Brighton 1-2 Saints - Reaction

[obelisk]

The foul deserved to be punished with a penalty. In fact I'll say it denied a clear goal scoring chance - should be a red card. 😉

[Toadhall Saint]

Thought the ref was shite and that’s before the var shout.

[Shroppie]

Carragher really bad. Suggesting the ref lacked experience. I think the first contact was on the line anyway and it followed through into the box. Clear pen

[Pamplemousse]

Lol love it, another jammy win against Brighton

 

Forgot why I dislike them so much. Poyet may not be there any more, but their players and fans are still some of the biggest whiners and moaners in English football.

[woodsaint1]

Ugly win, but thats the sign of title winning teams

[Jimmy_D]

Ings sounds like he's had more media training than the pundits  

[Pamplemousse]

1 minute ago, Shroppie said:

Carragher really bad. Suggesting the ref lacked experience. I think the first contact was on the line anyway and it followed through into the box. Clear pen

Yup, not too sure why there is so much controversy. It was tight, but foul continued in the box. As someone said on Twitter, it's simply a matter of geography.

[Wes Tender]

A dour workmanlike performance all round. Brighton are a good team defensively and solid, but lack the goal scorer up top. Perhaps we were lucky to have got the penalty, but had it not been given, Ward-Prowse could have advanced his credentials by making it three in a row. Hasenhuttl  made the right substitutions and tactical changes at half time and we looked better for it, winning the fifty fifty balls more often and improving our forward momentum, with Ings increasing the threat in the box and generally putting himself about well. We had a good spell for the last twenty minutes and after the penalty goal, we passed the ball around well denying Brighton possession apart from the odd slip up giving them the ball, but they didn't use it well mostly. 5th in the league after eleven games and no team having opened up a large gap at the top is an incredible achievement. And we broke the Monday night jinx too.

[bpsaint]

Won’t go as far to say I feel sorry for Brighton but that must be hard to take and I’d be fuming if that decision went against us. 

3 perhaps underserved points tonight makes last weeks result a bit easier to take when we deserved at least 1 and got 0.

 

[Nordic Saint]

1 minute ago, NewYorkSaint said:

It's really exciting when a player who's seen mixed starts to turn into a superstar.  Thought Vestergaard was so strong today. That header. Wow. That's going to put a shudder through a lot of defenses.  It wasn't that long ago that default opinion on here was 'tall good-hearted guy, but clumsy, can't jump."  Today he showed not just a sensational goal, but some great passing and pretty much rock solid at the back.  Him, Romeu, JWP and Adams (and maybe McCarthy and Walker-Peters too) have really been the story of the season.  Our own loyal boys just getting better, step by step.

I have been one of Vestergaard's harshest critics but his passing tonight was superb. I like the way that, unlike some of our other defensive players, he always looks to pass the ball forwards and set up an attack. He will still struggle against the fastest forwards from the top teams, like Son and Vardy, but against most teams, he has become a solid defender. The best central defenders also score headed goals from corners and he certainly does that.

[warsash saint]

1 minute ago, Jimmy_D said:

Ings sounds like he's had more media training than the pundits  

What a shite interviewer!

[Suhari]

1 minute ago, Shroppie said:

Carragher really bad. Suggesting the ref lacked experience. I think the first contact was on the line anyway and it followed through into the box. Clear pen

Shit analysis: the ref lacks experience. But the pen awarded by VAR guy (doing his job), independent of the ref. Because the ref lacks experience.

[Charlie Wayman]

That'll do very nicely thank you. Good defensive work but attack lacked any real threat. Overall a lacklustre display. Romeu MotM for me.

[woodsaint1]

Remember when people called Vestergaard our worst CB signing in recent years, even rating Hoedt better than him. Has been excellent this season. What a header

[Sheaf Saint]

Christ they are labouring the point about that penalty decision on Sky aren't they!

[Saint_Jonny]

Not the best performance but I still enjoyed the game. Tactical battle. Love the pen drama ☺️ (it was never a pen! 😂)

Edited 7 December, 2020 by Saint_Jonny

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, bpsaint said:

Won’t go as far to say I feel sorry for Brighton but that must be hard to take and I’d be fuming if that decision went against us. 

3 perhaps underserved points tonight makes last weeks result a bit easier to take when we deserved at least 1 and got 0.

 

It’s borderline but I can’t say I’d be fuming. I’d be fuming if JWP’s handball wasn’t given against us, that’s for sure.

[trousers]

Potter being very pragmatic about the penalty in his post match interview. (Well, on camera anyway). Fair play to him 

[The Cat]

Improved second half although that was coming from the very low bar we set in the first. 

Vestergaard another solid performance, thought Romeu was good too. Bringing Ings on obviously helped because we had more up threat up front. 

Not sure on the penalty, I'd have been pissed off if it was given against us. 

[sydney_saint]

3 minutes ago, Wes Tender said:

A dour workmanlike performance all round. Brighton are a good team defensively and solid, but lack the goal scorer up top. Perhaps we were lucky to have got the penalty, but had it not been given, Ward-Prowse could have advanced his credentials by making it three in a row. Hasenhuttl  made the right substitutions and tactical changes at half time and we looked better for it, winning the fifty fifty balls more often and improving our forward momentum, with Ings increasing the threat in the box and generally putting himself about well. We had a good spell for the last twenty minutes and after the penalty goal, we passed the ball around well denying Brighton possession apart from the odd slip up giving them the ball, but they didn't use it well mostly. 5th in the league after eleven games and no team having opened up a large gap at the top is an incredible achievement. And we broke the Monday night jinx too.

Think he's sitting on 3 in a row. Would have been 4 which is just ridiculous. 

[Wade Garrett]

Classy from Graham Potter

[Nordic Saint]

1 minute ago, bpsaint said:

Won’t go as far to say I feel sorry for Brighton but that must be hard to take and I’d be fuming if that decision went against us. 

3 perhaps underserved points tonight makes last weeks result a bit easier to take when we deserved at least 1 and got 0.

 

The foul took place when Walker-Peters was in the air but he was over the line so VAR was right. We deserved those 3 points as we went there to win and played better than Brighton. I don't feel in the least bit sorry for Brighton. They didn't deserve anything.

[jawillwill]

Most ridiculous penalty decision I've seen since Rickie was fouled about a mile outside the penalty area v Brighton in the promotion season 😅

[trousers]

Just shut the f**k up Carragher you tart

[rallyboy]

Some commentators are still working on the laws of the game from 1973.

Contact started outside the box, continued into the box. Penalty. The end.

 

[Lighthouse]

Just now, jawillwill said:

Most ridiculous penalty decision I've seen since Rickie was fouled about a mile outside the penalty area v Brighton in the promotion season 😅

Was Fonte wasn’t it? I was baffled by that at the time, thought there must have been some off the ball incident in the box I hadn’t seen.

[obelisk]

Potter mans up and takes it on the chin. Sky Sports labouring the penalty to the point of distraction.

[Sheaf Saint]

I disagree with those saying JWP would have scored if it was given as a FK, not from that position on the right. If it was on the left, maybe. But there's a very good chance he would have put it straight on the head of Ings or JV to bury it instead.

[Wes Tender]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WI9lJchSp4

[Pierre]

14 minutes ago, sydney_saint said:

 Let's be honest, there wasn't 'that' much danger when KWP was brought down. We essentially got a goal from a 50/50 call from a chance that was probably only likely to be 20% of scoring. 

 

 

I think there was a lot less danger with the Brighton penalty, and that definately was not intentional.

March on the other hand, purposely brought KWP down because he had misjudged the Vest pass. He tried to do it just outside the box but was late. I see no great injustice in the penalty

[saintwbu]

Vestergaard was absolutely awesome

[The Cat]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Was Fonte wasn’t it? I was baffled by that at the time, thought there must have been some off the ball incident in the box I hadn’t seen.

Yes it was Fonte. That was the most ridiculous decision. Poor Brighton!

[Pamplemousse]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Was Fonte wasn’t it? I was baffled by that at the time, thought there must have been some off the ball incident in the box I hadn’t seen.

One of my favourite games of all time that.

 

Peter Walton was the referee, one of the worst refereeing performances of all time.

 

Taricco ended up getting sent off, and after being denied a number of stone wall penalties, Lambert got given one that was a dive.

[Sheaf Saint]

Oh Jesus. I've just seen that Paddy Power advert with Le Tiss & co.

I can never un-see that! 😬

[John Boy Saint]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

Was Fonte wasn’t it? I was baffled by that at the time, thought there must have been some off the ball incident in the box I hadn’t seen.

Deffo Fonte about 4 foot outside the box infront of the Lino - Ref Peter Walton (yup him off BT Sport) pointed to the spot without hesitation - my mate and me up behind the goal just looked at each other in disbelief Fonte just shrugged his shoulders. 

[trousers]

[bpsaint]

9 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

The foul took place when Walker-Peters was in the air but he was over the line so VAR was right. We deserved those 3 points as we went there to win and played better than Brighton. I don't feel in the least bit sorry for Brighton. They didn't deserve anything.

The argument is though that KWP was nudged outside the box which technically is the first foul, and then him getting taken out in the box is the second foul, hence the controversy - did VAR decide the ref was wrong to award a foul for the first nudge and then decide it was a pen for KWP getting taken out?

The fact that it is being talked about so much, and over analysed is everything that’s wrong with VAR - it’s not correcting clear and obvious errors, it’s making decisions entirely.

Edit: Also Vest was outstanding tonight, glad we’ve seen the turnaround ourselves and not seen it with him wearing a Leicester shirt as with Hoj at Spurs. 

Halfway to safety after just 11 games, beautiful!

Edited 7 December, 2020 by bpsaint

[whelk]

5 minutes ago, obelisk said:

Potter mans up and takes it on the chin. Sky Sports labouring the penalty to the point of distraction.

Yeah so pathetic their line of questioning wanting hysterical reaction and then bemoaning we are always talking about VAR. Potter is a gent

[trousers]

Ralph: "ours was definitely a penalty but I don't know about the one against Prowsey as I haven't seen it"

Wenger would be proud of your selective eyesight Ralph

Edited 7 December, 2020 by trousers

[whelk]

Liked Ings response too. “I don’t know what you want me to say?”

[Dan Johnson]

Great result.

The 3 pts are all that matter.

Brighton set out to be hard to break down and hit on the counter with speed, they managed to neutralise our full backs for the majority of the game and almost capitalised a few times by playing out quick, they really lack creativity when not on the break though. 
 

When teams set out to be hard to break down, it makes it a difficult watch and you end up relying on set pieces which is what happened tonight. They limited us to two good opportunities from open play I can remember, Walcotts good effort and Redmonds effort he should have done better with.

I thought they also coped with the high press pretty well.

Dubious (ridiculous) decision for our penalty, I’d have been fuming if that was given against us, I’ll joyfully accept it when it’s for us though 😂 it felt like one of those games were a mistake or VAR intervention would have a big impact.

Djenepo had an odd game, looked the most likely to create something in the first half while simultaneously flattering to deceive and looking like he could easily have been sent off! 

MOTM picks himself, Big Vesty! Literally head and shoulders above everyone tonight.

Thought Romeu was exceptional too.

 

 

 

[beatlesaint]

Was Carragher this bad last season when Liverpool got every VAR decision going? 
Thought not 🤣

And that interview with Ings was terrible, I’m glad Danny looked up and said “I don’t really know what you want me to say”

[Wes Tender]

Looking back at the highlights on J W-P's handball, was it the case that he thought that Welbeck had hand-balled it and raised his arm to appeal? Otherwise it looks a really unnatural positioning of his arm unless it was deliberate, but he must know with VAR that he couldn't get away with that.

[trousers]

Just now, Wes Tender said:

Looking back at the highlights on J W-P's handball, was it the case that he thought that Welbeck had hand-balled it and raised his arm to appeal? Otherwise it looks a really unnatural positioning of his arm unless it was deliberate, but he must know with VAR that he couldn't get away with that.

Was him appealing for a handball appeal I think 

[Saint Pete]

Never ever a penalty that and everything that is wrong about VAR currently, interfering in decisions that it doesn’t need to, where the only clear and obvious thing is that there is no clear and obvious error by the ref! Maybe VAR should make a rule that if they need to review a decision for over a minute, they stay with the refs original decision as it can’t be a clear error if you have to watch it that many times?

Having said that, I will take the win and 5th place in the table 😀 Particularly in a game where we really never got going. Very poor in the first half, aside from a superb header from Vestergaard just before half time which is always a great time to score. Our defending worried me all game but nothing unusual in that, apart from the defending from set pieces which was especially atrocious. Not sure who’s idea that high line from free kicks was but it needs a rethink for the next game. From open play, Vestergaard did play well though today, so fair play to him.

We were a bit better in second half and the quality and work rate of Ings clearly helped us. Noticeable that others like Armstrong came into the game more once they had Ings buzzing around them. Now that Ings is back, would expect Djenepo to drop out to the bench and Theo to drop back out wide, although I would consider bringing Redmond back in for Theo as well if he is fully fit again.

 

[saintwbu]

Their pitch was absolutely terrible by the way, all our players looked off balance and finding it hard to twist and turn, I really don’t think that helped. Armstrong and Djenepo both like to twist in and out and looked hampered by it. 

[Wes Tender]

2 minutes ago, trousers said:

Was him appealing for a handball appeal I think 

I' m pleased if it was, in preference to a deliberate Maradona. But next time, he will keep his arms down and appeal after the threat has passed, or acknowledge that if Brighton had scored, the run up to the goal would be checked by VAR.

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

27 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Won’t go as far to say I feel sorry for Brighton but that must be hard to take and I’d be fuming if that decision went against us. 

3 perhaps underserved points tonight makes last weeks result a bit easier to take when we deserved at least 1 and got 0.

 

Exactly. VAR the talking point once again. It's ruining the game. Football matches should not be decided in that way. Very harsh. 

[Lighthouse]

Reminded me a lot of Stephens in injury time up at Burnley a couple of years ago. Instinctive reaction but daft really with the ball up in the air.

[Sheaf Saint]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Reminded me a lot of Stephens in injury time up at Burnley a couple of years ago. Instinctive reaction but daft really with the ball up in the air.

In fairness to Jack, the replay clearly showed Crouch had hold of his shirt, but he was still a silly boy to put his hand up with the ball coming towards it. Especially as there was no VAR for that season.