Newcastle 3-2 Saints - Match Thread

[CanadaSaint]

Too much in love with our own style when we’re chasing a result.

It is Ralph’s biggest failing. Our greatest strength is also our biggest weakness, and it’s killing us.

[gammon cheeks]

We always struggle to beat 10 men ...9 should have been easier !   Pretty pathetic really.... same tippy tappy pointless football that did not really go anywhere !

[Turkish]

Just now, CB Fry said:

Absolutely pathetic.

If it was other way round, we'd have lost 6-2 and it would be all the excuses about we were down to nine men and it was raining and what do you expect. Fucking pathetic.

Yep. Pathetic is right. We were worse when they went to 9, created nothing. 40 minutes against 10, 20 against 9 and created about 2 chances. Utter shit

[whelk]

Normally mock the knee jerk idiots in here but with them tonight. Livid at that showing.

[Disco Stu]

I'm not aware we've won a single game, or even scored a goal, against 10 men under Ralph. If a team wants to hold on against us, they can. I thought at the time when they went a man down that it was the worst thing that could have happened to us in this game.

Edited 6 February, 2021 by Disco Stu

[JRM]

3 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Fucking shambles. Those last 20 minutes were diabolical. 

In someways I think losing to 9 man Newcastle is more embarrassing than the United game on Tuesday. Players shouldn't be able to look each other in the eye after that. Hopefully Ralph asks Steve Bruce for some lessons in defending with reduced numbers after the game. 

[aintforever]

Anyone who thinks we shouldn’t keep Walcott after that display by Redmond is a fucking idiot.

[Mr X]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

I don't think we'd have got anything if it was just their goal keeper playing.

😂

[washsaint]

We have big issues at the club - the players are mentally so weak and our play is so predictable and slow with no cutting edge.

Spineless, gutless, pathetic and I donl;t think we would have scored if Newcastle had 6 players on the pitch.  Utterly shameful display.

[Katalinic]

That last 20 minutes says a lot about the mentality of those players. Can't hold a lead, can't beat 9 men. Terrible decision making, no quickness of thought. Awful.

[Bewildered]

Made it so easy for Newcastle to defend once they went down to 10. All too slow and too central, no attempt to pull them wide and create gaps. Redondo had zero business staying on for 90 minutes.  

On the other hand Newcastle showed the spirit and bottle we lack to win that, if the roles were reversed we would have been slaughtered.

[Chapel End]

Cant think of anything to say... just What the Fuck

[Archers Road Stand]

Two embarrassing results in a week. 

Ralph really isn't as great as he's made out on here, bang average. 

How the fuck did Redmond play that entire game? He's absolutely gash. Championship standard at best. 

McCarthy can do one for his error on the 3rd goal. 

Ings doesn't look interested. Hard to see how we'll turn this around. 

[Dimplex]

More angry today than on Tuesday night. Absolutely abysmal performance in the second half. Just know we weren’t going to score - just passing around at the back allowing Newcastle to get in position every time. No pace, urgency or intelligence. Shocking. 

[SupersonicSaint]

People speak about how Leicester defeat wasn't as bad as the subsequent one to Everton. For me this is the new low

[S-Clarke]

Just now, JRM said:

In someways I think losing to 9 man Newcastle is more embarrassing than the United game on Tuesday. Players shouldn't be able to look each other in the eye after that. Hopefully Ralph asks Steve Bruce for some lessons in defending with reduced numbers after the game. 

It's more than just a 9 man Newcastle. They were without their leading goal scorer for most of that, they came in to it with a patched up defence and had to patch it up even more during the game. Then going down to 9 men it was even more bonuses for us, yet we still didn't have anything.

[Chez]

Got to ask, when they went down to nine why we didn't have a left midfield or wing playing to help us get some two on ones? Minamino tucked inside and Djenepo wasn't brought on. Far too many playing up the middle waiting for a cross that never came. Very poor tactically. Should have someone hugging the touchline like Redmond was on the the side. Why did Ralf not see that?

[westmidlandsaint]

Why do we play so f***ing slow going forward. At the start of the season we were exciting to watch now when we go forward everything is laboured. 

Say what you want about the 9-0 but Newcastle showed us today that even by going down to 10 & then 9 with the injury it doesn't mean you have to cave in.

We need to bring some intensity when going forward and stop giving away stupid goals like the 3rd today. 

[derry]

A hundred passes across the field against nine men. I bet Newcastle couldn't believe their eyes. Stick Vestergaard up front, put the ball into the box. Intense pressure not square passing just wasting time.  If Redmond checked back once he did it fifty times. Get to the bye line you idiot.

[saint michael]

All style over substance... press press press tip tappy...slow sideways backwards then sheer panic in front of goal

[Jonnyboy]

Season is done. Just try to stay up and plan for August.

[kitch]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

Normally mock the knee jerk idiots in here but with them tonight. Livid at that showing.

Same. I try to be rational as I can when judging performances, but that was abysmal. I'm more angered by this result than by the 9-0 vs. Utd! This needed to be a reaction, and it was the complete opposite.

[bpsaint]

Pathetic. 

If it had been us that went down to 10, and then 9 we’d have been well and truly buttfucked.

No fight and poor tactics from Ralph, he’s coaching this shower of shit this ones on him.

As for Macca in goal, well, I wanted Fraser to start in the pre match build up, AM has all the presence of a fucking snowman.

im honestly more embarrassed than Tuesday night. A make shift Newcastle team ultimately down to 9 men and that’s how we perform. 

Shambles.

[Toussaint]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I don't think we'd have got anything if it was just their goal keeper playing.

Yep, Redmond would have got tackled by the corner flag

[whelk]

Steve Bruce is a smarter manager than Ralph

[Saint_Jonny]

Flabbergasted at how wrong this season has gone after such a strong run up to Xmas. Stunning. 

That performance was pathetic.

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Anyone who thinks we shouldn’t keep Walcott after that display by Redmond is a fucking idiot.

Should we have kept Long because of that display by Ings?

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

Can someone tell me where the next points are going to come from. What's that, 1 win in 10 or 11?, I've lost count. 

[S-Clarke]

Just now, Chez said:

Got to ask, when they went down to nine why we didn't have a left midfield or wing playing to help us get some two on ones? Minamino tucked inside and Djenepo wasn't brought on. Far too many playing up the middle waiting for a cross that never came. Very poor tactically. Should have someone hugging the touchline like Redmond was on the the side. Why did Ralf not see that?

Last 20 mins were a tactical horror show. Minamino playing deeper, looking to play balls in behind I imagine. Redmond hugging the far right and passing the ball to the corner flag. 

I really don't know what our approach was in those last 20 mins? It was truly baffling tactically. Explain that one please Ralph.

[DT]

We miss KWP’s urgency massively. Only one with any pace plu ball retention

[Chapel End]

Just now, whelk said:

Steve Bruce is a smarter manager than Ralph

Hahahahahahaha.. made me laugh thanks

 

[kitch]

1 minute ago, westmidlandsaint said:

Why do we play so f***ing slow going forward.

Two words. Nathan, and Redmond.

[nta786]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

It's more than just a 9 man Newcastle. They were without their leading goal scorer for most of that, they came in to it with a patched up defence and had to patch it up even more during the game. Then going down to 9 men it was even more bonuses for us, yet we still didn't have anything.

I don’t think we even mustered a single chance when they went down to 9.

At 10 men we had a half chance when Ings hit the post and that was it. 

 

[trousers]

When Newcastle went 2 nil up they threatened to run away with the game and I'd have happily thrown in the towel at that point...

Going in 2-1 at half time would have been ok in the circumstances, but the McCarthy cock-up for 3-1 killed us.

All that said, we should do much better against 10, and then 9 men. Yes, the dreadful conditions made it easier to dig in and defend than it did to attack, but no excuses really.

All that said, you won't find me joining the doom-and-gloom brigade just yet. We had a fantastic 2020 and I'm convinced we can rediscover that form. With Armstrong and KWP we'd have got something from today (IMO). We can't underestimate how important those two players have been to us over the last 12 months.

It took us a few weeks to regain our confidence after last season's 9-0 and it'll probably be the same this season. I still think we'll finish top half (just).

#glassstillhalffull

 

Edited 6 February, 2021 by trousers

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, Archers Road Stand said:

 

Ings doesn't look interested. Hard to see how we'll turn this around. 

bollocks. Course he does. Just just not going his way. The players try, they are just not world beaters.

[S-Clarke]

Just now, whelk said:

Steve Bruce is a smarter manager than Ralph

I think you also need to look at the makeup of the players.

Their players aren't as good technically, but they have much stronger hearts and professionalism. We are hopeless when the chips are down. We are a fine example of a team that only 'sings when it's winning'.

[The Cat]

Terrible that we barely created a chance after getting back to 3-2. Other than Ings hitting the post and the header straight at their keeper from the corner we did nothing despite having a 1 or 2 man advantage.

We were so predictable in our play that it was actually very easy for them to defend. 

[Charlie Wayman]

When will this shambolic nonsense ever end. Totally pathetic.

We go down to nine men we lose 9-0, when the opposition go down to nine men, bloody Saints can't even score one.

Redmond is useless, just get rid. Minamino was the only bit of class in a red shirt. He made Adams, N'Lundulu look like the plodders that they are. Even Ings is becoming a waste of space. The 11 points we need are going to be very hard to find.

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

1 minute ago, Jonnyboy said:

Season is done. Just try to stay up and plan for August.

At this rate I'd be surprised if they manage to stay up. This is Saints. Probably the only club who could top the Premier league and be relegated in the same season. Just another embarrassing record to add to the growing collection.

[CB Fry]

Just now, Chapel End said:

Hahahahahahaha.. made me laugh thanks

 

If nothing else it showed that a Steve Bruce Newcastle would not lose nine-nil. They knew what to do when up against it, rather than capitulate.

[Hawkswood]

Pathetic

[Saint Scott]

Our own downfall. Bednarek taking a swipe at a shot McCarthy was about to gather for their second, stupidity right at the end of the first half to concede the third. 25 minutes against 10 men and the last 20 minutes against 9 constantly pissing about the middle of park. Where's the creativity to switch it up!? A long switch from vestergard or some 1 touch passing through the middle. No, let's continually pass it to Redmond who couldn't take the ball past a child. 

The most infuriating game I've watched in years. Any other team would of put that Newcastle team to bed in 10 minutes of that second half 

 

[haddock22]

My season ticket refund can't come soon enough.Imagine if we were paying too watch this

[Chapel End]

Just now, trousers said:

When Newcastle went 2 nil up tbey threatened to run away with the game and I'd have happily thrown in the towel at that point. 

Going in 2-1 at half time would have been ok in the circumstances, but the McCarthy cock-up killed us.

All that said, we should do much better against 10 then 9 men. Yes, the dreadful conditions made it easier to dig in and defend than it did to attack, but no excuses really.

All that said, you won't find me joining the doom-and-gloom brigade just yet. We had a fantastic 2020 and I'm convinced we can rediscover that form. With Armstrong and KWP we'd have got something from today (IMO). We can't underestimate how important those two players have been to us over the last 12 months.

It took us a few weeks to regain our confidence after last season's 9-0 and it'll probably be the same this season. I still think we'll finish top half (just).

#glassstillhalffull

 

I actually agree now i`ve read it and thought about it but, god do they ever make it bloody hard

[Micky]

I've got to try to take the positives out of that,  3 - 1 down all half time, all I wanted was not to lose more goals.   We did it, and we scored as well...!

We are woeful. We probably need another 8 points for safety,  anybody who thinks we are not rapidly joining the bottom half fight needs to think again.  There was never, ever any elephant in the room, never.  I wouldn't worry too much about losing Ings at the end of the season, JWP will be gone as well. 

9 men, 9, and we blew it.  9 is becoming a number synonymous with the total capitulation that is Southampton FC.  Bloody embarrassing. 

 

[Convict Colony]

Bednerak MOM for Newcastle, he now needs to come out the defence, I don't care what he knows about Ralph he's not undroppable.

We played with 10 men as well with Redmond on the pitch.

Thank god for miamino and JWP, rest should hang their heads

[redkeith]

The pitch did save Newcastle a bit , as it was impossible to zip the ball around, but Jesus was our crossing bad.  To many low balls or hitting the first defender. 

Miramino looked OK, great goal, but I was hoping for a few Tadic style balls in.

When that Ings shot bounced back into the keepers arms, I new we  had had it,  At least we scored some goals, but 3 cock ups for theirs. 

 

 

 

 

[doggface]

Shambolic.  More of an embarrassment than Tuesday.  Not the reaction we were promised.  Players going through the motions.

2 cracking goals papered the cracks of a gutless display.  Deserved nothing.

The wheels have well and truly come off the bus and Ralph’s looking clueless atm.

Cannot play so slow and backwards unless we are full of confidence and in control of the game.

We need to go back to the pressing high, direct, low possession model.  
 

fucked right off

 

 

 

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Last 20 mins were a tactical horror show. Minamino playing deeper, looking to play balls in behind I imagine. Redmond hugging the far right and passing the ball to the corner flag. 

I really don't know what our approach was in those last 20 mins? It was truly baffling tactically. Explain that one please Ralph.

He had Djenepo sat on the bench and chose to let Redmond see out the game against 9 men. Inexcusable.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

I’m angrier about this result than both the Leicester & Utd 9-0’s. Had we peppered their goal ala England Poland & the keeper had a worldy that’s one thing, but it was comfortable for them. I thought this lot were different, but they’re a bunch of fucking son in laws. No fucking balls, none of them. 
 

The manager needs a long hard look at himself tonight. Woeful tactics today, particularly against 9. But where’s the leaders, where’s the skipper sorting things out. Fucking embarrassing. I hope there’s a few right handlers dished out in the dressing room tonight, because a couple needed chinning.