stknowle Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, trousers said: In all seriousness, if they're going to include the arbitrary length of a piece of cloth in their decision making then players should roll their sleeves up to their shoulder. If Ings wasnt wearing a black arm band he may have been onside. Utterly bonkers To be honest it's just fucking boring talking about this VAR crap week after week. It was supposed to be for ridiculous oversights and thats it. We've all been sold a pup and I'd rather just go back to how it was. At least then we could all get enraged about bad decisions without being subjected to interminable replays with coloured lines all over them that can be adjusted to 'prove' whatever you want to prove. Night all. Edited 30 January, 2021 by stknowle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 If even Roy Keane thinks we should have had a pen and a goal in injury time, that says it all. Dean and Mason were predictably shamefully atrocious and everything possible went against us. Just have to move on, accept it’s a mid-table season, and hope we keep the cup run going. Bollocks, really. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 Feeling pretty disillusioned with football after tonight, it’s been something keeping us going but actually on nights like this when it leaves you even more angry and frustrated, it’s more damaging than it is good. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 1 minute ago, John Boy Saint said: Just watching the analysis the ball has already left the foot when the line is drawn. Jeez And in this instance, Roy Keane is absolutely right. If it's so unclear, the benefit of the doubt MUST go to the attacking team. We watch football to see goals, not officials using every possible excuse they can to disallow them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dark Munster said: You seem to be confusing us with the officials. We won that match 3-1. Not just the penalty and offside, also Romeu didn't foul their GK when he dropped it and it ended up in the net. Yep, can’t believe the players didn’t give Mason more grief, that was never a foul. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 1 minute ago, John Boy Saint said: Just watching the analysis the ball has already left the foot when the line is drawn. Jeez exactly what I have been saying on this thread. They give the line drawing so much attention, but spend about two seconds deciding when the foot has connected with the ball. VAR is so inaccurate. It's pointless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 2 minutes ago, LVSaint said: Don't do it. 🤮 Only reason my telly is still on is for Ralph's reaction to this shitshow. He'll be Mr Nice Guy rather than fume at the officials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 It was never offside. That cunt shouldn't put his flag up as it was so tight, it feels to me that the VAR cunt agreed with him to avoid the controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 (edited) Tonights definitely the most fuming I’ve been in a while I’m not sure I can think of worse decisions in years against us or for us since we have come up Edited 30 January, 2021 by nta786 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mr X said: Prick carragher to deal with now He’s actually for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 1 minute ago, teamsaint said: Yep, can’t believe the players didn’t give Mason more grief, that was never a foul. I keep saying it but we're too nice. Several dodgy decisions and not one player booked for dissent... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 3 minutes ago, John Boy Saint said: Just watching the analysis the ball has already left the foot when the line is drawn. Jeez That’s why it’s pointless drawing these lines at such minute detail, they can’t stop the frame at the exact moment contact is made on the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 VAR shitshow aside, I'm concerned by how toothless we are. The amount of times we are running forward in a promising looking attack, only for the ball to end up with Stephens is infuriating. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekelund Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 1 minute ago, nta786 said: Tonights definitely the most fuming I’ve been in a while I’m not sure I can think of worse decisions in years against us or for us since we have come up This 100% more upset with this than the gabbi offside at Wembley. Strangely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 1 minute ago, Ekelund said: This 100% more upset with this than the gabbi offside at Wembley. Strangely It’s lockdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 3 minutes ago, trousers said: He'll be Mr Nice Guy rather than fume at the officials "Football's a bit unfair at the moment" is as angry as he got... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 Oh well we were due a loss against Villa, and the officials definitely got the memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictiAbNonem Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 I thought we looked pretty good tonight. Sure we didn't make anywhere near enough of our chances count, but we were creating them all through the game. We prevented Villa from having a shot for over 45 minutes in the middle of the game. We completely dominated them for most of it. They had Grealish who was excellent, their keeper who was outstanding, and the officials who were the worst I've seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 From now on, all our strikers should cut their sleeves off, and our defenders wear long sleeves. Bullshit. Scandalous. Corrupt...and I'm broadly in favour of VAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 1 minute ago, aintforever said: That’s why it’s pointless drawing these lines at such minute detail, they can’t stop the frame at the exact moment contact is made on the ball. Exactly. The lines need to be thick to show the huge allowance for error. It's just a load of bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 ... i foresee the emergence of the PL tank top shirt... So down the table we go, good job we are still 15 pts from the bottom 3 on our current form. Good display 2nd half and a thoroughly undeserved defeat overall. As for VAR, it's a lottery at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 Ralph sounds pissed off that we can't bring players in. "We don't have money". Can't blame him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 I know some people wanted him to erupt at the shit officials, but I thought Ralph was class in that response. And you can see how much he cared. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Saint Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 Seething after that. Almost burst a blood vessel screaming at the telly after that last VAR ridiculous call...what's happened to the level is onside? Anything that close to call should err in side of the attacking side. Game decided by ref and VAR. Not how it should be. Wish I could calm down as fast as some on here. Can only hope we get the breaks we might well need later. Shows just how much we miss Walker-Peters. This bloody 29 points mark has been a pain - need to get anything to move into the 30's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 Why doesn’t Ralph blame that sweaty bowling ball bald bastard?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 This, lifted from Law 11: "The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered." So no mention of the sleeve so the ref makes it up himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 Did Ralph say "maybe three" about the injuries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefoggy Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 The game has gone. VAR and empty stadiums. This is not football anymore. Beyond depressing 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 hopefully all the shit decisions will be used up by the time we play Wolves in the FA cup. Win that competition and I wont give a fuck about tonight or any bad decision this season. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 1 minute ago, CWD said: VAR shitshow aside, I'm concerned by how toothless we are. The amount of times we are running forward in a promising looking attack, only for the ball to end up with Stephens is infuriating. I know what you're saying, we often recycle the ball too much with the GK and two CBs playing between themselves for a while. Cant complain about being toothless tonight. We had a goal ruled out (somehow), a shot blocked by a hand, a couple of great saves from Martinez and a few cleared off the line. Just no luck tonight unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 It's not VAR though is it, its the failure of the people operating it, its still people basically interpreting the rules on a whim as far as I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 13 minutes ago, trousers said: So, let me get this handball law straight... If the ball is heading towards the back of the net, a defender is allowed to punch the ball off the line as long as it grazes his thigh first...? Yep. If the ball is heading towards the net, go for it with your thigh but cover it by stretching your arm out just above it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 It’s almost impossible to beat 13. Yet again we were cheated by officials. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 Ralph looks pissed off said he'd like to bring in players but no money available, I can see him eventually saying fuck it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 Just now, woodsaint1 said: I know what you're saying, we often recycle the ball too much with the GK and two CBs playing between themselves for a while. Cant complain about being toothless tonight. We had a goal ruled out (somehow), a shot blocked by a hand, a couple of great saves from Martinez and a few cleared off the line. Just no luck tonight unfortunately the move that led to Redmond shooting over was good too. Poor first half though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, trousers said: So, let me get this handball law straight... If the ball is heading towards the back of the net, a defender is allowed to punch the ball off the line as long as it grazes his thigh first...? Deleted... multiple posts. Edited 30 January, 2021 by Whitey Grandad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Did Ralph say "maybe three" about the injuries? Yep. Also said Jankewitz might have to start next game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 1 minute ago, woodsaint1 said: I know what you're saying, we often recycle the ball too much with the GK and two CBs playing between themselves for a while. You know we do that on purpose yeh, its an attempt to draw the opposition out to create space and then quickly get the ball forward between the lines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 13 minutes ago, trousers said: So, let me get this handball law straight... If the ball is heading towards the back of the net, a defender is allowed to punch the ball off the line as long as it grazes his thigh first...? Yep. If the ball is heading towards the net, go for it with your thigh but cover it by stretching your arm out just above it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 17 minutes ago, trousers said: So, let me get this handball law straight... If the ball is heading towards the back of the net, a defender is allowed to punch the ball off the line as long as it grazes his thigh first...? It might be even clearer than that. Flick the ball up with your foot and catch it with your hands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 1 minute ago, VictiAbNonem said: I thought we looked pretty good tonight. Sure we didn't make anywhere near enough of our chances count, but we were creating them all through the game. We prevented Villa from having a shot for over 45 minutes in the middle of the game. We completely dominated them for most of it. They had Grealish who was excellent, their keeper who was outstanding, and the officials who were the worst I've seen. Really good summary - amidst the bad luck, shocking officiating and Grealish brilliance, Saints second half performance was pretty damn good and on just about any other night would have been rewarded with a point or three. Diallo was strangely off the pace and we looked better when JWP returned to midfield. Romeu was great, especially in the first 60 minutes. Redmond was frustrating, while Ings showed class and commitment, and clearly should have been on the score sheet. Really liked the cameo of Jankewitz and lets hope there are more opportunities to come. Really missed KWP tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr X said: Ralph looks pissed off said he'd like to bring in players but no money available, I can see him eventually saying fuck it we have a sizeable debt. Do you really want the club adding to that? No one has any money. If he goes, he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 14 minutes ago, trousers said: He'll be Mr Nice Guy rather than fume at the officials He certainly was. Undeniably nice man is Ralph....he needs to be a bit more of a coont though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Saint Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 14 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: And in this instance, Roy Keane is absolutely right. If it's so unclear, the benefit of the doubt MUST go to the attacking team. We watch football to see goals, not officials using every possible excuse they can to disallow them. This. Exactly. Commonsense 'tennis' rules should apply - if it's too close to call it's in (i.e. benefit of the doubt is given to the attacker). Think the linesman screwed it for us by looking so assertive in his certainty - when clearly he was wrong to be that sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 1 minute ago, LVSaint said: He certainly was. Undeniably nice man is Ralph....he needs to be a bit more of a coont though. What's the point though? He'd only end up getting himself a 20k fine as 'officials are never wrong'. Seems a bit pointless arguing as you know you'll never win against the officials army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 2 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: I know what you're saying, we often recycle the ball too much with the GK and two CBs playing between themselves for a while. Cant complain about being toothless tonight. We had a goal ruled out (somehow), a shot blocked by a hand, a couple of great saves from Martinez and a few cleared off the line. Just no luck tonight unfortunately I agree to a point about being unlucky tonight, but in that first half we were dominant in terms of possession etc. but never tested the keeper. Everything seems to slow when we get to the edge of the box. I don't think this is a new thing either. We've scored a high percentage of low xG goals this season, and a high proportion of goals from outside the box for a while. These were all naturally going to dry up and even out. In terms of clear cut chances, they're few and far between. I feel pretty livid tonight, shocking decisions and more injuries doesn't help. Just need to get a bit of momentum back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSuess1979 Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 First time in a long time I've been this angry of football I can take losing when we play poorly or get beaten by the better team, but tonight was an absolute disgrace Var isn't the main issue its the idiots controlling it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 7 minutes ago, trousers said: Yep. Also said Jankewitz might have to start next game... and maybe he will shine and then want ti stay. Could be a silver lining...maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mr X said: Ralph looks pissed off said he'd like to bring in players but no money available, I can see him eventually saying fuck it Have word with yourself - if someone is crossing his palm with a wheelbarrow full of gold - then he is walking - if no one is tempting or in for him you stay exactly where you are and wait to get sacked and have your contract paid up. AvB sacked by Chelsea £16m pay off of contract - got the Spurs gig not long after, got binned £16m pay of of contract. Ralph signed 4 years? In June he ain’t just walking because no money to spend unless he has rocks in his head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 January, 2021 Share Posted 30 January, 2021 1 minute ago, S-Clarke said: What's the point though? He'd only end up getting himself a 20k fine as 'officials are never wrong'. Seems a bit pointless arguing as you know you'll never win against the officials army. Why do the likes of Mourhino, Klopp and Nuno do it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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