Man Utd 9-0 Saints - Match Thread

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, ChrisPY said:

As I said, I think his Plan A is brilliant and as you’ve pointed out has resulted in a fantastic run of form.

Seems stupid to think that because of that there’s no reason to look for ways to improve and that includes with Ralph’s tactics (and I’d rather Ralph improved his tactics than we got rid of him).

Plenty of examples where we’ve dropped points from winning positions where we could have tightened up at the back or where we’ve needed a late goal and continued persisting with passing the ball around the defence and midfield to try and draw the opposition out.

 

Don't disagree, there has to be ways we can improve. No professional outfit should lose 9-0. But he's dealt a tough hand...the bench full of kids, arguably some are probably non-league standard.

But we don't respond well to adversity in games, partly that is our players - their make up is shit, but Ralph does need to take some responsibility on pulling back/closing up when needed. Sometimes we just carry on the same style for the fun of it. Leeds are very similar, they play the same way if they're 4-0 or 0-1.

You risk getting absolutely bum fucked with that approach though, as we've seen. Twice.

[Saint Pete]

1 minute ago, DT said:

I too would like him to be outspoken to the point of being fined

Not sure you gain much from that having lost by 9 to be honest. Just make yourself look even more silly. I would like him to day we will appeal the second red and leave it at that for now.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

How can the same shit happen twice? Once a freak occurence, but twice? It shouldn't happen. We all thought the club was getting back on track,but the events of the past few days have just showed us for what we are. A Micky Mouse club run by an owner who either doesn't care or lacks the basic tools to run a football club. If we didn't know we were skint before the transfer window we do now. Looks like we had to shift three players out on loan just to be able to get a player in, who we just got offered and took as a panic as all our other options weren't available. There is going to be a firesale in the summer,Ralph will walk, then we will back to square one, hiring out of work managers who nobody else wants.

 

[Viking Saint]

1 minute ago, Jonnyboy said:

Ralph alluding to corruption? 

"you have your story" 

What did he say??

[stknowle]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

we didn't press, we parked the bus, but we don't have a clue how to do it, and have defenders that didnt do the basics right, like prevent crosses and head crosses away.

The French kid's attempt for the final goal was pathetic. Not blaming him particularly, he shouldn't be near the pitch, but it was.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Not posted in years but nowhere near as bothered or worried about this result as I was Leicester.  Look at the circumstances behind tonights result:

1. Significant injuries

2. Very poor backups playing (what, our fifth choice right back and same in CM?)

3. Unfortunate marginal decisions going against us

Yes the performance was poor but the situation is not terrible - it's three lost points.  In the context of the season we're in a position that reflects our squad.

In the bigger picture we are where we are because of mistakes made in the past, and whilst it would be nice to have an owner who invested whatever turnaround we achieve is over a number of seasons.

Last thing - was highly amused at the petulance of Stephens and Armstrong towards Mike Dean 😂

[WALK DMC]

4 minutes ago, nta786 said:

Ralph needs to have a rant about Mike Dean that’s all I want.

Something along the lines of ‘we will refuse to play a team which has Dean officiating’, just anything.

It’s just injustice when this guy is involved in our game 

The trouble is that when you lose 9-0 it just looks like sour grapes to complain about 1 or 2 decisions that unfairly went against us. The best thing we can do is dust ourselves off, get some of the battered troops back in the team (hopefully KWP & Romeu) are possible and the red card for Bednarek rescinded.   This is not a bad team and the best response we can give instead of complaining about that idiot Dean is to win at Newcastle on Saturday. 

[Nolan]

That shouldn't have been a 9-0 game.

Stupid VAR decisions made it a 9-0 game.

The rules are currently not fit for purpose.

[Micky]

I'm going to watch MOTD.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

Not posted in years but nowhere near as bothered or worried about this result as I was Leicester.  Look at the circumstances behind tonights result:

1. Significant injuries

2. Very poor backups playing (what, our fifth choice right back and same in CM?)

3. Unfortunate marginal decisions going against us

Yes the performance was poor but the situation is not terrible - it's three lost points.  In the context of the season we're in a position that reflects our squad.

In the bigger picture we are where we are because of mistakes made in the past, and whilst it would be nice to have an owner who invested whatever turnaround we achieve is over a number of seasons.

Last thing - was highly amused at the petulance of Stephens and Armstrong towards Mike Dean 😂

Let’s be honest. We all knew it was going to be a snooker score when Jankewitz  got sent off

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Viking Saint said:

What did he say??

"Jan Bednarek does not kill him but I do not want to speak about the referee. Last week he was our VAR and made his mark in the game. 

[Saint Pete]

3 minutes ago, Saints1976 said:

9 fuckin 0. 😂

So what positives can we take from the game.  😂😂

The only positive is that it happened before and we came out the other side pretty well. So we know we can do it again.

And I guess that Mike Dean doesn't ref all of our games.

[austsaint]

2 minutes ago, stknowle said:

The French kid's attempt for the final goal was pathetic. Not blaming him particularly, he shouldn't be near the pitch, but it was.

If you go back and look at the replay you will find that the ball took a deflection taking it away from the French kid's head.

[Hawkswood]

5 minutes ago, Saints1976 said:

9 fuckin 0. 😂

So what positives can we take from the game.  😂😂

It wasnt 10 ? Thats all Ive got.

[nta786]

1 minute ago, WALK DMC said:

The trouble is that when you lose 9-0 it just looks like sour grapes to complain about 1 or 2 decisions that unfairly went against us. The best thing we can do is dust ourselves off, get some of the battered troops back in the team (hopefully KWP & Romeu) are possible and the red card for Bednarek rescinded.   This is not a bad team and the best response we can give instead of complaining about that idiot Dean is to win at Newcastle on Saturday. 

Correct but let’s bring the Villa match into this too- we can see how we were shafted in that too which turns a loss to a draw or even a win.

it was a penalty all day long and that offside could have been interpreted as onside. 

[Donatello]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

Lol. fck off

Good point, well made 🙄 

[teamsaint]

7 minutes ago, Saints1976 said:

9 fuckin 0. 😂

So what positives can we take from the game.  😂😂

No injuries ?

[MarkSFC]

4 minutes ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

Not posted in years but nowhere near as bothered or worried about this result as I was Leicester.  Look at the circumstances behind tonights result:

1. Significant injuries

2. Very poor backups playing (what, our fifth choice right back and same in CM?)

3. Unfortunate marginal decisions going against us

Yes the performance was poor but the situation is not terrible - it's three lost points.  In the context of the season we're in a position that reflects our squad.

In the bigger picture we are where we are because of mistakes made in the past, and whilst it would be nice to have an owner who invested whatever turnaround we achieve is over a number of seasons.

Last thing - was highly amused at the petulance of Stephens and Armstrong towards Mike Dean 😂

My thoughts precisely.

[Chez]

1 minute ago, stknowle said:

The French kid's attempt for the final goal was pathetic. Not blaming him particularly, he shouldn't be near the pitch, but it was.

Agreed. I know Stephens is an easy target for some, but he wilted.

[Teddeer]

8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Any quotes from Ralph? 

"Romeu, Romeu, where for art thou Romeu"

[Hodgey]

Didn’t feel like a 9-0 oddly, in some ways the bizarre decisions have masked the score line. A big concern for me is what is going on with our youth - we have stated aim to have half the team made up from the youth and yet seemingly have neglected our youth set up in terms of both talent and aptitude- they all look utterly lost to me. Given we don’t have a pot to piss in so can’t buy talent this is of major major concern

[beatlesaint]

3 minutes ago, Micky said:

I'm going to watch MOTD.

I’m not going to watch MOTD

[Nolan]

Is Bednarek's red card appealable? Or do we have to put up with the fact he misses Saturday?

[Ekelund]

5 minutes ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

Not posted in years but nowhere near as bothered or worried about this result as I was Leicester.  Look at the circumstances behind tonights result:

1. Significant injuries

2. Very poor backups playing (what, our fifth choice right back and same in CM?)

3. Unfortunate marginal decisions going against us

Yes the performance was poor but the situation is not terrible - it's three lost points.  In the context of the season we're in a position that reflects our squad.

In the bigger picture we are where we are because of mistakes made in the past, and whilst it would be nice to have an owner who invested whatever turnaround we achieve is over a number of seasons.

Last thing - was highly amused at the petulance of Stephens and Armstrong towards Mike Dean 😂

Couldn't agree more 👍

[stknowle]

1 minute ago, austsaint said:

If you go back and look at the replay you will find that the ball took a deflection taking it away from the French kid's head.

Happy to stand corrected if that's right. It looked properly shit on first viewing and like I say I don't blame him anyway, we as a club should not be in a position that we need to field untried rookies against Man Utd. 

[cf saint]

6 minutes ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

Not posted in years but nowhere near as bothered or worried about this result as I was Leicester.  Look at the circumstances behind tonights result:

1. Significant injuries

2. Very poor backups playing (what, our fifth choice right back and same in CM?)

3. Unfortunate marginal decisions going against us

Yes the performance was poor but the situation is not terrible - it's three lost points.  In the context of the season we're in a position that reflects our squad.

In the bigger picture we are where we are because of mistakes made in the past, and whilst it would be nice to have an owner who invested whatever turnaround we achieve is over a number of seasons.

Last thing - was highly amused at the petulance of Stephens and Armstrong towards Mike Dean 😂

This.

[Sheaf Saint]

3 minutes ago, WALK DMC said:

The trouble is that when you lose 9-0 it just looks like sour grapes to complain about 1 or 2 decisions that unfairly went against us. The best thing we can do is dust ourselves off, get some of the battered troops back in the team (hopefully KWP & Romeu) are possible and the red card for Bednarek rescinded.   This is not a bad team and the best response we can give instead of complaining about that idiot Dean is to win at Newcastle on Saturday. 

The thing is though, the decision to disallow Che's goal was farcical. There's no way you can look at those lines and say with absolute certainty he was offside, and the goal should have stood. At 4-1, suddenly it's a different game. We get a bit of confidence and belief and maybe we go on to score another.

So yeah, you can say it looks like sour grapes, but the fact is that one decision did have a massive influence on he outcome of the game. And it was the wrong decision.

Out of interest, does anyone know how many "goals" we have had disallowed during our recent barren spell? It feels like it must be about 7 or 8.

[beatlesaint]

Just now, Nolan said:

Is Bednarek's red card appealable? Or do we have to put up with the fact he misses Saturday?

Well if Arsenal are appealing their keepers then this is no different.

[danjosaint]

I know Stephens does get a lot of shit but I'm sorry he deserves it, how many headers did he jump under, and awareness has to be up there with the worse cbs in league

[austsaint]

Just now, stknowle said:

Happy to stand corrected if that's right. It looked properly shit on first viewing and like I say I don't blame him anyway, we as a club should not be in a position that we need to field untried rookies against Man Utd. 

It did look terrible at first sight, yes.  But it did take a deflection of a Man U player.    As you say, the poor kid shouldn't have been put in the furnace in the first place.

[notnowcato]

3 of the 4 first half goals weren’t down to having 10 men on the pitch, it was due to piss poor defending. 
 

The 2nd half was a VAR shit show. The biggest joke being the frozen screen Dean was looking at that gave no evidence for him to change his on field decision of a penalty and no card. 

[Viking Saint]

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

"Jan Bednarek does not kill him but I do not want to speak about the referee. Last week he was our VAR and made his mark in the game. 

Good lad. #stayclassy

[Chez]

8 minutes ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

 

Last thing - was highly amused at the petulance of Stephens and Armstrong towards Mike Dean 😂

I missed that. Tell me more. If I was on the pitch I think I'd of easily talked myself into a red after that red card decision. Dean is useless. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Surely having got stuffed 9 recently they’d go all out to stop it happening again. Yet they just folded, didn’t seem at all bothered by creating that unwanted bit of history. I’ll tell you what, they were lucky there was only 3 minutes extra played, because another 3 or 4 and it would have been 10. 

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

6 minutes ago, teamsaint said:

No injuries ?

True, but what about suspensions? It amounts to the same thing. We're without more players in the middle of an injury crisis.

 

[Shroppie]

21 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Peter Walton is a cunt too.

Yes. I couldn't believe his idiotic comments that the rules and interpretation need to change to catch up with technology. That's totally backwards. The rules should not change. Technology should help refs decide if rules have been broken. 

 

[Teddeer]

At least none of our professionals were the worst performer on the pitch. That dubious honour deservedly went to the twat that is Michael Dean.

[Hawkswood]

Ive got to say, Im reading the comments on the Guardian website ( please dont judge me, their football write ups are very good) and fwiw, the Man U fans are astounded at the level of refereeing and VAR decisions. They generally think its a complete farce and are also hammering Martial for the dive. Fair play to them.

[Lighthouse]

Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

Surely having got stuffed 9 recently they’d go all out to stop it happening again. Yet they just folded, didn’t seem at all bothered by creating that unwanted bit of history. I’ll tell you what, they were lucky there was only 3 minutes extra played, because another 3 or 4 and it would have been 10. 

Most of that team wasn't on the pitch tonight. Gunn, Yoshida, Vest, Hojbjerg, Valery, Romeu, Redmond (most of it) and Danso.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

I missed that. Tell me more. If I was on the pitch I think I'd of easily talked myself into a red after that red card decision. Dean is useless. 

For the free kick (that should have been a penalty I think) just before half-time Stephens was in the wall repeatedly telling Mike Dean something and pointing - he must have done it half a dozen times and eventually Mike Dean gave him a yellow card and Stephens didn't even acknowledge him.

Then after one of the late goals Mike Dean was telling Armstrong he needed to move the ball an inch into the centre spot to kick off and Armstrong just ignored him for 15 seconds before getting a yellow and then he just smirked and shook his head at Mike Dean.

[Jimmy_D]

Mike Dean should probably be stepped down after that, but we all know that isn't going to happen.

[wadesmith]

On the plus side we’re trending worldwide on Twitter..so that may be good for our ‘Marketing Reach’ in place like Asia & Africa.

[aintforever]

30 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Maybe we can claim 'COVID' and get it postponed. 

I’d send the team out licking door handles tomorrow.

[InvictaSaint]

Could we please produce a #StopTheCunt mug with a picture of Dean’s face on it? 

[Jonnyboy]

9 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

The thing is though, the decision to disallow Che's goal was farcical. There's no way you can look at those lines and say with absolute certainty he was offside, and the goal should have stood. At 4-1, suddenly it's a different game. We get a bit of confidence and belief and maybe we go on to score another.

So yeah, you can say it looks like sour grapes, but the fact is that one decision did have a massive influence on he outcome of the game. And it was the wrong decision.

Out of interest, does anyone know how many "goals" we have had disallowed during our recent barren spell? It feels like it must be about 7 or 8.

Agree. And yes it seems like a lot of disallowed goals. 

If on a VAR check for the penalty, it's only done "to check a clear and obvious error." Why doesn't the same logic apply for offsides ruling out goals?

[nta786]

‘1-0 down on the pitch with academy players on the pitch but its not their fault’

’what hurts the most is the second red card’

’its not about the referee but it was a stupid tackle from the young lad’

 

^^ Ralphs words from the MOTD interview 

[Jonnyboy]

4 minutes ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

For the free kick (that should have been a penalty I think) just before half-time Stephens was in the wall repeatedly telling Mike Dean something and pointing - he must have done it half a dozen times and eventually Mike Dean gave him a yellow card and Stephens didn't even acknowledge him.

Then after one of the late goals Mike Dean was telling Armstrong he needed to move the ball an inch into the centre spot to kick off and Armstrong just ignored him for 15 seconds before getting a yellow and then he just smirked and shook his head at Mike Dean.

They know he's a c*nt as well. 

[austsaint]

2 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I’d send the team out licking door handles tomorrow.

Made me laugh.

[GDog07]

God help us, I hope Hassenhuttl isn’t giving up on us.

Its far from his fault, a talented manager who’d be doing well with us if he’d been backed by our awful backroom.

Now he has two 9-0’s to his resume in as many seasons, he really must feel let down by the non-existent transfer policy.

[bpsaint]

Wish Ralph was a bit nastier and slated the officials after the Villa shit show on Saturday, might have had a bearing on some of tonight’s decisions.