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Worse than Tuesday- gutless, clueless, inept.  Utd showed us how to play against 10 or 9 but like against arsenal we haven’t a clue how to play when an organised defence sits back. Nobody showing, nobody making runs.  If they are tired why no other subs? Vest, Adams only really ones to show.  

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Hugely embarrassing few days. We go down to 10 men we expect and receive a battering. We go down to 9 men we expect and receive a massive battering. The situations are reversed and all we expect and get is a masterclass in how not to break teams down. Absolutely fuming with this team and Ralph right now, that was fucking awful.

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Why did Ralph press the repeat button today... Sorry but there were some glaring Ralphisms there today and he has to be scrutinised, much more, though he’s ‘a nice man’ and all that......

We do not adapt in games, and are very predictable with our slow build ups, almost as slow as Ralph’s recognition of how a game needs to alter with the circumstances. 
 

it’s time Ralph felt some pressure, everyone is too nice, including a large portion of fans. It’s time Ralph felt some heat.
 

 

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Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

I’m angrier about this result than both the Leicester & Utd 9-0’s. Had we peppered their goal ala England Poland & the keeper had a worldy that’s one thing, but it was comfortable for them. I thought this lot were different, but they’re a bunch of fucking son in laws. No fucking balls, none of them. 
 

The manager needs a long hard look at himself tonight. Woeful tactics today, particularly against 9. But where’s the leaders, where’s the skipper sorting things out. Fucking embarrassing. I hope there’s a few right handlers dished out in the dressing room tonight, because a couple needed chinning. 

Absolutely 

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Just now, The Cat said:

Terrible that we barely created a chance after getting back to 3-2. Other than Ings hitting the post and the header straight at their keeper from the corner we did nothing despite having a 1 or 2 man advantage.

We were so predictable in our play that it was actually very easy for them to defend. 

Not sure I can cope with the oncoming BT love in coming for Newcastle. As much as i love Ralph, he has to take the blame for this defeat. We kept 5 men behind the ball when they only had 9 men. One sub, made. Djenepo had to come on when we were chasing the game. Best chance we had to win a game and lift heads for the rest of the season.

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I was less willing to blame Ralph for the 9-0, but I will here. Redmond should not have played the full 90 here. The guy has over 200 EPL appearances and yet can't hit a first man with a fucking cross. Newcastle were happy to give him half of Tyneside knowing full well he won't do anything with it. If Djenepo is fit to be on the bench, then there is no excuse that he didn't come on. Also the decision to let go of Valery looked crazy at the time, and still does. We could have done with a full back overlapping on that side.

Also how fucked up is it that we play with two strikers, yet only have two senior strikers in the squad. It means when Che and Ings are out of form, and the latter is woeful at the moment, we have nothing to draw upon. 

But Redmond- what is the point of him? He rarely beats a man, has little pace, little tricks, little end product, and is actually just shit. When has he ever played he way back into the side? He gets dropped, waits for someone to get injured or dropped, and gets called up again

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2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Last 20 mins were a tactical horror show. Minamino playing deeper, looking to play balls in behind I imagine. Redmond hugging the far right and passing the ball to the corner flag. 

I really don't know what our approach was in those last 20 mins? It was truly baffling tactically. Explain that one please Ralph.

Ralph only has one tactic - when we lose the ball in their third charge. Oh, and play a rediculous high line when defending set pieces.

I know Redmond wasn't good, but it was tough in those conditions. The ball didn't run and it was impossible to dribble. Bertrand didn't do much on the left wing either. Thought Minamino should have bene subbed. He tired and completely disappeared.

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Lot's of things to pull apart today but when we were struggling to break Newcastle down I had a look at the bench and couldn't see anybody on there that I thought could spark something for us. Diallo or Armstrong might have been a nice option as somebody to play around the corner in those right spaces.

 

It was also noticeable how much we miss KWP. Bertrand just isn't offering the threat he used to and with Stephens having to cover at RB we lacked any real threat from out wide.

 

Redmond gets a lot of hate and some of it is frankly OTT but he looks to have lost the confidence to drive at the opposition. To say he's 'non league' standard is clearly b*llocks but we need much more from him if he wants to be a feature in the side.

 

Minamino looked good, well taken goal, but tired as the second half went on. If Tella isn't going to get on at that point it's hard to see him ever having an impact on the first XI.

 

Stephens positionally was poor. He's not a rb. He can cover but up against Saint Maximan he was bound to be taken apart. Bednarek is having a week from hell. McCarthy's place must be under threat. Ings is not looking sharp, we're talking such fine margins but things that would come off for him last season are just not quite happening.

 

Can we have a few weeks off to regroup? Is there an international slot coming up soon?

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Ralph:

“No- we didn't deserve anything”

“the way we conceded was far too easy and not the way to defend in the PL. We tried and had a few chances but when you defend like this it is hard to get points.

The way we gave the goals away was too easy.

We need to fight back to the behaviours of the beginning of the season. It is always immediately the same problem when you start [a game] like this.

In general, we must fight back to the way we played before and the PL is a long season. The difference between a good team and a team that wants to be good is to show consistency for 38 games. “

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Disappointing but at the end of the day it's just a game. At least we scored, that's something. right? Surprised that 5 defeats on the trot is a top flight record for us (breaking records all over the place), I would have thought we'd have manged more than 5 in the 90's when we were proper shit.

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United showed us how to take apart 9 men. As others have said o am more angry at this result than the United performance. We gifted them 3 goals and looked less likely to score on the last 20 than we did when they had 11 on the pitch. Once again clueless how to break down a packed defence. The sodden pitch didn’t help our playing style but that is no excuse. We badly miss KWP and Stu. Really angry tonight.

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11 minutes ago, Manuel said:

Honestly, if they'd gone down to 8 I think we might have got something.  

Really? I think if it were just Darlow and Almiron left we'd have still struggled to get anything.

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Really really poor all round. First half a complete disaster for individual mistakes, they pressed us really well and forced them but regardless, shocking from us.

 

Second half, they're done to 9 men, bad conditions, JUST GET THE BALL IN THE BOX.

 

Simply not good enough.

 

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So weird that when I saw the red for Newcastle my immediate response was “oh shit!”. 

We don’t have a clue to score against a team that sits back. It’s easy for teams now. Wait for us to gift them an opener and then just sit back. Job done. We’ll either not score or we’ll give you another goal later on.

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1 minute ago, DT said:

Ralph says we need to find the reset button. Can you find the never let Tedmond play again button while you’re at it please?

There were lots of players that we utter shit, not just him. Whipping boy.

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My takeaway

It’s like we are afraid to attack even when we are at an advantage with numbers on the pitch watching the game you can see hesitation and apprehension is this because of the spanking we received last game the lads are a bit reluctant to go full gung ho in case we are countered?

Lost count of the amount of times I’m sat there going shoot! For god sakes pull the trigger but no it’s either a extra silly touch or playing silly buggers……..

I am glad somebody else has mentioned Redmond he is absolutely terrible doesn’t dribble with the ball or take players on just seems to play the easy backwards balls which creates a lot of pressure by the opposition.  I’d be tempted to sell him in the summer has been here a few seasons now and has done nothing…..

Ings not sure what is going on he just looks a bit crap in recent games not the same player head turned? Not up to speed? Reluctant to go full pelt because of potentially getting injured?

Tactics and game management was shocking like a lot of people have said you are up against 9 men go for the jugular! Not sit around knocking the ball about slowly …….. Moussa should of came on a lot quicker!

Embarrassing performance….

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Not one positive to take from that. 

Tactically shit. No passion. Poor passing and crossing. Ings doesn't look at it. Minamino ended up as a kind of left back. Redmond may as well have played for them. McCarthy shocking. Just terrible all over the park, and more to the point, from the manager. 

Failing to beat 9 men is a disgrace, much more so than getting battered in the week.

Embarrassing. 

 

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Ok here are the positives: Vest is back and Romeu is back.  Two beautiful goals.

Now the negatives.  Alex. A shadow of the 2020 version so far this year.   Assuming Forster plays well in cup he needs to keep his place.  Bednarek needs withdrawing from front line and psychologically rewiring.  Salisu to play Thursday alongside Vest.  And one thing not being spoken about, we have gone seven league and cup games without EITHER striker scoring.  Worryingly they are beginning to look like players who know they have no competition for places.  Is Ings contract issue weighing on his mind?

 

Finally why did Ralph not bring Moussa on for Bednarek when Newcastle went down to ten men?  We didn’t need four defenders for so long 


 

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That was a shocker.

 

Gifting away goals and simply not creating anything is a bad, bad sign.

 

Something needs to change, certainly the formation and the players.

 

Perfect game to try something different against Wolves with no pressure of it being a cup game.

 

McCarthy has been solid for us over the years, but after conceding 18 goals in 5 games, and with today's shocker, it's time we gave FF a run of games.

 

Stephens has been really, really poor., As has Bednarek who was lucky not to be sent off again. 

 

Bertrand has a very relaxed style of play and attitude, i'm not sure that's helping the current situation.

 

Redmond didn't put one decent ball in all game and looked sloppy. 

 

Ings has lost all confidence and Adams just hasn't got it for me at the top level.

 

The problem is, where is the competition? 

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7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Should we have kept Long because of that display by Ings?

False equivalence imo - difference is Walcott will at least have the confidence to take his man on, whereas Long has offered nothing since Koeman and Redmond has offered very little since his excellent late 2018 - early 2019 spell.

I do agree with the substance in that I don't think any of the 3 are up to the required standard.

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Redmond wasn't very good but he wasn't the reason we lost the game.

The biggest factor was the McCarthy mistake when we had got back into the game. He is sometimes too careless. That was a big moment.

Tactics when they went to nine were questionable, but we aren't a team setup to just bang balls into the box, that isnt how we score goals.

At the start of the game our passing out of defence was awful, Vestergaard and Romeu were off the pace and Stephens got targetted playing at RB.

If you concede 3 away from home you aren't going to get points very often.

We are clearly in a bad moment, but it will turn.

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4 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

Redmond gets a lot of hate and some of it is frankly OTT but he looks to have lost the confidence to drive at the opposition. To say he's 'non league' standard is clearly b*llocks but we need much more from him if he wants to be a feature in the side.

 

Amen. Way OTT.  He has been out of the side quite a while.  Little wonder his confidence has been dented a bit. Djenepo has ben shit. Walcott gone off the boil in last few weeks, yet Redmond gets one game and its all his fault we created little.

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4 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

When is Ralph going to see what everyone else can ie Redmond is a busted flush?

Don’t you think if Armstrong and/or Theo had been fit that useless sod would of been sat on the bench?

I don’t know what his problem is, a couple of injuries and he gets his chance to show the manager why he should be in the team.....and he failed miserably. He’s been absolute crap since the restart after lockdown.

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7 minutes ago, Chez said:

Ralph only has one tactic - when we lose the ball in their third charge. Oh, and play a rediculous high line when defending set pieces.

I know Redmond wasn't good, but it was tough in those conditions. The ball didn't run and it was impossible to dribble. Bertrand didn't do much on the left wing either. Thought Minamino should have bene subbed. He tired and completely disappeared.

I can't show any sympathy towards Redmond. I have no time for the guy.

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Dreadful defending. Lack of pace and imagination. Danny way off his best. Redmond can't cross. Unable to implement a plan B. 

Dare I say it but 2 great goals and if we had defended like earlier in the season we would have won. Sorry for the slight note of optimism.

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1 minute ago, Chez said:

Amen. Way OTT.  He has been out of the side quite a while.  Little wonder his confidence has been dented a bit. Djenepo has ben shit. Walcott gone off the boil in last few weeks, yet Redmond gets one game and its all his fault we created little.

Agree.  He was pretty decent in the first but, as usual, struggles to break a team down....like most of the team.

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Just don’t understand why Ralph would leave Romeu on the pitch when we need a goal against nine men, I’m not Djenepo’s biggest fan but his unpredictability was what we needed there, rather than just constant crossed. 
 

Would bring Salisu in for Bednarek on Thursday, his confidence looks shot. 

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I’m frustrated but I don’t think it’s as dreadful as most on here seem to think.

Yes you should be able to beat 9 men, but the pitch was dreadful making passing hard. We were unlucky when Ings hit the post too. Redmond was ineffective, but we lost because of the defensive errors more than anything else.

 

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Very angry about this result. We scored 2 great goals from Minamino and Prowsey who were both the main positives for us from today, but when they went down to 9 men, we created barely anything. We got to turn this around and quickly. 

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2 minutes ago, whelk said:

5 attempts on target against 10 and then 9 is truly pathetic 

It was all so slow and ponderous, just sideways passes in front of a defence given time to organise and relax. Ridiculous against 10 and then 9 men. Newcastle are shit anyway, we gifted them this game, got given it back but were the utterly clueless about how to accept the present.  

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2 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Redmond wasn't very good but he wasn't the reason we lost the game.

The biggest factor was the McCarthy mistake when we had got back into the game. He is sometimes too careless. That was a big moment.

Tactics when they went to nine were questionable, but we aren't a team setup to just bang balls into the box, that isnt how we score goals.

At the start of the game our passing out of defence was awful, Vestergaard and Romeu were off the pace and Stephens got targetted playing at RB.

If you concede 3 away from home you aren't going to get points very often.

We are clearly in a bad moment, but it will turn.

Have to disagree, had he or someone playing else playing  there, taken players on, drawn players out of position, run into the box at full speed and maybe drawn a pen , not to mention taken a shot or two, we would have won. That game was there for the taking and he was a big part of the problem. 

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