Things That are Racist

[hypochondriac]

44 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

That's a bit harsh!  Four of them are women!

Yes but we know who are really making the decisions

[AlexLaw76]

20 hours ago, Turkish said:

The problem for a lot of people who always want to appear to be on the right side of the argument is that, pardon the pun, it’s not black and white. The Cavani case is a classic example. On the face of it in English, it could be seen as racist, indeed if that tweet had been from an English player then he should rightly be banned and vilified. But it came from a non native English speaker, new to this country where in his culture it’s a perfectly innocent comment. 
 

so does that mean that the “gammons” were right and they should learn the lingo and our culture? That appears to be what is being implied here. Of course, they wont admit that so it’s now a really difficult position to be in. How can you criticise a foreign national for not knowing something acceptable in their culture isn’t acceptable in English culture yet still demand multi culturalism? 
If you believe in multi culturalism and acceptance you have to also accept that some cultures view things differently to ours, how ever much they won’t like it whilst also being quick to point out racism every chance you get. It’s a difficult tightrope to walk, no wonder they’re so angry all the time. 

Reading Wadesmith's comment again.  The only person on this thread coming across as racist is him/her/they/them!

Basically, a 'foreigner' coming over here and not immediately learning our language/current culture war, should be made to shut up and be "banned" from carrying out their employment.

Almost like BNP by stealth. 

[wadesmith]

23 hours ago, Turkish said:

The problem for a lot of people who always want to appear to be on the right side of the argument is that, pardon the pun, it’s not black and white. The Cavani case is a classic example. On the face of it in English, it could be seen as racist, indeed if that tweet had been from an English player then he should rightly be banned and vilified. But it came from a non native English speaker, new to this country where in his culture it’s a perfectly innocent comment. 
 

so does that mean that the “gammons” were right and they should learn the lingo and our culture? That appears to be what is being implied here. Of course, they wont admit that so it’s now a really difficult position to be in. How can you criticise a foreign national for not knowing something acceptable in their culture isn’t acceptable in English culture yet still demand multi culturalism? 
If you believe in multi culturalism and acceptance you have to also accept that some cultures view things differently to ours, how ever much they won’t like it whilst also being quick to point out racism every chance you get. It’s a difficult tightrope to walk, no wonder they’re so angry all the time. 

Exactly correct Sir . It’s like the Burkha argument ‘Ooh I don’t want people wearing Burkhas..you don’t know what they’re getting up to behind there?’ As you say if we are going to celebrate multi-cultural site we have to accept other cultures view things differently to us. Wear your Burkha..and let’s celebrate being the greatest most accepting nation in the world! Finally someone talks some sense on here!

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, wadesmith said:

Exactly correct Sir . It’s like the Burkha argument ‘Ooh I don’t want people wearing Burkhas..you don’t know what they’re getting up to behind there?’ As you say if we are going to celebrate multi-cultural site we have to accept other cultures view things differently to us. Wear your Burkha..and let’s celebrate being the greatest most accepting nation in the world! Finally someone talks some sense on here!

Completely agree! If you are pro the burkha then how can you criticise a non native English speaker for using a word that is innocent in his own language? Either we want multi culturalism or we don’t. 

[wadesmith]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Completely agree! If you are pro the burkha then how can you criticise a non native English speaker for using a word that is innocent in his own language? Either we want multi culturalism or we don’t. 

Are you pro-Burkha?

[Turkish]

41 minutes ago, wadesmith said:

Are you pro-Burkha?

Neither pro nor anti, it doesn’t bother me. Far more important things to think about than that. Presume you’re anti given that you wanted Cavani banned?

Edited 2 January, 2021 by Turkish

[wadesmith]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Neither pro nor anti, it doesn’t bother me. Far more important things to think about than that. Presume you’re anti given that you wanted Cavani banned?

I'm no longer pro or anti Cavani getting banned.Far more important things to think about than that. I think that’s the answer you use when your copping out isn’t it Turkish?

Edited 2 January, 2021 by wadesmith

[Turkish]

35 minutes ago, wadesmith said:

I'm no longer pro or anti Cavani getting banned.Far more important things to think about than that. I think that’s the answer you use when your copping out isn’t it Turkish?

It’s not a cop out, I’m not against the burkha, but I’m not for it ether, if people want to wear one then that’s their choice and it has no impact on my life whatsoever, i certainly don’t spend my life worrying about what they’re doing under them. I thought that would be quite obvious from my reply. You see Wade, not everything is black and white. So What about you?

Edited 2 January, 2021 by Turkish

[Turkish]

The film Grease 🙈

 

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/calls-to-ban-grease-over-claims-of-sexism-racism-and-homophobia/news-story/e2609b3e5f37febee110ee684f6809d3

[Lord Duckhunter]

47 minutes ago, Turkish said:

The film Grease 🙈

 

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/calls-to-ban-grease-over-claims-of-sexism-racism-and-homophobia/news-story/e2609b3e5f37febee110ee684f6809d3

Thats the thin edge of the wedge, it’s horrendous film as this critic shows .I think it may have been Soggy reviewing it. 

AS I have told people a hundred thousand times, I have no time for hyperbole.

And yet recently I stumbled across what must surely be the most sexist, racist, regressive, reprehensible and downright offensive movie ever made.

It all began as I was dressing up as Danny Zuko for a morning TV re-enactment of the hit musical Grease, because that’s what real journalists do.

As part of my exhaustive research for this role, I had stayed up the previous night to watch the movie for the 57th time and came to a very shocking and sickening realisation.

Almost every scene, song, word and deed in the film would today result in a jail term, a law suit, a summary dismissal or, at the very least, a sternly worded change.org petition.

Then in opening scene with Danny and Sandy frolicking on the beach we already have an assault in which he throws sand at her not once but twice — both times despite her clear objection. It is also a clear violation of the council by-laws for beach users.

(In case you think I am joking, in Los Angeles where Grease was filmed it is genuinely against council laws to dig into a sand embankment or “disturb any rock”. It is also illegal to produce any “boisterous or unusual noise”, so it’s lucky that Sandy didn’t let Danny go all the way.)

Then when school goes back and the star-crossed couple meet again, Danny is dismissive of Sandy in an attempt to look cool in front of his friends, which is a clear act of micro-aggression.

In response, a confused and angry Sandy tells him he is not the Danny she used to know and she doesn’t like what he’s become. This is another micro-aggression known as “dead-naming”.

And all this comes after a lengthy power ballad in which Danny’s friends urge him to share details about their sexual encounters — which is basically pre-internet revenge porn — or get her to hook them up with her friends, which is basically unpaid prostitution. They even ask if she “put up a fight”, which is actually genuinely worrying.

Meanwhile Sandy’s friends want to know if he has a car, which suggests that at least the prostitution might be paid for in kind. More likely it is the corrosive social corruption of capitalist materialism.

As the movie progresses things get even less progressive. In science class, a male student puts a live mouse in a female student’s handbag, which is a unique combination of both sexual harassment and animal abuse. 

Meanwhile, Rizzo is teased about her sexual history, which is a textbook example of slut-shaming 

To complicate matters, Rizzo then virgin-shames Sandra Dee — and, most cruelly of all, does so entirely in song.

Meanwhile the boys are frantically using their shop class to build a car solely for the purpose of making a woman climax, which is both sexist and inefficient. 
 

And let’s not get started on Beauty School Dropout, which is an entire ballad of mansplaining delivered to a girl called Frenchy, whose name is slang for either a kiss or a condom.

The movie’s climactic dance scene is supposedly all about the hand jive but in fact more suited to hand sanitiser. It is a frenzy of groping, girl-tossing and upskirting that would put most modern football teams to shame, culminating in a scene where the sleazy host clearly tries to use his dominant power position to coerce a vulnerable young woman into “trying out” for him.

And at the very core of the motion picture, Sandy and Danny’s whole relationship is infused by sexual violence. Not only is there the sand-throwing incident but he tries to go the grope at a drive-in, which is technically sexual assault, and she slams the door on his erect penis, which is technically very painful.

Then, in the final scene of all comes the ultimate sociopolitical atrocity. Danny has just traded in his leather jacket to become a varsity jock — the perfect combination of class elitism and toxic masculinity — when Sandy reappears with a Camel cigarette, a camel toe and a sudden desire to horse around.

And so, with a wop-bop-a-loo-bop-a-lop-bam-boo — which is a cultural appropriation of the Italians, the Chinese and Little Richard — everybody lives happily ever after. The moral of the story is that all you have to do to solve life’s problems is take up smoking, dress like a hooker and put out.

So there you have it: The most sexist, racist, homophobic, homoerotic, slut-shaming, virgin-shaming, disempowering and discriminatory movie ever made. 

 

 

 

 

[Manuel]

This is another micro-aggression known as “dead-naming”.

Giving something a new name doesn't make it new or any more important than it was.

Kind of related, I was talking to an elderly fella last night who was born with right side arm and leg paralysis.  One thing he mentioned was, due his paralysis, that he used to be known as a spastic.  He chatted in good spirits that years ago the "able bodied" people took that name away from him and people like him and for a while he would joke with other disabled friends "what are we calling ourselves these days?"  

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, Manuel said:

This is another micro-aggression known as “dead-naming”.

Giving something a new name doesn't make it new or any more important than it was.

Kind of related, I was talking to an elderly fella last night who was born with right side arm and leg paralysis.  One thing he mentioned was, due his paralysis, that he used to be known as a spastic.  He chatted in good spirits that years ago the "able bodied" people took that name away from him and people like him and for a while he would joke with other disabled friends "what are we calling ourselves these days?"  

I was chatting to a bloke with no Arms or legs at the bus stop the other day, I said to him “how are you getting on?” 

[Manuel]

Should have asked if he needed a hand

[benjii]

You know that review you quoted is a joke, right? Just some armless fun.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, benjii said:

You know that review you quoted is a joke, right? Just some armless fun.

No arm intended pal.

[Lord Duckhunter]

24 minutes ago, Manuel said:

This is another micro-aggression known as “dead-naming”.

Giving something a new name doesn't make it new or any more important than it was.

Kind of related, I was talking to an elderly fella last night who was born with right side arm and leg paralysis.  One thing he mentioned was, due his paralysis, that he used to be known as a spastic.  He chatted in good spirits that years ago the "able bodied" people took that name away from him and people like him and for a while he would joke with other disabled friends "what are we calling ourselves these days?"  

Ian Dury  wrote  “Spasticus Autisticus“ as a protest against the International year of the disabled, which he felt was patronising. Needless to say the BBC totally missed the point and banned the song. He also wanted to tour as “Spastic and the Autistics", but was talked out of it. 

[Manuel]

25 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Ian Dury  wrote  “Spasticus Autisticus“ as a protest against the International year of the disabled, which he felt was patronising. Needless to say the BBC totally missed the point and banned the song. He also wanted to tour as “Spastic and the Autistics", but was talked out of it. 

That is hilarious.  Absurd that the BBC and others think they know better than him on the subject.  

[whelk]

46 minutes ago, Manuel said:

That is hilarious.  Absurd that the BBC and others think they know better than him on the subject.  

And in no way was he a controversial dickhead eh?

watching Saintsweb trying to get to grips with nuance of language is truly amusing.

 

[Manuel]

In fairness the language used came from the mouth of the disabled chap that I spoke to and Dury himself. 

[whelk]

Just now, Manuel said:

In fairness the language used came from the mouth of the disabled chap that I spoke to and Dury himself. 

I can find you an LA rapper that says the N word regularly. How dare anyone think they know better than him?

There was thread a while back here with everyone getting exited about mong. Most civilised people woudl never use the term and even Gervais accepted that was offensive in the end. But hey Saintswebbers would defend it to the end.

 

[Manuel]

Well yes, I wouldn't think to know better than the rapper on the subject and accept that, at least for now, he is entitled to use a word that I am not.  The n-word takes the matter to the extreme of course.  In the same way I wouldn't have dreamed of saying "the S-word" except to quote what he said because the point he made was interesting.  I'm sure you'd agree he's entitled to use that word, considering his history.  

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, whelk said:

I can find you an LA rapper that says the N word regularly. How dare anyone think they know better than him?

There was thread a while back here with everyone getting exited about mong. Most civilised people woudl never use the term and even Gervais accepted that was offensive in the end. But hey Saintswebbers would defend it to the end.

 

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mong
 

 

[whelk]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mong
 

 

Yeah when using it in front of a mum with a Downs Syndrome child be sure to follow up with your little note scribbled down from your Collins dictionary. You are more like MLG than you think.

Edited 3 January, 2021 by whelk

[Turkish]

19 minutes ago, whelk said:

Yeah when using it in front of a mum with a Downs Syndrome child be sure to follow up with your little note scribbled down from your Collins dictionary. You are more like MLG than you think.

It’s about context, clearly no one would call a Down’s syndrome child a mong,  but if you call a Non Down’s syndrome person a mong it’s obviously referring them being a stupid person as per the definition. As usual it’s not black and white and jumping up and down screaming it’s offensive doesn’t always mean it is. Really not sure how point that out makes me like MLG whose world is black and white 

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It’s about context, clearly no one would call a Down’s syndrome child a mong,  but if you call a Non Down’s syndrome person a mong it’s obviously referring them being a stupid person as per the definition. As usual it’s not black and white and jumping up and down screaming it’s offensive doesn’t always mean it is. Really not sure how point that out makes me like MLG whose world is black and white 

The pedantry of using a dictionary definition to make the argument. 
That’s the issue with language saying not being applied as mocking and clearly don’t think Gervais was ever wanting to offend. I could and probably did call someone a spastic who clearly wasn’t. That doesn’t forgive me and give me right to use it offensively.

I couldn’t find a link but remember he had a conversation with a mum who was in tears about it. Gave him a different perspective 

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a373616/ricky-gervais-on-mong-scandal-i-never-meant-to-insult-anyone/

[Turkish]

40 minutes ago, whelk said:

Yeah when using it in front of a mum with a Downs Syndrome child be sure to follow up with your little note scribbled down from your Collins dictionary. You are more like MLG than you think.

Duplicate 

Edited 3 January, 2021 by Turkish

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, whelk said:

The pedantry of using a dictionary definition to make the argument. 
That’s the issue with language saying not being applied as mocking and clearly don’t think Gervais was ever wanting to offend. I could and probably did call someone a spastic who clearly wasn’t. That doesn’t forgive me and give me right to use it offensively.

I couldn’t find a link but remember he had a conversation with a mum who was in tears about it. Gave him a different perspective 

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a373616/ricky-gervais-on-mong-scandal-i-never-meant-to-insult-anyone/

Sorry if using evidence to back up my point upsets you. If I’d just said it meant foolish person without explanation no doubt you’d tell me educate myself 🙄

Edited 3 January, 2021 by Turkish

[whelk]

40 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Sorry if using evidence to back up my point upsets you. If I’d just said it meant foolish person without explanation no doubt you’d tell me educate myself 🙄

Not upset and your take on it was quite predictable

[Matthew Le God]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

You are more like MLG than you think.

Don't bring me into this thread! 😁

Edited 3 January, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Turkish]

If it’s racist to call COVID the Chinese disease why aren’t people getting themselves at it about the South African variant?

[badgerx16]

On 03/01/2021 at 21:39, Matthew Le God said:

Don't bring me into this thread! 😁

[Matthew Le God]

13 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

That statue shows Jesus as white! 🙄

IF he existed he'd look more like this...

[whelk]

Odd you picture someone you don’t believe in. Baby steps I guess.

[Lighthouse]

 

[miserableoldgit]

Some common sense at last? https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/nottingham-forest-striker-lyle-taylors-4876169?fbclid=IwAR0EOs0tANcuYnRE7F3IyQVWQ26nH5YW6Btt07cm4mk3P_3OhgF3p68U9zo

Edited 11 January, 2021 by miserableoldgit

[Turkish]

On 11/01/2021 at 18:21, miserableoldgit said:

Some common sense at last? https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/nottingham-forest-striker-lyle-taylors-4876169?fbclid=IwAR0EOs0tANcuYnRE7F3IyQVWQ26nH5YW6Btt07cm4mk3P_3OhgF3p68U9zo

But people on here have told us it’s nothing to do with the political organisation 🤷🏽‍♂️

[Chez]

On 18/12/2020 at 21:45, rallyboy said:

Anything that makes stadiums less of a safe haven for racists and makes them get all angry is definitely time well spent.

And everyone sensible who can see the need for the message perfectly understand the differences between similarly-named campaigns, can grasp the bigger picture about football, and as a result of being informed are pretty chilled about the whole thing.

Racists like to make mischief to distract from the facts - but life is too short to get angry about nowt.

😊

Agree fully with his post. Anything that annoys racists is fine by me. If it means they don't come to games, fine by me.  If you don't like it - tough fucking luck. It's the players choice. If they feel it is too closely connected to BLM or is doing nothing for the cause of anti racism, they can stop at any time. They don't need to explain themselves, but it wouldn't be terribly hard to do so.

Personally, I see taking the knee as nothing to do with the BLM organisation and everything to do with the message `black lives matter' and trying to draw attention to racism that still exists in our society. I do not know if this action works any better than the `kick racism out' t-shirts, but I am more than happy to see our club trying a different method. 

[Chez]

On 18/12/2020 at 21:51, Lighthouse said:

As for the need for the message, how effective do you think a 'no to fights outside pubs' T-shirt campaign would be? Or a 'lets end murder' billboard campaign? Or putting 'no more nonces' leaflets through every letterbox?

Fair point. If you saw that person in the street wearing said t-shirt, would it annoy you?

[Lighthouse]

59 minutes ago, Chez said:

Fair point. If you saw that person in the street wearing said t-shirt, would it annoy you?

It wouldn’t annoy me, although I’d find it a bit bizarre as a concept. Imagine you went to a pub every Friday with your mates and one of them, every week when he walked in, would say "hey, did I tell you guys about the time I met Todd Carty in Morrison’s?" That’s basically how I react to the kneeling.

[whelk]

I think Viz should start selling ‘no more nonces’ T-shirts

[Chez]

15 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It wouldn’t annoy me, although I’d find it a bit bizarre as a concept. Imagine you went to a pub every Friday with your mates and one of them, every week when he walked in, would say "hey, did I tell you guys about the time I met Todd Carty in Morrison’s?" That’s basically how I react to the kneeling.

 

What if thousands of people all wore the same `don't fight in pubs' t-shirt to the pub every week, it got media attention as to the fact that it was a major issue and ignoring it was no longer good enough, and that media attention was retained by the continued and repeated act, which perhaps helped get other stuff implemented that contributed towards less fighting in pubs, would the wearing of the t-shirt seem a less bizarre concept?

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

I think Viz should start selling ‘no more nonces’ T-shirts

Great warning t-shirts here

[Dorchester Saint]

On 11/01/2021 at 18:21, miserableoldgit said:

Some common sense at last? https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/nottingham-forest-striker-lyle-taylors-4876169?fbclid=IwAR0EOs0tANcuYnRE7F3IyQVWQ26nH5YW6Btt07cm4mk3P_3OhgF3p68U9zo

What a refreshing view from an intelligent young man, very well said. Common sense always prevails in the end. 

[Dorchester Saint]

2 hours ago, Chez said:

Agree fully with his post. Anything that annoys racists is fine by me. If it means they don't come to games, fine by me.  If you don't like it - tough fucking luck. It's the players choice. If they feel it is too closely connected to BLM or is doing nothing for the cause of anti racism, they can stop at any time. They don't need to explain themselves, but it wouldn't be terribly hard to do so.

Personally, I see taking the knee as nothing to do with the BLM organisation and everything to do with the message `black lives matter' and trying to draw attention to racism that still exists in our society. I do not know if this action works any better than the `kick racism out' t-shirts, but I am more than happy to see our club trying a different method. 

BLM is an American organisation set up in the wake of American problems, we don’t have the same problems here, our police don’t routinely murder black people. The lunatic leftists hijacked it in the country as a club to hit the establishment with, they made a load of noise, but as always the intelligent majority of Brits saw through the nonsense and now it’s dying a death. BLM is divisive and is driving race relations backwards in the USA.....we’re a bit smarter than that here. 

[Dorchester Saint]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

 

What if thousands of people all wore the same `don't fight in pubs' t-shirt to the pub every week, it got media attention as to the fact that it was a major issue and ignoring it was no longer good enough, and that media attention was retained by the continued and repeated act, which perhaps helped get other stuff implemented that contributed towards less fighting in pubs, would the wearing of the t-shirt seem a less bizarre concept?

The notion that the U.K. is inherently racist is a ridiculous one, we are one of the most tolerant and accepting nations in the world, if you disagree then I suggest you haven’t travelled much. If anything, our police forces  are far too soft when it comes to dealing with gang culture in our major cities, because they’re too fearful of being labelled racist....and so the stabbings continue. 

[Lighthouse]

16 minutes ago, Chez said:

 

What if thousands of people all wore the same `don't fight in pubs' t-shirt to the pub every week, it got media attention as to the fact that it was a major issue and ignoring it was no longer good enough, and that media attention was retained by the continued and repeated act, which perhaps helped get other stuff implemented that contributed towards less fighting in pubs, would the wearing of the t-shirt seem a less bizarre concept?

It won’t, that’s the issue. There are two fantasies in play here from people who purport to be liberal:

1. The idea of racists being wound up, which I find as puerile as kicking the kid in front’s chair in primary school. Deriving satisfaction from seeing ‘the other side’ becoming annoyed and triggered is a selfish form of self satisfaction, which is only making the situation worse.
2. The idea that anyone harbouring and exhibiting racist views is simply uninformed and that you are able to change their minds using nothing but your superior intellect and a repertoire of well drilled slogans and gestures. The false belief that some people simply haven’t been told that their views are unpleasant and that with endless repetition we are, "getting the message across." 

 Nothing I’ve seen from any of these protests has done anything to address the main root causes of these issues, which I regard as mainly class based and not race based, in this country at least. All they’ve achieved is a large increase in tribalism amongst society, which in some people then manifests are racism. 

[whelk]

21 minutes ago, Dorchester Saint said:

BLM is an American organisation set up in the wake of American problems, we don’t have the same problems here, our police don’t routinely murder black people. The lunatic leftists hijacked it in the country as a club to hit the establishment with, they made a load of noise, but as always the intelligent majority of Brits saw through the nonsense and now it’s dying a death. BLM is divisive and is driving race relations backwards in the USA.....we’re a bit smarter than that here. 

Oh it’s BLM that is causing the race issues in US? Upsetting the rednecks is it? Your following (more sensible) post implied lack of travel to someone else  but I would say you have very little understanding of US and seem like you’ve swallowed a Daily Mail leader rather than any real experience of life in USA.

[Turkish]

20 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It won’t, that’s the issue. There are two fantasies in play here from people who purport to be liberal:

1. The idea of racists being wound up, which I find as puerile as kicking the kid in front’s chair in primary school. Deriving satisfaction from seeing ‘the other side’ becoming annoyed and triggered is a selfish form of self satisfaction, which is only making the situation worse.
2. The idea that anyone harbouring and exhibiting racist views is simply uninformed and that you are able to change their minds using nothing but your superior intellect and a repertoire of well drilled slogans and gestures. The false belief that some people simply haven’t been told that their views are unpleasant and that with endless repetition we are, "getting the message across." 

 Nothing I’ve seen from any of these protests has done anything to address the main root causes of these issues, which I regard as mainly class based and not race based, in this country at least. All they’ve achieved is a large increase in tribalism amongst society, which in some people then manifests are racism. 

Nods in agreement 

[whelk]

51 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It won’t, that’s the issue. There are two fantasies in play here from people who purport to be liberal:

1. The idea of racists being wound up, which I find as puerile as kicking the kid in front’s chair in primary school. Deriving satisfaction from seeing ‘the other side’ becoming annoyed and triggered is a selfish form of self satisfaction, which is only making the situation worse.
2. The idea that anyone harbouring and exhibiting racist views is simply uninformed and that you are able to change their minds using nothing but your superior intellect and a repertoire of well drilled slogans and gestures. The false belief that some people simply haven’t been told that their views are unpleasant and that with endless repetition we are, "getting the message across." 

 Nothing I’ve seen from any of these protests has done anything to address the main root causes of these issues, which I regard as mainly class based and not race based, in this country at least. All they’ve achieved is a large increase in tribalism amongst society, which in some people then manifests are racism. 

If you were gay and wanted to come out, do you think it is easier now or 30 years ago? Clearly it is now due to generationally eroding of the prejudice views and campaigning against them so they become far less acceptable. That does not mean there aren’t still loads of homophobic people about but kids genuinely appear to not bat an eyelid now whereas my generation very much used it as a term of abuse. That is how things change not reading slogans and having the scales fall from your eyes instantaneously. However the protest movements, lobbying and highlighting are effective in eroding some prejudices that may have deemed acceptable and now far less so - do think US has huge issues and far less so in UK. But I am white and doing ok so woudl not necessarily be aware of what blacks experience in day to day life which is far more subtle than meeting EDL Neanderthals.

I am no fan of taking the knee mind as do think tokenism now but naive to think such things work instantly and get to root cause and if not are ineffective. 

Edited 16 January, 2021 by whelk

[East Kent Saint]

1 hour ago, Dorchester Saint said:

The notion that the U.K. is inherently racist is a ridiculous one, we are one of the most tolerant and accepting nations in the world, if you disagree then I suggest you haven’t travelled much. If anything, our police forces  are far too soft when it comes to dealing with gang culture in our major cities, because they’re too fearful of being labelled racist....and so the stabbings continue. 

Your idea that the UK isn’t racist is still laughable even if you keep repeating it.

Gang violence is such a difficult problem to deal with , it’s not so simple at all as just clamping down on gangs by our , defunded by the Tories , police but a massive social issue. I like most people find the level of violence beyond belief but it still happens. 
we agree that the Prem cocked up by not making their own gesture against racism as Taking the Knee was specific to USA . Standing for the Stars and Stripes before games with hand on heart was what kneeling as a gesture made the point . The point being putting 7 bullets into the back of a black man when he was pulled over for crossing a red light was not what the they thought they should be standing up for.

Edited 16 January, 2021 by East Kent Saint