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I'm actually happier that we're playing Fulham now that they've picked up a bit. It always feels that we have a poor track record against teams that are in the midst of a bad run...

(MLG notes: yes, I know... the stats probably show that we don't fair more worse against teams looking to break a bad run compared to any other team, so my post is indeed pretty pointless. It's a fair cop)

 

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47 minutes ago, sydney_saint said:

It was a very good goal. But a classic Redmond goal in that it was calm and sweetly finished with the game already wrapped up. His record when scoring under pressure is pretty woeful in my opinion. I just went through his EPL goals in the last 2 seasons.

Sheffield United- scored the 3rd in a 3-0 win

Norwich- scored the 3rd in a 3-0 win

Palace- good boy scored the 1st in a 2-0 win

Chelsea- scored 2nd in a 2-0 win

Brighton- scored 2nd in a 2-0 win


That's not to say that scoring the 2nd in a 2-0 win isn't important. Of course it is and secures us the points. But in theory we could have still won the game even without it. And I feel he struggles to convert in vital moments. Like that chance against Arsenal. I bet if we were still winning he would have buried it. Compare him to Djenepo, who has only scored 3 goals for us, but every single goal has been vitally important.

I would bring Redmond on in this game if we are winning, but I certainly would not be starting him or bringing him on if we need a winner/equaliser. 

Interesting stats. To back up your theory, I'd add Pompey away in the League cup when he scored the 4th in the 4-0 victory. 

I'd also highlight that the majority of the examples are away (exception being Sheff U). I've always felt that he is less effective at home (possibly because he lacks a real spark to unlock deeply packed defensive cover). 

He was truly awful on Saturday, but I'm still a fan and I'd always pick him for away games where he does a great deal of covering and support work which is needed when we have less possession. For the same reasons, I'd consider him for home games against the bigger teams. 

He will always lack genuine pace and probably strong decision making, but he can add value to the Saints team. I personally hope that he starts on Boxing day as Fulham away is the sort of game he excels in .... 

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44 minutes ago, Totton Saint said:

Saints communications office have had plenty of time to assess the severity or otherwise of Ing,s hamstring and let us, the great unwashed, know what the situation is

 

 

I'm not sure they will let us know. They might keep Fulham guessing right up until kick off. 

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51 minutes ago, Totton Saint said:

Saints communications office have had plenty of time to assess the severity or otherwise of Ing,s hamstring and let us, the great unwashed, know what the situation is

We don't need to know. Especially not at the expense of letting Fulham prepare for him if it is minor.

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I would like to see this team:

McCarthy

KWP Bednarek Vestergaard Vokins

JWP Diallo

Armstrong Walcott 

Adams Long

Subs: Forster, Stephens, Salisu, Bertrand, Smallbone, Redmond, Djenepo, Nlundulu, Tella

I just have a feeling that if Long is given a chance from the start, he might come good and create more space for Che. Bertrand looks like he needs a rest and there are two games in three days. Let's have another look at what Vokins can do before the window opens. Hopefully, Armstrong will come back stronger after being tested. I know this is unlikely to be the lineup that Ralph selects, but it feels to me that it would be good to rotate a little, but without losing too much "automatism".

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Diallo time has come .looking forward to see him start .. Brest have fallen down the french ligue 1 without him .. he was pivotal for them not only winning the ball but his distribution was excellent too .. his cameos for saints has shown us he can also pick a pass and has the ability to open up defences .. Im hoping he takes his Chance and bosses the game I’m going 0-1 saints win .

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15 minutes ago, Chris cooper said:

Diallo time has come .looking forward to see him start .. Brest have fallen down the french ligue 1 without him .. he was pivotal for them not only winning the ball but his distribution was excellent too .. his cameos for saints has shown us he can also pick a pass and has the ability to open up defences .. Im hoping he takes his Chance and bosses the game I’m going 0-1 saints win .

I'm not as confident he will boss the game, but his brief appearances and track record point to him fitting in well.  Fair to say though, he is being asked to fill big shoes; Romeu has been superb.

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2 minutes ago, austsaint said:

I'm not as confident he will boss the game, but his brief appearances and track record point to him fitting in well.  Fair to say though, he is being asked to fill big shoes; Romeu has been superb.

Romeu has been immense.. never could play both him and hoijberg tho they both were very similar and had an negative effect in the middle for saints ... now the latter has gone to Spurs ..Romeu is flourishing in that role .. diallo just has the little more attacking threat for me but his chance wouldn’t have come if Romeu hadn’t picked up a suspension..and rightly so!... il be watching diallo closely Boxing Day I think he’s guna get rave reviews 🤞🏻

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19 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

I don't understand why, after looking like such a top player whilst running at defences and taking players on, he's suddenly regressed to his big standard "jog forward, defender steps up, cut inside and lay the ball off to Bertrand or a midfielder, rinse and repeat". 

When did Redmond ever regularly take players on? He almost never tries to take on a fullback on the outside to get a cross in - almost all of his runs are inside/across the face of the box in the hope of finding a yard to spoon a shot over the bar.

Driving to the byline to get a cross in is something he does so rarely that you can count it as a per-season rather than a per-game occurrence.

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8 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

When did Redmond ever regularly take players on? He almost never tries to take on a fullback on the outside to get a cross in - almost all of his runs are inside/across the face of the box in the hope of finding a yard to spoon a shot over the bar.

Driving to the byline to get a cross in is something he does so rarely that you can count it as a per-season rather than a per-game occurrence.

I remember in League cup final he did and was excellent that say. Don't know why he doesn't do it regularly as he has the attributes to do so. 

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Compared to most saints have a better fixture schedule over Xmas period. Hopefully rest some players for Fulham in prep for West ham game as bit of a bogey team for us. Romeu and maybe Ings back with a bit of luck. Utilise likes of Redmond, Diallo and Walcott up front for Fulham. West ham play Sunday, Tuesday and then Friday 😮

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9 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

When did Redmond ever regularly take players on? He almost never tries to take on a fullback on the outside to get a cross in - almost all of his runs are inside/across the face of the box in the hope of finding a yard to spoon a shot over the bar.

Driving to the byline to get a cross in is something he does so rarely that you can count it as a per-season rather than a per-game occurrence.

He's mainly right footed an plays mainly on the left so it's not natural for him to get to the byline and put in a cross.  Also, we don't really play that way.  We ask our wide midfielders to play from those positions into the centre of the pitch.  Just look where most of Armstong's shots and goals have come from for evidence.  I think Redmond could contriute a lot more than he is - agruably play more like Sterling in terms of type of forward - but asking him to get crosses in from the left is unlikely to happen IMO.

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4 hours ago, Alanh said:

He's mainly right footed an plays mainly on the left so it's not natural for him to get to the byline and put in a cross.  Also, we don't really play that way.  We ask our wide midfielders to play from those positions into the centre of the pitch.  Just look where most of Armstong's shots and goals have come from for evidence.  I think Redmond could contriute a lot more than he is - agruably play more like Sterling in terms of type of forward - but asking him to get crosses in from the left is unlikely to happen IMO.

and even on the rare occasions he has gotten to the byline he never finds the right pass. hes not the type to whip in crosses with is left, fair enough but the whole point of his position is to create chances for the strikers. dont really care how he goes about it - cutting in or beating his man to create the free man. he seems completely inept at doing either. confidence seems gone which is strange considering the form of the team. walcott and armstrong in the 10 positions is the way forward for now.  

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On 21/12/2020 at 06:23, sydney_saint said:

It was a very good goal. But a classic Redmond goal in that it was calm and sweetly finished with the game already wrapped up. His record when scoring under pressure is pretty woeful in my opinion. I just went through his EPL goals in the last 2 seasons.

Sheffield United- scored the 3rd in a 3-0 win

Norwich- scored the 3rd in a 3-0 win

Palace- good boy scored the 1st in a 2-0 win

Chelsea- scored 2nd in a 2-0 win

Brighton- scored 2nd in a 2-0 win


That's not to say that scoring the 2nd in a 2-0 win isn't important. Of course it is and secures us the points. But in theory we could have still won the game even without it. And I feel he struggles to convert in vital moments. Like that chance against Arsenal. I bet if we were still winning he would have buried it. Compare him to Djenepo, who has only scored 3 goals for us, but every single goal has been vitally important.

I would bring Redmond on in this game if we are winning, but I certainly would not be starting him or bringing him on if we need a winner/equaliser. 

i like Redmond, but this is a bit of an eye opener..

when was the last time he had a goal that made a difference in points earned... ie: a game winner or a draw.

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I'd start Redmond upfront and let Walcott continue in midfield. Walcott is finding great pockets of space in his current role and it seems a shame to lose that as well as losing Ings. 

Give Redmond a crack up front and if it's not working we've still got options on the bench.

Also, Armstrong back in for Djenepo.

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3 hours ago, benjii said:

I'd start Redmond upfront and let Walcott continue in midfield. Walcott is finding great pockets of space in his current role and it seems a shame to lose that as well as losing Ings. 

Give Redmond a crack up front and if it's not working we've still got options on the bench.

Also, Armstrong back in for Djenepo.

Not sure anybody is seriously suggesting that Theo should be dropped for the trip to Craven Cottage. He is undroppable at the moment, the only spark of real quality in our attacking options.

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10 hours ago, Alanh said:

He's mainly right footed an plays mainly on the left so it's not natural for him to get to the byline and put in a cross.  Also, we don't really play that way.  We ask our wide midfielders to play from those positions into the centre of the pitch.  Just look where most of Armstong's shots and goals have come from for evidence.  I think Redmond could contriute a lot more than he is - agruably play more like Sterling in terms of type of forward - but asking him to get crosses in from the left is unlikely to happen IMO.

This is a fair point, but Djenepo is also right footed, but still regularly tries to get by his fullback when playing on the left. Unless he sees an easy chance to drift infield, Redmond is where our attacks on the left go to die.

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10 hours ago, Alanh said:

He's mainly right footed an plays mainly on the left so it's not natural for him to get to the byline and put in a cross.  Also, we don't really play that way.  We ask our wide midfielders to play from those positions into the centre of the pitch.  Just look where most of Armstong's shots and goals have come from for evidence.  I think Redmond could contriute a lot more than he is - agruably play more like Sterling in terms of type of forward - but asking him to get crosses in from the left is unlikely to happen IMO.

Is it too much to ask that a highly paid and intensively coached professional footballer learn to cross half-decently with his weaker foot?

I can do it so why not Redders?

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I don’t understand the resting players philosophy. Fulham look pretty useful, we will need the strongest eleven we can put out to get something. We need to win the winnables, whilst we have been riding high we are also not that far away from mid table obscurity. 

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2 hours ago, Toussaint said:

I don’t understand the resting players philosophy. Fulham look pretty useful, we will need the strongest eleven we can put out to get something. We need to win the winnables, whilst we have been riding high we are also not that far away from mid table obscurity. 

Fulham are third from bottom with a record of P14 W2 D4 L8 
They’re shit and we will beat them comfortably. 
 

I may live to regret this post. 

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20 minutes ago, Dorchester Saint said:

Fulham are third from bottom with a record of P14 W2 D4 L8 
They’re shit and we will beat them comfortably. 
 

I may live to regret this post. 

I hope you don't live to regret your post, but I've seen them a few times lately I think they look pretty good. They have a different line up to the one that started the season. On current form we are 9th, they 12th. I still believe we need to put out the strongest team we can muster and not take them lightly, which I am sure Ralph will not.

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14 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

I hope you don't live to regret your post, but I've seen them a few times lately I think they look pretty good. They have a different line up to the one that started the season. On current form we are 9th, they 12th. I still believe we need to put out the strongest team we can muster and not take them lightly, which I am sure Ralph will not.

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They also played well against Liverpool a few games back when two penalty decisions went against them so that they had to make do with a draw. We will be probably be without two of our best players (Romeo & Ings).  Of course we can win but I am with Toussaint, play our best available team - it's going to be tougher than it would have been a month ago. 

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17 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Not sure anybody is seriously suggesting that Theo should be dropped for the trip to Craven Cottage. He is undroppable at the moment, the only spark of real quality in our attacking options.

Who would you play  up front with Redders ?  What about Adams as well

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We have a decent first 11 or 12 when they all play to their full potential.  Take one or two of them out through injury and we quickly become pretty average.   I wouldn't be too cock sure about winning this one, they will definitely fancy their chances. 

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6 hours ago, Dorchester Saint said:

Fulham are third from bottom with a record of P14 W2 D4 L8 
They’re shit and we will beat them comfortably. 
 

I may live to regret this post. 

It's recent form that matters more.

And we will be without key players that may unbalance the team. Score draw is my realistic forecast. 1-1

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33 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Guessing it will be:

McCarthy

KWP, Bednarek, Salisu, Bertrand

JWP, Diallo

Armstrong, Djenepo

Walcott, Adams

Decent enough lineup but will be very little quality available from the bench.

 

Stephens before Salisu with Bednarek switching to left side, as was the case for most of the post lockdown period last season. Would be surprised if he throws Salisu straight in. 

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11 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

Stephens before Salisu with Bednarek switching to left side, as was the case for most of the post lockdown period last season. Would be surprised if he throws Salisu straight in. 

I think you're right.

However: at some point Salisu has to be thrown in. Presumably he's nearly there, or he wouldn't be on the bench?

Maybe Ralph is waiting for Shrewsbury.

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On 22/12/2020 at 16:00, benjii said:

I'd start Redmond upfront and let Walcott continue in midfield. Walcott is finding great pockets of space in his current role and it seems a shame to lose that as well as losing Ings. 

Give Redmond a crack up front and if it's not working we've still got options on the bench.

Also, Armstrong back in for Djenepo.

I agree with you. If it doesn't work just switch Theo and Redmond.

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