Danny Ings

[Daft Kerplunk]

46 minutes ago, trousers said:

Why was he desperate to get out? 

Ralph.  Ze bad feelings.  

[Wade Garrett]

5 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

Ralph.  Ze bad feelings.  

Him and Oriol I heard.

Fucking idiots running the club backed the wrong horse there.

[Fabrice29]

59 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

There will clearly be other championship options for him. Given his links to the area I could see why he would prefer here than Leeds for example. I'm not sure what it would be that would mean we are his last resort. It can't have been that terrible last time. 

He literally left last time, citing ambition. He also didn’t come back last time he moved. We’re now in the Championship and in no position to satisfy any ambition or make up for it in terms of cash. It’s not happening and I find it actually baffling anyone even entertains these really easy rumours to start. 

[hypochondriac]

35 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

He literally left last time, citing ambition. He also didn’t come back last time he moved. We’re now in the Championship and in no position to satisfy any ambition or make up for it in terms of cash. It’s not happening and I find it actually baffling anyone even entertains these really easy rumours to start. 

I would suggest that the situation is rather different when he's three years older and has spent three years sitting on a bench. If your stance is that any championship club is not ambitious enough for him (even on loan till the end of the season) then it will be interesting to see if he goes anywhere near the championship won't it. I'm not saying it will happen, but it's hardly some outlandish flight of fancy that has no realistic chance of being true. Perfectly conceivable that someone like ings would take playing regularly at the top of the championship over warming the bench of a Premier league team. 

[trousers]

50 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

It’s not happening

ITK or opinon?

[aintforever]

3 hours ago, trousers said:

Why was he desperate to get out? 

Money I guess.

[Fabrice29]

4 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I would suggest that the situation is rather different when he's three years older and has spent three years sitting on a bench. If your stance is that any championship club is not ambitious enough for him (even on loan till the end of the season) then it will be interesting to see if he goes anywhere near the championship won't it. I'm not saying it will happen, but it's hardly some outlandish flight of fancy that has no realistic chance of being true. Perfectly conceivable that someone like ings would take playing regularly at the top of the championship over warming the bench of a Premier league team. 

This is not my stance. My stance is we weren't ambitious enough for him when we were at our best and he was leading that, so why anyone thinks he'll come back as some sort of "rather be here than anywhere else" thought is beyond me. He'll go where he's paid somewhere close to what he's on and he can offset that with an interesting challenge. Or somewhere boring but pays him enough to get over it. We're not going to do either of that. Leeds or Leicester might, no idea, don't know much about their ethos or business plan, but I've seen nothing to suggest we're in the business of offering anywhere near 100k a week to anyone who is over 30 now we're in the Championship.

Edited 19 December, 2023 by Fabrice29

[Fabrice29]

4 hours ago, trousers said:

ITK or opinon?

Opinion based on literally everything we know about us and Ings.

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

This is not my stance. My stance is we weren't ambitious enough for him when we were at our best and he was leading that, so why anyone thinks he'll come back as some sort of "rather be here than anywhere else" thought is beyond me. He'll go where he's paid somewhere close to what he's on and he can offset that with an interesting challenge. Or somewhere boring but pays him enough to get over it. We're not going to do either of that. Leeds or Leicester might, no idea, don't know much about their ethos or business plan, but I've seen nothing to suggest we're in the business of offering anywhere near 100k a week to anyone who is over 30 now we're in the Championship.

I don't think any championship team will offer him 100k a week. Far more likely to come on loan with his wages subsidised. That being the case, I'd say we had as much of a chance as someone like Leeds, probably mire give his links here. This may all be moot of course as we may not want him but it's not as outlandish an idea as you claim. Circumstances are very different from 3 years ago as I outlined. 

[Fabrice29]

10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I don't think any championship team will offer him 100k a week. Far more likely to come on loan with his wages subsidised. That being the case, I'd say we had as much of a chance as someone like Leeds, probably mire give his links here. This may all be moot of course as we may not want him but it's not as outlandish an idea as you claim. Circumstances are very different from 3 years ago as I outlined. 

Alright, good luck with all of that.  

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Alright, good luck with all of that.  

Thanks pal. Great talking to you. 

[Dusic]

10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Thanks pal. Great talking to you. 

Cheers Ron. Nice to see you and Dale the other day at bingo.

[StrangelyBrown]

7 hours ago, Dman said:

I hate to break it to you, but if he was banging in goals in the PL, he wouldn't be linked with a varity of championship teams... on loan. 

I'm not in favour of brining him back - not because of his ability, but because he couldn't wait to leave and doesn't want to come back. We'd be 'last' resort. However, you could have said the as you have about ings, as you would have AA and he's done alright. 

Ings is clearly a cut above anyone else in the championship. 

Have you seen him play recently? I'm not sure he's quite what you remember him to be - certainly didn't look to me like he'd be a cut above anyone else in the championship the last few times I've seen him play.

[hypochondriac]

58 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Have you seen him play recently? I'm not sure he's quite what you remember him to be - certainly didn't look to me like he'd be a cut above anyone else in the championship the last few times I've seen him play.

Let's be honest it's pretty hard to tell isn't it. Armstrong looked turd in the prem but is doing a job in the league below. 

[Pamplemousse]

Bednarek, Bazunu, both Armstrongs, Aribo, they hardly pulled up any trees last season.

Ryan Fraser was shit in the Prem.

Ings would be an unbelievable signing for any Championship team.

[StrangelyBrown]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Let's be honest it's pretty hard to tell isn't it. Armstrong looked turd in the prem but is doing a job in the league below. 

Agreed it is difficult to tell and hence why I think him being a cut above is a bold claim. I honestly thought Adams would be too good at this level and he's been pretty dreadful so far this season.

[Saint_clark]

25 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Bednarek, Bazunu, both Armstrongs, Aribo, they hardly pulled up any trees last season.

Ryan Fraser was shit in the Prem.

Ings would be an unbelievable signing for any Championship team.

He would. 

 

But he won't be coming. Can we stop with this? 

He's much more likely to go on loan to Burnley, Luton, Sheffield United, Bournemouth or Wolves. They'd all jump at the chance. 

[egg]

50 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

He would. 

 

But he won't be coming. Can we stop with this? 

He's much more likely to go on loan to Burnley, Luton, Sheffield United, Bournemouth or Wolves. They'd all jump at the chance. 

There's every chance that he would he prefer a promotion push over a relegation fight. 

Let's see what happens, but I think this rumour has legs. 

 

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said:

Ings would be an unbelievable signing for any Championship team.

Cardiff fans probably said the same thing about Rickie Lambert. He scored four goals. I get that people are willing to take a punt on him but ‘unbelievable’? I don’t think so.

[Bad Wolf]

9 hours ago, Dman said:

Because I know him and I know how desperate he was to get out. This whole 'hes a saints fan' persona was a load of bollox. 

I know a lot of people who know Danny and I've never heard that he was desperate to get out. More "quite keen" kinda thing. But you're right, he was never a Saints fan. It was a total myth. Well he may have been as a very young child but the club released him in a brutal way when he was a teenager and he did not support us from then on. I don't really remember him supporting anyone tbh, I seem to remember he was more of a general football fan.

[Ted Bates Statue]

So if there are people on here who claim to know Danny Ings, can anyone verify Nick's claim on the Ugly that he's moved back to the Southampton area? And by Southampton area, does that mean Winchester as I thought that's where he lived?

[hypochondriac]

I find it odd that some consider this rumour to be so laughably unlikely. I totally understand why someone would think it's not going to happen, but it's not something absurd or anything. 

[SaintBobby]

16 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I find it odd that some consider this rumour to be so laughably unlikely. I totally understand why someone would think it's not going to happen, but it's not something absurd or anything. 

Agree. It's odds against, I'd say. But not by much. He can't get a game in the Prem. Ain't likely to get many. Is lingering around on the bench. And one of the richest teams in the Championship are desperately short in the No 9 role. In a sane world, it might come together...

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Cardiff fans probably said the same thing about Rickie Lambert. He scored four goals. I get that people are willing to take a punt on him but ‘unbelievable’? I don’t think so.

Rickie Lambert got a move to another Prem side after leaving Liverpool and before signing for Cardiff, to West Brom. He didn't perform there so dropped a league. 

Ings will find another Prem team interested in him before having to drop down a division. 

[SaintBobby]

2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Rickie Lambert got a move to another Prem side after leaving Liverpool and before signing for Cardiff, to West Brom. He didn't perform there so dropped a league. 

Ings will find another Prem team interested in him before having to drop down a division. 

Yeah, maybe. Burnley might be an option. But he is onto his 2nd Prem team post-Saints and it isn't panning out. You'd think he'd move or go on loan in January and we must be one of 3 or 4 teams who might want to get him.

[Lighthouse]

9 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Rickie Lambert got a move to another Prem side after leaving Liverpool and before signing for Cardiff, to West Brom. He didn't perform there so dropped a league. 

Ings will find another Prem team interested in him before having to drop down a division. 

What do you mean? That's literally what he's already done. Villa sold him to West Ham, for less than half what they paid for him, and he hasn't managed to turn it on at either club.

[Sunglasses Ron]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

What do you mean? That's literally what he's already done. Villa sold him to West Ham, for less than half what they paid for him, and he hasn't managed to turn it on at either club.

Slight difference is that Rickie was 34, and clearly past his best, when he signed for Cardiff.

Ings is only 31 (a year younger than Rickie was when he left us for Liverpool).

I'd love to have him back, could make all the difference in the playoffs.

[East Kent Saint]

He can’t come back to tippy tappy football , he will lose the will to live waiting for a forward pass . As Lambert showed a player can expire quickly once on the downward curve of death.

[revolution saint]

12 hours ago, egg said:

There's every chance that he would he prefer a promotion push over a relegation fight. 

Let's see what happens, but I think this rumour has legs. 

 

Unlike Ings.  I'm joking though and wouldn't be averse to him coming back particularly if it's a loan and replaces Adams.

[david in sweden]

Well here we are again... The Mail running the story (again) ...about Danny Ings coming back to Saints !...

Can you hear them already.   The critics bleating about the " old boys who are past it " yeah, yeah, but true or not

at least it is someone who knows the club, and those who are going to complain, may have forgotten that it was 

Danny who saved us almost single-handedly during Hasenhuttl's time as manager.  

The whole squad needs reconstruction after departures and replacing those 5 loan players who finished the season for us.

 

Danny won't get a lifetimes contract, but the primary task for next season is SURVIVAL .

Looking back to see the three 2022-23 clubs who came straight back down last season, so we know how tough it can be.

The likes of Lallana and Ings (if he comes) won't stay forever, but it will give our youthful squad a chance to consolidate and 

learn from former players who have proven their worth for the club before.. 

Get the to 40 points first and then look forward to the next generation's heroes.

 

[waylander]

If he is going to score goals then I'm in favour of him

[Dellyears]

7 minutes ago, waylander said:

If he is going to score goals then I'm in favour of him

He hasn't scored goals since he left us which is why Villa and Hammers got rid quick. Might as well dig up Ricky

[S-Clarke]

4 minutes ago, Dellyears said:

He hasn't scored goals since he left us which is why Villa and Hammers got rid quick. Might as well dig up Ricky

My argument to that would be that he hasn't played much, he's always been in and out of the side at both clubs. Ings has always struggled when it's like that, not just through form but he then becomes more susceptible to injury. His time at Liverpool was proof of that. Once he moved to us, played regularly, the rest was history. I do think we saw the best of Ings back in 2019-2020....but there are still goals in him if he plays every week imo.

If you want a 'proven PL' goal scorer for under £10m, then you'll not get any better than Ings. 

Edited June 18 by S-Clarke

[Saint Gifford]

19 minutes ago, david in sweden said:

Well here we are again... The Mail running the story (again) ...about Danny Ings coming back to Saints !...

Can you hear them already.   The critics bleating about the " old boys who are past it " yeah, yeah, but true or not

at least it is someone who knows the club, and those who are going to complain, may have forgotten that it was 

Danny who saved us almost single-handedly during Hasenhuttl's time as manager.  

The whole squad needs reconstruction after departures and replacing those 5 loan players who finished the season for us.

 

Danny won't get a lifetimes contract, but the primary task for next season is SURVIVAL .

Looking back to see the three 2022-23 clubs who came straight back down last season, so we know how tough it can be.

The likes of Lallana and Ings (if he comes) won't stay forever, but it will give our youthful squad a chance to consolidate and 

learn from former players who have proven their worth for the club before.. 

Get the to 40 points first and then look forward to the next generation's heroes.

 

Lallana for me yes, as per his thread, and the reasons you give.

Ings no for me, shown to many times he doesn’t have to much loyalty when something better comes along. 
 

This is the way of the world when you are climbing the ladder. But can’t see that is a quality on the way back down the ladder.

Will always be looking for something better for me, let someone else have the baggage. 
 

Lallana has a different personality imo that could actually help us next season. Which for the reasons you quite rightly say. 

[Dusic]

Ings best two attributes are movement and finishing ability.

Finishing he won't have lost, movement potentially but a lot of it is in his head and as far as I am aware at WH he has been fit and available almost 100% of the time but just not really suited to Moyes style.

If we think his fitness is still at PL level then can see why there would be interest - he is about as a proven a PL goalscorer as we would be able to sign.

My main concern would be that his best work always seems to be as part of a front two and its unlikely we will operate with that.

[Ted Bates Statue]

Five years ago it took him an entire season to get up to speed with us. It's not going to be any better this time around. I'd rather roll the dice on a younger prospect who isn't just going to collect his salary without contributing very much.

Edited June 18 by Ted Bates Statue

[gio1saints]

Seems to me it’s Che vs Danny Ings the back up for if he does not resign on? Or is that a smokescreen??

Both about the same height. Both about the same pace. Che a bit more muscular style of play perhaps but both like to hustle. Both like to collect ball slightly deeper and pass it to on- or goal hang. Both can play with Adam. 
Both not scored many goals in the EPL lately. Che has scored more recently at lower level though. Danny has played EPL more recently though only 20 games. 
Both on six figure salaries. Danny Ings supposedly £6m fee Che no fee but undoubtedly a loyalty bonus at least £1m. Would imagine the two deals work out v close in net terms. 
Who is the better buy or is it neither? 

[Dank]

13 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Seems to me it’s Che vs Danny Ings the back up for if he does not resign on? Or is that a smokescreen??

Both about the same height. Both about the same pace. Che a bit more muscular style of play perhaps but both like to hustle. Both like to collect ball slightly deeper and pass it to on- or goal hang. Both can play with Adam. 
Both not scored many goals in the EPL lately. Che has scored more recently at lower level though. Danny has played EPL more recently though only 20 games. 
Both on six figure salaries. Danny Ings supposedly £6m fee Che no fee but undoubtedly a loyalty bonus at least £1m. Would imagine the two deals work out v close in net terms. 
Who is the better buy or is it neither? 

Danny Ings is the better player if fit. Che's best attribute is falling over. I'd take a chance on Ings over Adams.

[Suhari]

1 hour ago, david in sweden said:

Well here we are again... The Mail running the story (again) ...about Danny Ings coming back to Saints !...

Can you hear them already.   The critics bleating about the " old boys who are past it " yeah, yeah, but true or not

at least it is someone who knows the club, and those who are going to complain, may have forgotten that it was 

Danny who saved us almost single-handedly during Hasenhuttl's time as manager.  

The whole squad needs reconstruction after departures and replacing those 5 loan players who finished the season for us.

 

Danny won't get a lifetimes contract, but the primary task for next season is SURVIVAL .

Looking back to see the three 2022-23 clubs who came straight back down last season, so we know how tough it can be.

The likes of Lallana and Ings (if he comes) won't stay forever, but it will give our youthful squad a chance to consolidate and 

learn from former players who have proven their worth for the club before.. 

Get the to 40 points first and then look forward to the next generation's heroes.

 

Based on his time with us before I think he'd excel in RussBall. His movement, touch, speed of thought and finishing would see to that.

BUT.....how much of that does he retain now?

[david in sweden]

22 minutes ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

Five years it took him an entire season to get up to speed with us. It's not going to be any better this time around.

I'd rather roll the dice on a younger prospect who isn't just going to collect his salary without contributing very much.

we've already got one , his name is Sekou Mara ...and he hasn't contributed much .

He didn't break through in the Championship and I can't see him doing any better at Premier League level.    We don't have the time.

Should we buy another one like him? , or get a season or two out of someone who has a track record of goalscoring at the highest level? 

[Wurzel]

39 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Seems to me it’s Che vs Danny Ings the back up for if he does not resign on? Or is that a smokescreen??

Both about the same height. Both about the same pace. Che a bit more muscular style of play perhaps but both like to hustle. Both like to collect ball slightly deeper and pass it to on- or goal hang. Both can play with Adam. 
Both not scored many goals in the EPL lately. Che has scored more recently at lower level though. Danny has played EPL more recently though only 20 games. 
Both on six figure salaries. Danny Ings supposedly £6m fee Che no fee but undoubtedly a loyalty bonus at least £1m. Would imagine the two deals work out v close in net terms. 
Who is the better buy or is it neither? 

Which one would you put your money on to score in a 1 on 1 with the keeper?. Or when unexpectedly finding the ball at his feet in the 6 yard box?

[gio1saints]

5 minutes ago, Wurzel said:

Which one would you put your money on to score in a 1 on 1 with the keeper?. Or when unexpectedly finding the ball at his feet in the 6 yard box?

Danny Ings every time.

[beatlesaint]

If there is any truth in this presumably it means Adams is off……..hopefully

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, beatlesaint said:

If there is any truth in this presumably it means Adams is off……..hopefully

Doesn't sound like there is. 

[ally_uk]

I'd have Ings allday long 

[The Kraken]

Ings being on £120k a week at West Ham seems to be the biggest stumbling block, albeit he’s only got a year left of that deal.

I get the feeling the term “Southampton have made enquiries about…” is doing some heavy lifting.

[gallaghert366@yahoo.com]

2 hours ago, Wurzel said:

Which one would you put your money on to score in a 1 on 1 with the keeper?. Or when unexpectedly finding the ball at his feet in the 6 yard box?

Chalk an cheese!

[SaintsLoyal]

He didnt give a toss about us and left to flop at villa and then west ham.. but he got what he wanted the readies.

[The Cat]

18 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

He didnt give a toss about us and left to flop at villa and then west ham.. but he got what he wanted the readies.

You have to say that was poor scouting and transfers by both clubs. Paid him a fortune for very little return.

[Lighthouse]

6 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

My argument to that would be that he hasn't played much, he's always been in and out of the side at both clubs. Ings has always struggled when it's like that, not just through form but he then becomes more susceptible to injury. His time at Liverpool was proof of that. Once he moved to us, played regularly, the rest was history. I do think we saw the best of Ings back in 2019-2020....but there are still goals in him if he plays every week imo.

If you want a 'proven PL' goal scorer for under £10m, then you'll not get any better than Ings. 

I can’t understand why people talk about Ings as if we’d be getting back the guy who scored 22 goals five years ago. That was a one off season, across his whole career his second best goal return is 12. For all the, "yeah buts," and the, "oh, well if only they’d played him XYZ," there’s no getting around the fact that his last four years have yielded a combined 16 league goals, at a steadily declining rate.

He’s not a proven PL goal scorer, he’s a has been who only ever did it at this level once. I wouldn’t take him on a free, personally.