Saints 0 v Man City 1 Autopsy

[sydney_saint]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

I would have been very unhappy if that had been given against us. The ball deflected up and hit his hand. They get given, but wrongly so in my opinion. He wasn’t looking to gain an advantage, it just hit his hand.

20 years ago I would agree. But let's look at why handballs are given. Is there distance between first contact and handball- yes. Did he gain an advantage by ball hitting his arm- not 100% as don't know who was at edge of box, but likely yes. Could the arm have been in a different more natural position- yes. By the standards set not just this season, but last few, it's a handball. And I would be willing to bet my left nut it would have been given against us

[pimpin4rizeal]

Still think it was a mistake to get rid of boufal over Redmond and djenepo..these two are just not good enough and would be easily replaced,Walcott is like a breath of fresh air in comparison.

agree it would have probably been a better move to put Walcott up front for ings tough ask for tella and nlundulu to come into this game and change it where was Armstrong today ?

amazing how much vestergaard has turned it around this season, gone from joke figure laughing stock to a absolutel colossus looking like we have another world class center back on our hands at the moment 

[BigShadow]

1 hour ago, Shroppie said:

But the rules as changed this season are clear. Arm away from body. Ball hits arm now the sleeve. Penalty. Would have been at the other end.

The laws are clear...

......it is not an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:

• directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)

In this case, Sterlings thigh deflected the ball to his hand...not Handball.

[Saint Billy]

Pretty good performance despite the loss. Vest again was exceptional, wow those two pinpoint long range passes were something else. Shame about Ings but not surprised as he has been off his game since returning so it is obvious he has not truly recovered.

We really need to spend in the window to strengthen the bench at least, Redmond coming on does not fill me with optimism that he is going to change the game.

[Plastic]

Guardiola says that Ward-Prowse "is the best fee kick taker he's ever seen in his life" - praise indeed.

Edited 19 December, 2020 by Plastic

[Pilchards]

1 hour ago, LeG said:

Tella did Redmonds job there. Fed up with Bert and Redders. Constantly slowing down our attacks. Must address in Jan. 

Proud of the team. Matching City isnt easy. Can't wait for each game.

Totally agree, the right flank is producing so many options while the left creates lots of puff before it gets turned back again.

 

[Colinjb]

We are not afraid to go toe-to-toe with anyone now.

The result was not ideal, but we are living in charmed times.

And the ref can go suck a..........

[JRM]

Frustrating game, we were solid at the back and played well but definitely lack quality in the final third, for me Djenepo plays like he's not sure which end he should be attacking, hopefully Armstrong in for him next game. 

Not their fault but these young lads coming through are not showing any signs they're going to become first team players, improvement needed. What's happened to Smallbone?

We absolutely should have had a penalty, I've had a strong hatred of that wanker Mike Dean for a number of years,  he's stitched us up a few times and enjoyed himself again today. How the fuck he didn't give that handball when you compare it to some of the others he's given. 

Ings has not looked at it since coming back from injury and now set for another spell on the sidelines, we could do with some points against Fulham as very tough run after that missing key players. 

[mikeyc]

Really proud of the team. City's time wasting second half, Ederson's booking for time wasting, KDB taking it to the corner flag, says a lot for me. 

[Chez]

I thought Pep was blowing smoke up our arse when describing Romeu as one of the best midfielders in the Prem, but he then went on to to run the game almost from start to finish. I've always enjoyed watching him play, but he looks more composed every time he plays. He wasn't the only one to look top notch, KWP and Vestegaard were outstanding. Andy Townsend was right about Walcott, too , best performance I've seen from him in years. Ings injury apart, there were very few negatives. Redmond had a mare, and I thought Bertie looked slow. Not sure if he was just tired or has lost half a yard and its the first time I've noticed it. He's been fantastic for us. I hope he was just tired.  Fingers crossed Ings' injury is not too bad. 

[sydenhamssocks]

3 hours ago, LeG said:

Tella did Redmonds job there. Fed up with Bert and Redders. Constantly slowing down our attacks. Must address in Jan. 

Proud of the team. Matching City isnt easy. Can't wait for each game.

Absolutely spot on. Lack of real commitment to Ralph’s ideas from both of them for a while now

it was never going to suit everyone we had in squad,  but those who are buying into it and making things happen are becoming more and more obvious this season and if alternatives for these two could found in January, then so be it  

 

 

 

[tpv01]

Could give redmond benefit of the doubt and say that he had the wrong footwear on. A few players were slipping and conditions got worse through the game. We know players always go for boots with minimum grip. Tough game to come into for a player like that. Mahrez looked equally bad when he came on in a similar role.

Liked how we passed it today. Against Arsenal 1st half it was sloppy like we were believing the hype. This was tighter and more assertive, and city really had to grind this one out. 

Not heard any mentions for che whose hold up play was excellent against two quality CBs. Fast becoming out most important player and a quality centre forward. Easily had the best game of any of the 5 or 6 that played up top today for either side  

6 points from the next two should be the target. 

Edited 20 December, 2020 by tpv01

[Jonnyboy]

2 hours ago, Chez said:

I thought Pep was blowing smoke up our arse when describing Romeu as one of the best midfielders in the Prem, but he then went on to to run the game almost from start to finish. I've always enjoyed watching him play, but he looks more composed every time he plays. He wasn't the only one to look top notch, KWP and Vestegaard were outstanding. Andy Townsend was right about Walcott, too , best performance I've seen from him in years. Ings injury apart, there were very few negatives. Redmond had a mare, and I thought Bertie looked slow. Not sure if he was just tired or has lost half a yard and its the first time I've noticed it. He's been fantastic for us. I hope he was just tired.  Fingers crossed Ings' injury is not too bad. 

I was thinking the other day, to win unfortunately you have to be ruthless, and if a replacement for Bertrand of the quality of KWP was available, I'd go for it. Sorry Berts. 

[John Boy Saint]

More pissed off at; suddenly discovering, whilst looking for Whitehouse & Mortimer Gone Fishing Christmas Special on iPlayer via Sky Q, rather than watching Idris Elba blowing even more sunshine up Paul McCartneys chuff, that Amazon Prime Video is available now as a Sky Q app viewing selection, been rather nice if either of them 2 had let me in on the secret - as opposed to me friggin about trying to get a connection to watch the match via various means because the chuffin Wi-fi won’t pass through the bloody walls of the house (but works like the clappers at the end of Sandras, 3 doors downs drive!)......................................than I was at Saints losing 1-0 to a technically adept Man City team. 
Bit pants that we have come up against 2 teams in the space of few days that have started the season like they have water in their Petrol tank spluttering along, yet despite us being the best Saints team we have seen in a while, suddenly get a bit of clean fuel in the pipes just as they play us making an effort to play, and eek out  a result.

Hey-ho been watching Saints long enough to know not to hope too much.

Thought Walcott played pretty well, just needs to up his ball retention, on the flip side Redmond just needs to stop thinking and just believe in himself - if you were sat with a Martian watching his first game and you had guessing game “ the players on the wide left and right - one is 26 the other is 31 - which is which?” On today’s game our little Green friend would guess wrong. Che got pants service, thought Tella did ok. If Che was living off scraps bit of a tall order to expect young Tella to fill his boots. Great to see Vestergaards turnaround - well done to him.

 

[austsaint]

2 hours ago, Chez said:

I thought Pep was blowing smoke up our arse when describing Romeu as one of the best midfielders in the Prem, but he then went on to to run the game almost from start to finish. I've always enjoyed watching him play, but he looks more composed every time he plays. He wasn't the only one to look top notch, KWP and Vestegaard were outstanding. Andy Townsend was right about Walcott, too , best performance I've seen from him in years. Ings injury apart, there were very few negatives. Redmond had a mare, and I thought Bertie looked slow. Not sure if he was just tired or has lost half a yard and its the first time I've noticed it. He's been fantastic for us. I hope he was just tired.  Fingers crossed Ings' injury is not too bad. 

Yes, Romeu, KWP and Vestergaard were all outstanding today.   Romeu now not just a DM but has licence to get forward and thread passes into dangerous areas.   I thought Vest may struggle with the speed of their attack but he read play well, stayed calm apart from that moment with RB and delivered passes VVD would have been happy with.   Is there a better RB in England than KWP?     Has to be the best bit of business Saints have done for quite a while.   Theo combined well with KWP and really put the blow torch on their RB.      Bertrand's an interesting one - it's not long ago he was marauding down the flank and sending great crosses in, particularly when Redmond was combining well, as was Boufal at one point.  I wonder whether the patchy form of Redmond and Djenepo has interrupted the fluency of his game.   It's certainly blunted the attacking threat on our left channel.      Still a very encouraging performance after that first 15 minute blitz and as others have said, in the end City seemed happy to waste time and play a containing game

[rooney]

We played to well yesterday and City time wasting says it all. Unfortunately City do not make many mistakes we can capitalize on but overall they had better chances than us. Vest and Theo were superb.

[Pilchards]

Don’ think we had the luck either, A couple of crosses almost made its target and Ings was so unlucky not to get that rebound.

[Sarnia Cherie]

As an old biddy of 72, my sons tell me I don't know about football but what I do know is this. As a Saints fan for many, many years, I love my team through thick and thin. So, 2 questions from me, please. Why was that tackle on Ings in front of the City goal not a penalty? I watched all the game and the commentator said the City player did not impede Danny Ings's chance to score. However, viewed in slow motion, Ings spots this boot heading for his face and moves his head to the left. That has impeded him, hasn't it? Also, Che Adams has taken a while to settle at Saints but there have been a few encouraging signs more recently. Is it me or does he hold back slightly when he could tackle or beat a player to the ball? City are a good team, no doubt about it, but I felt a draw would have been a fairer result. Great to be where we are at Christmas though. 

[Saint_clark]

12 hours ago, BigShadow said:

The laws are clear...

......it is not an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:

• directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)

In this case, Sterlings thigh deflected the ball to his hand...not Handball.

Time to do keep ups, grab hold of the ball and run it into the net then.

[Kingsland Red]

First visit back to St Marys since the Newcastle match.

I thought it was a good, intensive game; which Saints contributed to as much as City with our non-stop press.

JWP was constantly on the move; Romeu and Vestergaard broke up so many attacks with decent tackles / interceptions; KWP did well down the right.

As usual at St Marys, the fans found a Skate, a dying bread in this league, ( Saggy?) in the commentary gantry on the Northam, and dished it out.

Apart from it being bloody cold , a good day out with some return to normality in strange times.

Thank you to the stewards for their friendly, logical but authoritative approach to guide us to and from our seats from that nasty world outside.

[goodymatt]

7 hours ago, austsaint said:

Yes, Romeu, KWP and Vestergaard were all outstanding today.   Romeu now not just a DM but has licence to get forward and thread passes into dangerous areas.   I thought Vest may struggle with the speed of their attack but he read play well, stayed calm apart from that moment with RB and delivered passes VVD would have been happy with.   Is there a better RB in England than KWP?     Has to be the best bit of business Saints have done for quite a while.   Theo combined well with KWP and really put the blow torch on their RB.      Bertrand's an interesting one - it's not long ago he was marauding down the flank and sending great crosses in, particularly when Redmond was combining well, as was Boufal at one point.  I wonder whether the patchy form of Redmond and Djenepo has interrupted the fluency of his game.   It's certainly blunted the attacking threat on our left channel.      Still a very encouraging performance after that first 15 minute blitz and as others have said, in the end City seemed happy to waste time and play a containing game

I think you are right regarding Bertrand. Form of Redmond and Djenepo is affecting his game. He clearly has a better understanding with Redmond, who had a mare yesterday after coming on.

I notice that he’s less likely to commit forwards and provide the overlap when Djenepo is facing up to beat a man. I think it’s because 9/10 Djenepo loses the ball and it would leave us completely exposed if Bertrand had gone for the overlap. Also Djenepo often doesn’t choose to pass when he does, preferring to try and dribble to the byline.

City are a dangerous team on the counter and I don’t think a conservative approach from Bertrand means he’s starting to show signs he’s over the hill. I think it’s more experience or maybe even Ralph telling him to protect that space. From the start of the season I’ve noticed KWP has been given more freedom to get forward.

[Brumsaint]

Theo was fantastic yesterday, and I thought he still looked full of running at the end - his chasing back was superb. KWP also had one of his best games and that made the contrast with the left wing even starker. I was rooting for Redders to start, but when he replaced Moussa, I couldn't quite believe my eyes that it was the same player who came on and scored last weekend.

Che did brilliantly in the middle of the park battling to keep and win possession, but he had no service where it hurts and we seemed to be relying on luck - for the ball to bounce kindly, rather than creating any clear cut chances. I thought City defended very well, but we lacked a cutting edge at the end of some very good build up. Danny hasn't looked himself, even before the injury, so I hope they look after him and get him properly fit, rather than rushing him back again. 

Jannik was almost faultless once again and his passing was fantastic. I just wish we had a couple of other players who could pick a forward pass nearly as well as him.

It was really disappointing to get nothing from the game, but if you don't even test the keeper, you can't really expect too much. Onwards to a couple of very winnable games that will show whether we can sustain a push for European places. 

[Charlie Wayman]

A poor first sub was one of the keys to this result. Had we moved Walcott to the No 9 position and brought on Redmond or Armstrong instead of Tella things might have turned out differently. As it was an outstanding performance by Theo achieved little more perhaps than show up the inadequacies of our attacking options. He is the one piece of real attacking quality that we have in the side other than Ings and his off the ball chasing and recovery puts many others to shame. Had we won he would have been MotM but we lost so it had to be a defender. That's taking nothing away from the Big V who once again played a blinder.

I get the impression that RH is in awe of the top six clubs and is half beaten before we start. Hard to change that mindset. To win everyone has to be 100% positive.

Edited 20 December, 2020 by Charlie Wayman

[Charlie Wayman]

A simple question. With ten minutes to go why can't we just lump it route 1 into their box and see how the pieces fall rather than tippy tappy square and back "looking for openings'' in a dam that never showed any signs of cracking? Just asking.

[VectisSaint]

Had to wait to post a reaction (3 posts). Thought in many ways that was the best we had played, in terms of exciting, quick build up and excellent, slick, accurate passing. Given who we were playing we were very very good. City have not conceded a PL goal in 4 games (5 now), its a bit unusual that City are defensively now very good, and yet we embarrassed them many times, and the luck went their way. Admittedly later on we were not so impressive, Redders having an absolute nightmare (had to laugh at the Amazon 'tator saying Redmond was a big hero of the St Mary's fans). In particular Vestegaard had another really good game, where has this come from? He was an absolute donkey last season, I was one who really hoped he would go to Leicester, is he actually his twin brother or something, now looks like one of the best CBs in the PL. KWP was also excellent again. But best of all was Theo, his energy and fighting spirit were awesome yesterday, lost count of the number of tackles he put in, invariably winning the ball back from his opponent, something I've never really seen him do in his whole career. We were a bit let down by the left side, Bertie is looking a bit ponderous and his switch off nearly cost us dear, not convinced yet by Djenepo either, though his trickery with the ball is top class at times. We missed Armstong (the on form Armstrong), but its a bit of a problem with both Armstrong and Walcott being better on the right, our two best AMs (when on form) are both right-sided, and our left side being inferior leaves us somewhat unbalanced. All in all a thoroughly enjoyable game with Saints clearly on top for the majority of the 90 minutes. A draw would have been a fair result. Hopefully Ings' injury is not so bad, if he just felt his hammy as Ralph has suggested it might not be too bad.

[Singapore Saint]

3 hours ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

Why was that tackle on Ings in front of the City goal not a penalty? I watched all the game and the commentator said the City player did not impede Danny Ings's chance to score. However, viewed in slow motion, Ings spots this boot heading for his face and moves his head to the left. That has impeded him, hasn't it?

No, Ings didn't see the City player's boot as he was heading the ball. Ings isn't a housefly that can see all around him while focusing on the ball. Ings had already headed the ball off-target by the time the boot struck him and caused him to fall. Hence he wasn't impeded, therefore no penalty.

[Singapore Saint]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

A simple question. With ten minutes to go why can't we just lump it route 1 into their box and see how the pieces fall rather than tippy tappy square and back "looking for openings'' in a dam that never showed any signs of cracking? Just asking.

I agree, just lump it into the box and see what happens. The surprise factor might cause confusion and the softest and unlikeliest of goals might have resulted.

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Singapore Saint said:

I agree, just lump it into the box and see what happens. The surprise factor might cause confusion and the softest and unlikeliest of goals might have resulted.

Yeah get it in the mixer! Don’t f*ck about with it! Walcott, Tella, N’Duuludu are going win loads of flick ons.

jesus wept 

[Matthew Le God]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yeah get it in the mixer! Don’t f*ck about with it! Walcott, Tella, N’Duuludu are going win loads of flick ons.

jesus wept 

Puzzled why you think N'Lundulu wouldn't win flick ons? He is huge and good in the air.

[Turkish]

15 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Puzzled why you think N'Lundulu wouldn't win flick ons? He is huge and good in the air.

[trousers]

2 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

A simple question. With ten minutes to go why can't we just lump it route 1 into their box and see how the pieces fall rather than tippy tappy square and back "looking for openings'' in a dam that never showed any signs of cracking? Just asking.

[S-Clarke]

GET IT IN THE BOX FFS

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

GET IT IN THE BOX FFS

JUMP WALCOTT YOU LAZY C1NT

[WALK DMC]

32 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

GET IT IN THE BOX FFS

With Saints attacking presence diminished in the last 15 minutes,  deploying Vestergaard as an emergency Centre forward wasn't the most stupid idea in the world. We'd tried 85 minutes of our usual approach without success and sometimes trying something unconventional can work. Vestergaard's mere size and presence can create for others - not something I'd recommend outside of the last 5-10 minutes, but when you're desperate for an equalizer, try anything ........ 

[Charlie Wayman]

54 minutes ago, trousers said:

Don't be such a pedant, anything is worth trying when all else is obviously failing. We're not talking about lumping it in the first ten minutes just in the last five when "searching for openings" isn't working and wasting what little time is left. Not everything about lumping is bad!

[Chickendippers]

12 hours ago, John Boy Saint said:

More pissed off at; suddenly discovering, whilst looking for Whitehouse & Mortimer Gone Fishing Christmas Special on iPlayer via Sky Q, rather than watching Idris Elba blowing even more sunshine up Paul McCartneys chuff, that Amazon Prime Video is available now as a Sky Q app viewing selection, been rather nice if either of them 2 had let me in on the secret - as opposed to me friggin about trying to get a connection to watch the match via various means because the chuffin Wi-fi won’t pass through the bloody walls of the house (but works like the clappers at the end of Sandras, 3 doors downs drive!)......................................than I was at Saints losing 1-0 to a technically adept Man City team. 
Bit pants that we have come up against 2 teams in the space of few days that have started the season like they have water in their Petrol tank spluttering along, yet despite us being the best Saints team we have seen in a while, suddenly get a bit of clean fuel in the pipes just as they play us making an effort to play, and eek out  a result.

Hey-ho been watching Saints long enough to know not to hope too much.

Thought Walcott played pretty well, just needs to up his ball retention, on the flip side Redmond just needs to stop thinking and just believe in himself - if you were sat with a Martian watching his first game and you had guessing game “ the players on the wide left and right - one is 26 the other is 31 - which is which?” On today’s game our little Green friend would guess wrong. Che got pants service, thought Tella did ok. If Che was living off scraps bit of a tall order to expect young Tella to fill his boots. Great to see Vestergaards turnaround - well done to him.

 

I used the Prime App for the first time too. It was terrible, like watching a dodgy stream with so much buffering and freezing. It had better improve for the next game!
Totally agreee with the Theo & KWP love and hearing the crowd appreciating the Vesty diagonals (plus the instant control) to either of them was great.

[The Cat]

I swear we used to chuck Vestergaard up front for the last few minutes and launch it to him. Might have been before Ralph joined. 

City have obviously focused on keeping clean sheets after last season and it's working well for them while they aren't as fluent going forwards. 

Quite tough to break down, Dias is very solid and Rodrigo is immense in front of the back 4. 

[washsaint]

Another very good performance from Saints - agree with Ralph: far better than when we beat them 1-0 in the summer.

In this game we were their equal rather than hanging on for dear life.  A draw would have been a fair result and Saints played some very good stuff but without much of a cutting edge.  This is what I think will hold us back against the bigger teams.

Without wishing to scapegoat 2 players who I thought were terrible were Bertrand and Redmond.  I don't know what has happened to Bertrand but he seems very slow and completely switched off a couple of times.

With all the talk about Ings extending his contract I would argue that it is equally (if not more so) important that we get Vestegaard signed up.  Once again yesterday he was incredible and his balls out of defence are outstanding.  Am I right in thinking he only has 18 months left on his contract too?

We are a very good team now - and exciting.  I don;t think there is another team (except Liverpool) that is so enjoyable to watch home or away.  We play without fear and to think this is pretty much the same team that (until the restart) struggled mightily for 2 seasons.

[BERMUDASAINT]

18 hours ago, sydney_saint said:

Just finished watching on replay. First thing that needs to be said. I was surprised dean managed to get peps cock out of his mouth to blow full-time. The only decision that went our way was KDB getting booked. Other than that, the assistant on the far side gave us more than the fucking referee. There are two refs I dread when playing a big side. Mike dean and Kevin friend, and dean did not disappoint. I'm a former ref, so I tend to remove bias as much as possible (recogise not fully) but we were short changed today. Give us a Michael Oliver today and we get a penalty. There are many decent refs in this country, they need promotions and chances rather than the same tired guys, who were not even good to begin with. I could rant all day about the referee structure in the uk and it's issues, but Mike dean still officiating at the top level represents everything that's wrong. 

Proud of the lads. A team that probably cost 5x as much as ours was time wasting from the 60th minute. That's all you need to know about the efforts our team put in, and the quality of our football. Sure, we should/could have worked the keeper more. But what I love is that we didn't just defend and hope for something, or grind out a 0-0. We played our football, stuck to our guns. That's all I ever ask and so proud despite defeat. 

Could we not get dick dean banned from our games. The bias was Soooooooo evident to shitty! Two great penalty shouts, weak cards against us, ignoring shitty dirty play. Playing the big boys is hard enough,  but constantly having biased refs is just fking us everything. Can we harrras those cheating ref before the game during the game and after! Can we have the crowds and team go mental for any penalty shout?? Don't start play,  surround the ref, get in his face for every pen shout, everyone! This referee cheating is criminal, treat them like so.......

[The Cat]

We are much more comfortable on the ball now. I enjoy watching us shift it from CB to CM, toying with opposition, waiting for them to lose shape and then playing it quickly through the lines to launch an attack. 

No doubt we will give away a silly goal or two doing it before the end of the season but taking those risks is worth it in the long term because it will get us a lot of goals.  

[BERMUDASAINT]

2 hours ago, Singapore Saint said:

No, Ings didn't see the City player's boot as he was heading the ball. Ings isn't a housefly that can see all around him while focusing on the ball. Ings had already headed the ball off-target by the time the boot struck him and caused him to fall. Hence he wasn't impeded, therefore no penalty.

That is high boot all day long!!! Do we have city fans posing as saints fans! Are you a pompey? Anywhere else on the pitch with you foot six feet in the air challenging for a headed ball, that was headed will be called all day long! The ref cheated us, he is a criminal!, I see a player protect his face in a wall, and gets a pen from a ball hammered at him from 10 yards, no hand and would have smashed him the face, no way it was ever making it to the goal........yet it is given? Oh but our two should not be allowed , fk off! They will use the constantly changing rule to keep the big boys winning games! Our boys work hard to make those chances, cause opponents mistakes, to just be ignored by criminal refereeing is disgusting and disheartening. 

[sydney_saint]

12 minutes ago, BERMUDASAINT said:

That is high boot all day long!!! Do we have city fans posing as saints fans! Are you a pompey? Anywhere else on the pitch with you foot six feet in the air challenging for a headed ball, that was headed will be called all day long! The ref cheated us, he is a criminal!, I see a player protect his face in a wall, and gets a pen from a ball hammered at him from 10 yards, no hand and would have smashed him the face, no way it was ever making it to the goal........yet it is given? Oh but our two should not be allowed , fk off! They will use the constantly changing rule to keep the big boys winning games! Our boys work hard to make those chances, cause opponents mistakes, to just be ignored by criminal refereeing is disgusting and disheartening. 

Sorry for blurry picture, but this to me shows it.

Boot starts coming up here 

And by the time he's heading it is here

Other angles show it as well. He also follows on Ings. At the very least it should have been an indirect freekick, you can't be sticking your foot up there! You learn that in the under 9s. 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, BERMUDASAINT said:

That is high boot all day long!!! Do we have city fans posing as saints fans! Are you a pompey? Anywhere else on the pitch with you foot six feet in the air challenging for a headed ball, that was headed will be called all day long! The ref cheated us, he is a criminal!, I see a player protect his face in a wall, and gets a pen from a ball hammered at him from 10 yards, no hand and would have smashed him the face, no way it was ever making it to the goal........yet it is given? Oh but our two should not be allowed , fk off! They will use the constantly changing rule to keep the big boys winning games! Our boys work hard to make those chances, cause opponents mistakes, to just be ignored by criminal refereeing is disgusting and disheartening. 

As Clattenburg said on the commentary, anywhere else on the pitch that would have been a foul.

[Fabrice29]

In fairness to the box it shouts the two closest moments we came to scoring yesterday were from crosses. Ings header and chance from Tella's cross in the second half. Doesn't have to be lumped into Walcott and Tella for crosses to create opportunities. Did feel we could have been a little more direct towards the end but it's a fine line between doing that, getting nowhere and regretting trying to force it too much. 

[Whitey Grandad]

I somehow feel that Ralph isn’t too bothered aa out going hell for leather in every game. I think he views it as a process of steady improvement building up confidence and working on keeping our shape. He knows that if we keep getting better the results will follow.

[niceandfriendly]

14 hours ago, Singapore Saint said:

No, Ings didn't see the City player's boot as he was heading the ball. Ings isn't a housefly that can see all around him while focusing on the ball. Ings had already headed the ball off-target by the time the boot struck him and caused him to fall. Hence he wasn't impeded, therefore no penalty.

So that means as long as the ball is heading out of play, you can wipe out another player off the ball. 

Contact with Ings from the defender and Ings with the ball happened about the same time, it was as blatant a foul as you could wish to see and a guaranteed pen for a top club.

[Singapore Saint]

12 hours ago, BERMUDASAINT said:

That is high boot all day long!!! Do we have city fans posing as saints fans! Are you a pompey? Anywhere else on the pitch with you foot six feet in the air challenging for a headed ball, that was headed will be called all day long! The ref cheated us, he is a criminal!, I see a player protect his face in a wall, and gets a pen from a ball hammered at him from 10 yards, no hand and would have smashed him the face, no way it was ever making it to the goal........yet it is given? Oh but our two should not be allowed , fk off! They will use the constantly changing rule to keep the big boys winning games! Our boys work hard to make those chances, cause opponents mistakes, to just be ignored by criminal refereeing is disgusting and disheartening. 

Sir, I have been supporting Saints since 1976 so don't question my bona fides. You are, if I might say so respectfully, seeing through rose-tinted glasses.

[Mosin]

12 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

As Clattenburg said on the commentary, anywhere else on the pitch that would have been a foul.

Since when did different parts of the field have different laws? you are talking rubbish, the laws are the same all over the pitch, so its a penalty, any late challnage is a free kick, no ifs or buts, was a poor decision, a wrong decicions and no matter how SOFT it is, a foul is a foul, just like offside is offside...

[Noodles34]

16 minutes ago, Mosin said:

Since when did different parts of the field have different laws? you are talking rubbish, the laws are the same all over the pitch, so its a penalty, any late challnage is a free kick, no ifs or buts, was a poor decision, a wrong decicions and no matter how SOFT it is, a foul is a foul, just like offside is offside...

Calm down FFS, he didn’t say that, He’s telling you what Clattenberg said, and he did say that. 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Mosin said:

Since when did different parts of the field have different laws? you are talking rubbish, the laws are the same all over the pitch, so its a penalty, any late challnage is a free kick, no ifs or buts, was a poor decision, a wrong decicions and no matter how SOFT it is, a foul is a foul, just like offside is offside...

I’m talking rubbish? I am only relaying what Clattenburg said.