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2 hours ago, Noodles34 said:

The bloke is a tool 

Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. But if by sharing his story he helps someone in the depths of depression and/or addiction get help and avoid suicide then it’s worth the bbc sharing, and I’m pleased he and they have done so.

Thought the piece itself was pretty good and wish his project every success.

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25 minutes ago, Chewy said:

Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. But if by sharing his story he helps someone in the depths of depression and/or addiction get help and avoid suicide then it’s worth the bbc sharing, and I’m pleased he and they have done so.

Thought the piece itself was pretty good and wish his project every success.

Agreed. I'm sure there's plenty of his behaviour he regrets, but who can say they haven't made mistakes?

I'm glad he's turned a corner and is putting his focus into a worthwhile project. He isn't the only high profile player to have gone off the rails in this way, but Claus is an example from a previous generation where no planning was done for retirement and hopefully subsequent generations have learnt from this. It isn't enough to be financially secure, you need a purpose - especially if you're used to the adulation of fans and comradery of a dressing room.  Once that's gone, it can leave a massive void and if you have an addictive personality then it'll be a slippery slope.

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2 hours ago, Noodles34 said:

The bloke is a tool 

Don't label someone who is unwell as a tool. We had this ignorance on the Maradona thread, and have it again. 

People don't choose to be an addict. They drink as other people do, but unlike other people, they find that they can't stop. They don't choose for that to happen. They're wired differently and can longer choose whether to drink or not. I've met loads of addicts who get into cocaine as their bodies need more alcohol and the coke helps them keep going. It's a sad situation. 

Don't criticise what you don't understand. 

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He formed some Great partnerships in his time here, when you look at centre backs we had like Monkou, Dean Richards, Michael Svenson. 

I remember his testimonial being a strange occasion against Celtic, don't think he really made any money from that. 

As mentioned he was well known for propping up the bar in venues and down the casino, amazing he lasted as a pro sportsman for so long, needed to get help earlier. 

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1 hour ago, JRM said:

He formed some Great partnerships in his time here, when you look at centre backs we had like Monkou, Dean Richards, Michael Svenson. 

I remember his testimonial being a strange occasion against Celtic, don't think he really made any money from that

As mentioned he was well known for propping up the bar in venues and down the casino, amazing he lasted as a pro sportsman for so long, needed to get help earlier. 

In retrospect, that’s probably a good thing. I wonder what kind of programmes clubs run for players in preparation for the end of their playing career. Let’s be honest, a lot of them aren’t the sharpest tools in the box and could probably do with some help and background knowledge in certain areas. Property development, grass root academies, car dealerships, etc.; as long as they’re get started whilst they’re still playing and they’ve got the capital, most players can be kept on the right track.

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My description of him being a tool is not based on his ‘problems’.

it’s just based on him full stop when he was with us. Just my take on him for various reasons. 
 

as for his after football problems, we’ll at least he could afford a regular cocaine  habit eh, 

Its good that he is helping others now, kudos for that but in my opinion he was a right knobhead when he played for us, before his ‘problems’. 

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I remember Claus's playing days quite fondly and was aware of his tendency to prop up a bar, but he gave his all on the pitch.  I follow him on twitter and he comes across as having the club at the centre of his heart still, always happy and positive with whatever is going on with the club.   I wish him well and hope he continues to defeat his demons.  If he did come back to the club in some shape or form in the future, I would hope it would work out for both parties, personally.

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37 minutes ago, vince said:

I remember Claus's playing days quite fondly and was aware of his tendency to prop up a bar, but he gave his all on the pitch.  I follow him on twitter and he comes across as having the club at the centre of his heart still, always happy and positive with whatever is going on with the club.   I wish him well and hope he continues to defeat his demons.  If he did come back to the club in some shape or form in the future, I would hope it would work out for both parties, personally.

Met him a few times, very nice bloke. Hopefully, he has overcome his problems (seems to have)

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7 hours ago, Noodles34 said:

My description of him being a tool is not based on his ‘problems’.

it’s just based on him full stop when he was with us. Just my take on him for various reasons. 
 

as for his after football problems, we’ll at least he could afford a regular cocaine  habit eh, 

Its good that he is helping others now, kudos for that but in my opinion he was a right knobhead when he played for us, before his ‘problems’. 

You obviously never met him he was a genuinely nice guy before and after his issues 

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21 hours ago, Noodles34 said:

My description of him being a tool is not based on his ‘problems’.

it’s just based on him full stop when he was with us. Just my take on him for various reasons. 
 

as for his after football problems, we’ll at least he could afford a regular cocaine  habit eh, 

Its good that he is helping others now, kudos for that but in my opinion he was a right knobhead when he played for us, before his ‘problems’. 

Rather than justify your ignorant remark you have compounded it 

 

.... and 'tool' is hardly erudite - in fact, literally they are at least useful. 'Noodles' also has a non-literal meaning!

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7 hours ago, Bolokov said:

Glad he managed to get help and has a purpose now. 

Disgusted at some of the comments from other people on this thread. Some real scummy turds on here these days.

So people have to agree with your point of view. 
I mean the word tool, it’s hardly majorly offensive is it? 
but you use ‘Scummy turds’, can you see the irony of your post? 
seriously, people like you who can’t handle someone’s else’s opinion need to jog on if you can’t handle it. 
I’m allowed to not like him and be reasonably polite in calling him a tool, I mean you clearly think it was fine when he was arrested for driving over the drink limit while off his nuts in coke? That’s okay then, if he hits a kid that’s okay cause he played for Southampton FC? 
he crashed his car FFS

and then shortly after he assaulted a woman, his missus I think, but ‘Our Claus, in the middle of our defence’ , he’s a fucking hero,

Seriously, do me a favour,

he’s a tool and I’m glad he is recovering and helping others, but for what he did, he’s a tool, but you think that’s okay and ima scummy turd for pointing that out. 
You couldn’t make it up

 

 

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Very sad to hear he had such struggles, I think football fans can sometimes forget footballers are also people doing a job, a great job in the eyes of many of us but still subject to the ups and downs of life and the same demons an flaws that could plague any of us. Think many think they have this great job with all this money how can they get depressions etc. so good to see this sort of stuff is talked about more and great to see he is back in a good place. It's especially good to see he has repaired his relationship with his children and ex-wife. 

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On 11/12/2020 at 05:43, Noodles34 said:

The bloke is a tool 

Such a caring response to one of our own players who hit bad times. I hope nobody you know ever suffers from addiction and mental health problems because they won't get much support from you. If you can't say anything nice, shut up.

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3 hours ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

Such a caring response to one of our own players who hit bad times. I hope nobody you know ever suffers from addiction and mental health problems because they won't get much support from you. If you can't say anything nice, shut up.

It’s forum, so you don’t have to say nice things. 
here’s something nice, “it’s good to know that he didn’t kill anyone on his drug and drink fuelled drive up the M3 and no doubt many more times “ 

so that’s nice for those who survived. 

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I've previously been critical of Claus, but this article has helped put things into perspective and I now have reasonable sympathy for him.  Yes, he's acted like a tool at times, but this is more the product of his illness rather than a reflection of who he really is.

I used to have a footballer living opposite me, he wasn't a household name but played the majority of his career in the EFL.  He and his family were so unhinged and you could see how the lifestyle (not to mention life's other challenges) had impacted them and how he was struggling to come to terms with the fact his career was coming to an end.  A very messy sight and I was both infuriated and sympathetic to them in equal measure as they just weren't able to cope with things mentally.

Being a footballer is no doubt a brilliant career, but there are so many ways to fall of the rails from what I've seen,

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