Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Just now, Chez said: as I have mentioned several times matthew, the debt rises to £122m if we don't start paying ti until 2025. So I have little doubt the club WILL be making a debt repayment before then. The sooner we pay it down, the less we `waste' in interest payments, which eat into our annual budget. Regardless of us doing that or not. It doesn't require selling our best players to make the repayments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dorchester Saint said: This is every bit as bonkers as everything your namesake has ever said! Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 He needs to find his form again first before he starts chatting 'Champions League' football. It's all rather depressing, but all rather inventible. Without owners who have any ability to progress the club this is the order of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Just now, Matthew Le God said: Regardless of us doing that or not. It doesn't require selling our best players to make the repayments. Understood, but equally I should imagine the owner requires that we don't continue to lose tens of millions each year, which willbe hard with revenue down and the need to spend some money on new players in the summer. Youngsters could fill the void. On tonights showing you have ask if they are good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chez said: Understood, but equally I should imagine the owner requires that we don't continue to lose tens of millions each year, which willbe hard with revenue down and the need to spend some money on new players in the summer. Youngsters could fill the void. On tonights showing you have ask if they are good enough. It would be nice if the 'owners' gave a shit about anything other than protecting their 'investment'. How about they put some money into the mix, just once....? maybe? Sorry, that's a silly idea. Edited 19 January, 2021 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Just now, S-Clarke said: It would be nice if the 'owners' gave a shit about anything than protecting their 'investment'. How about they put some money into the mix, just once....? maybe? Sorry, that's a silly idea. I have no issue with them expecting the club to be self financing, so long as that also meant are debt didn't start growing (which it has), but it the current climate it would have nice to have seen Gao lend us the £78m rather than us pay 9.14% interest rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Chez said: I have no issue with them expecting the club to be self financing, so long as that also meant are debt didn't start growing (which it has), but it the current climate it would have nice to have seen Gao lend us the £78m rather than us pay 9.14% interest rate. There is self financing and then there is sitting back and not giving two hoots about your investment. Unfortunately Gao et co fall into the latter. Really need shot if we are to do anything long term. So frustrating. Edited 19 January, 2021 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Ralph says Ings needs to score 15 more goals to get move to UCL team. I don't buy it. He will command small fee if you consider his ability so quite a small risk for most UCL teams. He will have a club lined up already most likely. Spurs the obvious one that springs to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 51 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/01/19/exclusive-danny-ings-wants-return-champions-league-club-holds/ when a player start talking about wanting champions league to the press, they mean they want champions league money. Basically the article is a `come get me' big six. Usually what happens is a big side not actually in the CL comes in for them and they sign for them anyway. I'd say it's pretty much over - negotiations wise. He's gone, so long as their is a buyer of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Given the situation with PEH during last summer, does Ings still get played in the meantime if he refuses to sign a new contract? Get that he has slightly longer on the contract, but does that same thinking apply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 3 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: There is self financing and then there is sitting back and not giving two hoots about your investment. Unfortunately Gao et co fall into the latter. Really need shot if we are to do anything long term. So frustrating. he cares about his investment, but Premiership survival is all that has ever been required for the owner to ensure that investment pays off, with the value if clubs going up every year - except this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Given the situation with PEH during last summer, does Ings still get played in the meantime if he refuses to sign a new contract? Get that he has slightly longer on the contract, but does that same thinking apply? good point, but we had Romeu playing well. Who is the replacement this time, Adams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Should we attempt to sell now? or wait until the summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Just now, Chez said: good point, but we had Romeu playing well. Who is the replacement this time, Adams? Adams isn't a replacement as Adams is already a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 1 minute ago, Monk said: Should we attempt to sell now? or wait until the summer? If he's mentally already on his way then I'd be inclined to twist as soon as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 1 minute ago, The Cat said: "Stay" for how long? The rest of the season? Another 3 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Adams isn't a replacement as Adams is already a starter. Depends if we play one or two up top. If we play one, then Ings first choice, Adams second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 1 minute ago, trousers said: "Stay" for how long? The rest of the season? Another 3 years? good point. I'd say the rest of the season. Can't see big money moves happening in Jan. Can't see him signing now he has said he wants CL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 1 minute ago, trousers said: If he's mentally already on his way then I'd be inclined to twist as soon as possible Whose going to pay the money for him this window though. Spurs won’t, they’ll wait until he’s down to a year left and try and wrangle a nothing fee. Arsenal won’t stump the cash we will want. If City wanted him, they’d have signed him already. Can’t see any others seriously wanting him. Not sure what else the club can do - they’ve offered him a pay rise and would be highest earner. If the only way he’ll sign is to have a small release clause (compared to ability), then we’re better off keeping those extra wages and selling him in the summer for the same amount as the release clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chez said: good point, but we had Romeu playing well. Who is the replacement this time, Adams? Step forward Shane Long, this is your time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chez said: Depends if we play one or two up top. If we play one, then Ings first choice, Adams second. But we don't play one up front. Our massive up turn in form has been playing 4222 and has been adopted throughout the club, no reason to change that now even if Ings doesn't play. Edited 19 January, 2021 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Get a striker on loan for the rest of the season with an option to buy. And try him out the sooner we replace Ings the better for our long term prospects. I actually thought Danny gave a shit about playing for his hometown club. He obviously doesn’t 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Just now, stevy777_x said: Get a striker on loan for the rest of the season with an option to buy. And try him out the sooner we replace Ings the better for our long term prospects. I actually thought Danny gave a shit about playing for his hometown club. He obviously doesn’t All footballers are the same. I'm sure we said the same about Wayne Bridge. $$$$ and that's the motivation. To be honest, most human beings are driven the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Given our finances I would have a look at Joao from Reading 14 goals so far- gamble if can step up but worth it from what have seen of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 1 minute ago, Give it to Ron said: Given our finances I would have a look at Joao from Reading 14 goals so far- gamble if can step up but worth it from what have seen of him. Likely too expensive for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Ivan Toney if we’re going to dip into the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: But we don't play one up front. Our massive up turn in form has been playing 4222 and has been adopted throughout the club, no reason to change that now even if Ings doesn't play. If Long is the only other option, then perhaps you'd need to reconsider. Back to the original question, do you drop him (like we did Hoj) and who do you pick? The adopting the formation throughout the club is the new black box for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 2 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Ivan Toney if we’re going to dip into the Championship Brentford got £33m for the last promising young striker they sold. Better value to be found abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Just now, Matthew Le God said: Brentford got £33m for the last promising young striker they sold. Better value to be found abroad. Which is now much harder for clubs like us due to brexit. Basically, we're f***d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 3 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Ivan Toney if we’re going to dip into the Championship Brentford not known for giving away their star players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 I know football is a short career for the players and they need to look after and do what's best for them, but feel massively let down by Ings and his stance. Granted we don't know the full facts and it might very well be that he will end up signing, however it just leaves a bit of a sour taste. I've said before that I believe Saints rescued Ings career, there didn't seem to be too many takers for him when we signed for us and it seemed he was more than happy to sign when we came in for him. I guess I was just expecting more for him being a local lad and that's why I feel a bit disappointed. Am not sure the Champions League thing is anything more than an excuse. Didn't PEH state that he wanted to sign for a CL club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Just now, Chez said: If Long is the only other option, then perhaps you'd need to reconsider. Back to the original question, do you drop him (like we did Hoj) and who do you pick? The adopting the formation throughout the club is the new black box for me. Long isn't the only other option. I'd prefer Adams & Walcott or Adams & N'Dundulu upfront in a 4222 rather than Long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: Brentford got £33m for the last promising young striker they sold. Better value to be found abroad. makes you wonder how much Ings proven, but older is truely worth. I guess one year left in the summer changes things a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 1 minute ago, S-Clarke said: Which is now much harder for clubs like us due to brexit. Basically, we're f***d. Brexit has made it easier to sign players from some countries. For example... South Americans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 Just now, Matthew Le God said: Long isn't the only other option. I'd prefer Adams & Walcott or Adams & N'Dundulu upfront in a 4222 rather than Long. I thought the idea was to see if the next guy could fill his shoes. Walcott has looked good working up and down the line, but not up the middle. N'Dundulu is interesting. Not sure I am confident he is gonna be good enough ti be our starting striker by the start of next season.does he score for fun for the B team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 So basically we signed Ings on a 3 year deal after him signing permanently. Great job that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 5 minutes ago, stevy777_x said: So basically we signed Ings on a 3 year deal after him signing permanently. Great job that! Would you prefer he was shit and no club wanted to buy him? 🤔😇 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 People making out it's about money, but any footballer with an ounce of ambition and the quality that Ings has would want to test themselves in the Champions League. He will have given us a good three seasons so fair play to him. Given his injury problems, I also wonder if we may look back and think that he left at the right time. We're fortunate to have had him in the prime of his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: People making out it's about money, but any footballer with an ounce of ambition and the quality that Ings has would want to test themselves in the Champions League. He will have given us a good three seasons so fair play to him. Given his injury problems, I also wonder if we may look back and think that he left at the right time. We're fortunate to have had him in the prime of his career Yep. given his injury record I’d be tempted to sell and go for Wilson at Newcastle who I think is a very similar player Edited 19 January, 2021 by Dan Johnson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 27 minutes ago, stevy777_x said: So basically we signed Ings on a 3 year deal after him signing permanently. Great job that! Yes, it was a great job given that many at the time thought we were taking a massive gamble/mistake committing to sign him permanently at all for £20m given his injury record. He only scored 7 goals in his first season as well so there were no guarantees at all that signing him for 3 years would work out as well as it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2021 Share Posted 19 January, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Dan Johnson said: Yep. given his injury record I’d be tempted to sell and go for Wilson at Newcastle who I think is a very similar player 28 year old Wilson cost Newcastle £20m under one year ago, his price will now be higher. Why would they sell him so soon to us? If Ings goes we'll probably sign a young striker and look to develop him. Edited 19 January, 2021 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 January, 2021 Share Posted 20 January, 2021 30 minutes ago, Dan Johnson said: Yep. given his injury record I’d be tempted to sell and go for Wilson at Newcastle who I think is a very similar player He’s not similar at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 January, 2021 Share Posted 20 January, 2021 19 minutes ago, Saint Pete said: Yes, it was a great job given that many at the time thought we were taking a massive gamble/mistake committing to sign him permanently at all for £20m given his injury record. He only scored 7 goals in his first season as well so there were no guarantees at all that signing him for 3 years would work out as well as it has. Les Reed masterstoke, just like Bednadek, Romeu and Vestergaard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 20 January, 2021 Share Posted 20 January, 2021 34 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: People making out it's about money, but any footballer with an ounce of ambition and the quality that Ings has would want to test themselves in the Champions League. So for argument's sake, if Saints by some miracle did manage to finish top 4 this season and qualify for champs league - Would he then stay with us if there was another offer made from another champs league side involving much more £s for Danny Ings? Would be interesting, but I think in reality it is a bit about keeping his options open for more money as well as the playing ambition you mention. (I don't really blame him to be honest). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 20 January, 2021 Share Posted 20 January, 2021 1 hour ago, stevy777_x said: So basically we signed Ings on a 3 year deal after him signing permanently. Great job that! You conveniently forgetting we had him on loan for a season with a mandatory buy clause, therefore in reality a 4 year contract? Players come and go all the time and there is very little loyalty (JWP, MLT, Benali being exceptions) - from either the clubs or players. I trust the new footballing regime to have a backup plan should Ings leave. What is the club meant to do - hold a gun to his head and force him to sign a contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 20 January, 2021 Share Posted 20 January, 2021 Hopefully he signs the new contract, but its inevitable a release clause will be included in any agreement. Seen figures of £35m (club preference) and £20m (Ings preference) being banded around. Unclear if they're accurate but could see a meeting in the middle around £25-27.5m. Would suit both parties - club gets a slightly bigger guaranteed fee and Ings get an option to leave if clause met. Is there a period of time which needs to expire before the clause can be activated? If not there will probably be a few clubs interested this summer - Spurs and City being the most likely move for him. Just need to hope Spurs miss out on CL (not that it put off PEH) and City look elsewhere. Couldnt see United or Liverpool being interested but who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayling Saint Posted 20 January, 2021 Share Posted 20 January, 2021 1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: I know football is a short career for the players and they need to look after and do what's best for them, but feel massively let down by Ings and his stance. Granted we don't know the full facts and it might very well be that he will end up signing, however it just leaves a bit of a sour taste. I've said before that I believe Saints rescued Ings career, there didn't seem to be too many takers for him when we signed for us and it seemed he was more than happy to sign when we came in for him. I guess I was just expecting more for him being a local lad and that's why I feel a bit disappointed. Am not sure the Champions League thing is anything more than an excuse. Didn't PEH state that he wanted to sign for a CL club? Totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 20 January, 2021 Share Posted 20 January, 2021 18 minutes ago, washsaint said: You conveniently forgetting we had him on loan for a season with a mandatory buy clause, therefore in reality a 4 year contract? Players come and go all the time and there is very little loyalty (JWP, MLT, Benali being exceptions) - from either the clubs or players. I trust the new footballing regime to have a backup plan should Ings leave. What is the club meant to do - hold a gun to his head and force him to sign a contract? Two of those aren’t exceptions as they haven’t turned down better offers elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 January, 2021 Share Posted 20 January, 2021 7 hours ago, saint77 said: As usual you see things others don’t 7 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: This. I have noticed the same. Even when he gets interviewed it seems like a chore. I think he has started to believe in his own hype now. It's such a shame, would any other club taken a chance on him with his record? Especially for what we paid for him Clearly I'm not the only one, and it wasn't hard to see if you looked properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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