LordHester Posted 6 January, 2021 Share Posted 6 January, 2021 Interesting piece here on Saints' tactical setup this season. It's in the Telegraph, so behind a paywall, but you can sign up to view the article for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 6 January, 2021 Share Posted 6 January, 2021 Or you can pause the loading of the page just before the subscription banner comes up. 😄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 January, 2021 Share Posted 6 January, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, LordHester said: Interesting piece here on Saints' tactical setup this season. It's in the Telegraph, so behind a paywall, but you can sign up to view the article for free. I think this is the bit that some fans (aka, the "get it in the box" brigade ) don't quite appreciate... Drawing the opponent out Southampton's attacking play depends on being able to go up the pitch with momentum so that they catch teams in transition (which in theory is when they are most vulnerable), something they can't do when the defending team sets up in an organised block. One particularly devious ploy that they use to avoid this is passing backwards from advanced attacking areas, even when there's an opportunity to cross or get closer to goal. We saw it a few times against Liverpool, with Kyle Walker-Peters on the ball, in the example below, forming a front four. Danny Ings is the main attacking threat from crosses but is left wing, so the chances of scoring from a cross played into the area are low. Walker-Peters takes a beat. In slowing play down, Liverpool have a chance to get back into their defensive shape and the chance to score is gone. Walker-Peters then passes back towards his defence. Liverpool then push forward to follow the ball and try to win it back close to half way, but Southampton are in position to recycle the ball in their little triangles. James Ward-Prowse passes (1) back to Jan Bednarek, who passes (2) to Ibrahima Diallo, who has three available options for the next pass. Behind Diallo, Liverpool's defensive line is squeezing up. One smart pass over the top could spring the offside trap and play Southampton's pacy forward line in behind but on this occasion, Diallo is fouled.Southampton don't simply lump the ball into the box, nor do they patiently probe in the final third. They are built to harrass, hassle, wait... and spring a trap Edited 6 January, 2021 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 6 January, 2021 Share Posted 6 January, 2021 Its a really good piece on Hassenhuttle's tactics and how well drilled his teams are. To me as a relative layman, I would expect it to require a similar level of prep (as saints have) for teams to adapt their games to avoid our traps, which means they are invariably reduced to trying to defend against us and wait until we are worn down to try and get their goals. That is a huge credit to our entire set up given we don't have the biggest or most illustrious squad in football. When combined with assets like Ings and JWP, who can get you a goal from nothing, it isn't surprising (but remains impressive) to see us competing. As I was saying the other day after the west ham game. Our bad patch (with thread bare squad), has included narrow loses to in form united and city, goalless draws with west ham and fulham, and a victory over League leaders and defending champions Liverpool... People should be dreaming of a top 4 finish because we do actually have an outside chance of managing it. And top 6 is certainly a good possibility. If sky wanted to offer me 650:1 for us to finish 1st or 2nd who was i to refuse ^_^ (if you aren't going to take those odds on a season like this, then when would you?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Bates Statue Posted 6 January, 2021 Share Posted 6 January, 2021 Quote Southampton's Expected Goals of 20.23 vs actual goals scored of 26 suggests their form will eventually level out, but nobody will care about under-the-hood metrics if the players continue to be rewarded for their high-intensity performances. Great players are often able to beat the xG model (Harry Kane does every single season, for example), and Danny Ings has scored seven goals from an xG of 4.31 on his own this season, including the stunning finish against Liverpool which he definitely meant. Either Ings and his teammates are really on form and getting lucky from time to time, or Southampton have better players than many realised. At the moment their position of sixth is fully merited and if they can keep the momentum going and avoid injuries, they could finish even higher, a fitting reward for persevering with Hasenhuttl during difficult times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 6 January, 2021 Share Posted 6 January, 2021 Don't start with all this passing it backwards is good nonsense "GET IT IN THE MIXER FFS" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboy Posted 6 January, 2021 Share Posted 6 January, 2021 5 hours ago, tajjuk said: Or you can pause the loading of the page just before the subscription banner comes up. 😄 How do I do that .? I’m on safari? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 6 January, 2021 Share Posted 6 January, 2021 1 hour ago, johnnyboy said: How do I do that .? I’m on safari? Maybe ask a giraffe or an elephant for help? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnia Cherie Posted 7 January, 2021 Share Posted 7 January, 2021 Good to read an article like this. They certainly look like a well drilled and fit team. So much better than the Mark Hughes days when the players looked disjointed and lethargic. I like Ralph. I was impressed when not long after we had lost so heavily to Leicester, Ralph was asked by interviewers for his opinion on that defeat. He was very honest, saying he had lost his way for a bit and as a result the team had suffered. So refreshing to hear a manager take the flak and not pass the buck to others. Since then the change has been nothing short of remarkable. Long may King Ralph reign! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 7 January, 2021 Share Posted 7 January, 2021 16 hours ago, johnnyboy said: How do I do that .? I’m on safari? Is there like a page reloading button? or something similar, on most browsers that turns to a cross to stop the loading of the screen, not sure what it would be on a phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 7 January, 2021 Share Posted 7 January, 2021 On 06/01/2021 at 15:44, tajjuk said: Or you can pause the loading of the page just before the subscription banner comes up. 😄 that actually worked after three or four near misses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 7 January, 2021 Share Posted 7 January, 2021 1 hour ago, tajjuk said: Is there like a page reloading button? or something similar, on most browsers that turns to a cross to stop the loading of the screen, not sure what it would be on a phone. refresh and hit the X (same as refresh button) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 7 January, 2021 Share Posted 7 January, 2021 I'd love someone to do a similar tactical analysis of us under Mark Hughes 😝 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 January, 2021 Share Posted 7 January, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USaint Posted 7 January, 2021 Share Posted 7 January, 2021 Another good article about us and KWP https://www.football365.com/news/walker-peters-southampton-hasenhuttl-opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 January, 2021 Share Posted 8 January, 2021 Only thing in the article I don't really agree with is the notion we attack as a 2-4-4. We've all complained at one time or another about Bertrand this season, but in the Liverpool game I think I realised that him sitting back was intentional. He doesn't have the pace or the stamina any more to bomb up and down the wing all game long like KWP does and so we're using him effectively as an extra defender in case of counter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 8 January, 2021 Share Posted 8 January, 2021 On 06/01/2021 at 21:20, johnnyboy said: How do I do that .? I’m on safari? mash the escape key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Saint Posted 8 January, 2021 Share Posted 8 January, 2021 On 06/01/2021 at 20:04, The Cat said: Don't start with all this passing it backwards is good nonsense "GET IT IN THE MIXER FFS" Lots of teams do use plenty of passing back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 8 January, 2021 Share Posted 8 January, 2021 53 minutes ago, Totton Saint said: Lots of teams do use plenty of passing back And why we press and how we get chances and territory 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 8 January, 2021 Share Posted 8 January, 2021 (edited) It wasn't that long ago that we had Pellegrino and Hughes. Hassenhutl is a brilliant manager, there is no denying that, but to turn things around after the damage those two, plus Les Reed and Krueger, enflicted, is nothing short of remarkable. I hope, and am optimistic, he is here for the long haul. Edited 8 January, 2021 by Pamplemousse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 January, 2021 Share Posted 8 January, 2021 49 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: It wasn't that long ago that we had Pellegrino and Hughes. Hassenhutl is a brilliant manager, there is no denying that, but to turn things around after the damage those two, plus Les Reed and Krueger, enflicted, is nothing short of remarkable. I hope, and am optimistic, he is here for the long haul. Infuriating isn't it, imagine if we hadn't been shackled by the wages of Forster, Hoedt, Boufal, Lemina, Carrillo and probably someone else I'm forgetting, as well as the £19million we wasted on Carrillo just before Ralph came in. By the time we get to a point where he can spend some decent money for players that really suit his system, it'll probably be about time he wants to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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