acting are not a step forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 South Today just said Wotte is in charge til the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 South Today just said Wotte is in charge til the end of the season. Cue several games before a Nigel Pearson lookalike comes in, and this time fails, because we've gone too far down the road of cheapskate failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Nick we have crossed swords on a few occasions...welcome to the darkside or is it brighter now you have finally seen the light? No pleasure for any of us in JP's failure but many of could see it weeks ago but to go for Wotte......and Judas coward Wildes statement is unbelievable !! Ron its not seeing the light, I have been anti/sceptical about Jan from day 1. I have said since xmas that RL must get rid of Jan or I could not support any thing he does. Wotte is not the way out of this IMO and whilst I would love to be wrong I dontr think it will take any pressure off the lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 South Today just said Wotte is in charge til the end of the season. Yeah, that's when his contract originally runs out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 trousers Full Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Maggie Philbin's coal bunker Posts: 3,628 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So...another week that promised "significant events" peters out.....surprise surprise... Do you remain confident of this and your other observations....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 trousers Full Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Maggie Philbin's coal bunker Posts: 3,628 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So...another week that promised "significant events" peters out.....surprise surprise... Do you remain confident of this and your other observations....? WOW Something FINALLY happened on a Friday........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 "Today men, we're after this man here..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 I think the board have obviously heard about the planned demos and tried to take the sting out of the situation Sorry Jan your the fall guy, to Wooperts little experiment Yep, my thoughts exactly. There had to be a fall guy after Doncaster and the planned protest has forced Lowes hand. Not very dignified behaviour from Lowe though. Should have done it earlier and not been embarrassed into it by the planned protest. Better still he could have carried the can himself and left, but fat chance of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Ron its not seeing the light, I have been anti/sceptical about Jan from day 1. I have said since xmas that RL must get rid of Jan or I could not support any thing he does. Wotte is not the way out of this IMO and whilst I would love to be wrong I dontr think it will take any pressure off the lads. I remember you stating you would be angry and upset if Pearson wasnt kept on though Nick...its what this club does under Lowe it destroys any chance of building anything and I fail to see why anyone supports him given his history. He is the anti-Midas. Perhaps JP has gone back to his spiritual home and another not Ruperts fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Well just got in from the pub logged on to be greeted by this. Is it a change for the better? Have to say I don't think so dont try to tell me that Wotte didn't have more than enough input into our situation as it stands now. So how is he going to suddenly change things. Hope I'm proved wrong but IMHO we need a complete change of direction not more of the same. It just apears to me to be another Lowe puppet. Oh sorry Judas Wilde has finaly made a statement hasn't he must be his decision then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Just got home but not suprised with JP resigning or Wotte taking the reigns for now. I am not happy with him taking over but it was on the cards. In my opinion it does not remove the problem just passes it to someone else equally inept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 So, if JP decided to leave off his own back, why did he decide to step down? Surely if he was doing really badly, I dunno, like 1 home win in 14, surely someone in Lowes position would've been man enough to say enough is enough. But no, Lowe just hands him the gun, turns his back and waits for the bang. Lowe is a coward and a Charlatan! This is very well put. Lowe should have had the bottle to sack the man and not taken a very cowardice approach to the situation. The man is definitely loosing it big time. As someone else said, Wotte just took a very strong reserve team to the mighty Millwall and lost 2.1 which should result in an inquest on it's own !!!!!!!!!! Wotte the f_ _ _ who bloody cares. If it was in a comic you wouldn't bother to read it it's so ridiculous..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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