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Concerns about gambling addiction have been in the news including the extent to which football promotes betting. 
The Saints OS offers an invitation for people struggling with gambling to use a link to the Recoverme.com website.  Seems ironic then, that the club promote gambling through the shirt sponsorship. In fact, some people might even see it as hypercritical. 

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Agreed. I became addicted to vacuuming after seeing the new vax 2 advert, every morning I can’t help but vacuum the house over and over again. We really need to abdicate anyone’s own responsibly for their actions and blame it all on adverts

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8 hours ago, Turkish said:

Agreed. I became addicted to vacuuming after seeing the new vax 2 advert, every morning I can’t help but vacuum the house over and over again. We really need to abdicate anyone’s own responsibly for their actions and blame it all on adverts

In a nutshell, it’s about personal responsibility and decisions of the individual. Currently there is a clamour to make everything the responsibility of the state and I find it all really disturbing.

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I've got a friend who's a recovered gambling addict. What he and his family went through was horrendous, but he's had years in Gamblers Anonymous and hasn't had a bet in a long time.

What he's told about his journey has been an eye opener. He started betting harmlessly as many of us do, but he became addicted because he's an addict. Not because of the plentiful bookies, or websites, at adverts, but because of how he's wired. Now he's sorted himself out, he doesn't go into a cold sweat when he sees a bookies or an ad for an online casino on a footy shirt. 

I can't agree with the poster who says "it's about personal responsibility and decisions of the individual" as that misunderstands addiction. There is nothing irresponsible about having a little bet, I do as do millions of others. I can choose to stop or not bet at all , but an addict at the simplest description, loses the power of choice and will bet because his of addiction not because he's lacking in responsibility. 

With the above said, advertising does not make addicts, and I have no issue with it. 

 

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I am thoroughly fed up with the number of adverts for gambling on tv, especially during sports coverage. Gambling companies are just leaches sucking money from the public and causing significant harm to the vulnerable while bringing zero benefit. It has got worse in recent years, both with the volume of betting companies and adverts and with the tone of the adverts implying that gamblers are making investments. They have also invented ever more ways of parting the unwary from their hard earned cash, with in play betting being particularly dangerous. Unfortunately, advertising does have an effect, as it normalises gambling. I too know recovering addicts and the gambling companies do nothing to help those they have harmed.

it pains me to see an gambling company name on a saints shirt.

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Difficult one this. There are some people as egg said who have addictive personalities and for these people gambling can be a slippery slope to ruining their life, much like alcohol can be for others.

There's very few people who make much money out of betting other than the bookies but is that a reason to ban advertising? I suspect most people who do bet are chucking a tenner on a weekly accumulator or placing the odd wager while watching a match or a race to make it more interesting. For most people that's not a problem, for the others the advertising could be said to be luring them into a very bad place.

It does seem a bit cheap having a betting firm sponsoring a team but if it's allowed and they are offering more money the clubs are mostly going to go with it.

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30 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Would the world really be a worse place if they banned online gambling?

Nope, but you could extend that to gambling full stop, alcohol, tobacco, or anything which some people become addicted to. We're becoming a nanny state and I don't think banning online gambling is necessary. 

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2 hours ago, egg said:

Nope, but you could extend that to gambling full stop, alcohol, tobacco, or anything which some people become addicted to. We're becoming a nanny state and I don't think banning online gambling is necessary. 

You could.  But it's cost benefit thing.

The term "Nanny State" is one of the most meaningless in the English language, needs binning.

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6 hours ago, egg said:

I've got a friend who's a recovered gambling addict. What he and his family went through was horrendous, but he's had years in Gamblers Anonymous and hasn't had a bet in a long time.

What he's told about his journey has been an eye opener. He started betting harmlessly as many of us do, but he became addicted because he's an addict. Not because of the plentiful bookies, or websites, at adverts, but because of how he's wired. Now he's sorted himself out, he doesn't go into a cold sweat when he sees a bookies or an ad for an online casino on a footy shirt. 

I can't agree with the poster who says "it's about personal responsibility and decisions of the individual" as that misunderstands addiction. There is nothing irresponsible about having a little bet, I do as do millions of others. I can choose to stop or not bet at all , but an addict at the simplest description, loses the power of choice and will bet because his of addiction not because he's lacking in responsibility. 

With the above said, advertising does not make addicts, and I have no issue with it. 

 

Such a good post. Unless you have experienced addiction, either personally or as a family member or their friend, you cannot fully understand the addict's mindset. I was married to an alcoholic who eventually died from his addiction. He never got control over his desperation for the next drink. Banning advertising isn't the solution to stopping addiction.

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7 hours ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

Such a good post. Unless you have experienced addiction, either personally or as a family member or their friend, you cannot fully understand the addict's mindset. I was married to an alcoholic who eventually died from his addiction. He never got control over his desperation for the next drink. Banning advertising isn't the solution to stopping addiction.

I will admit that I've never known a full on gambling addict. But while banning advertising won't stop addiction, it surely doesn't help people who are try to quit if they have it constantly pushed at them when they're trying to watch football?

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32 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

I will admit that I've never known a full on gambling addict. But while banning advertising won't stop addiction, it surely doesn't help people who are try to quit if they have it constantly pushed at them when they're trying to watch football?

If an addict doesn't address their addiction, then they will use again regardless of how easy or difficult it is to access a bookmaker / drink / drug. If the addiction is properly addressed, it doesn't matter how available the bookmaker / drink / drug is. Advertising has nothing to do with the problem. 

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Overwhelmingly, adverts are designed to get you to switch brands rather than to consume more.

It’s hard to understand why Andrex would advertise if this wasn’t the case. How many people watch the ads with the cute puppy and decide they will now take a dump more regularly?

There’s no evidence that liberal rules on consumption and advertising have an adverse impact on gambling addiction. The USA has far tighter rules than us but similar prevalence rates for problem gambling.

The problem with prohibition not working is that prohibitionists never retreat, they just double down. When banning gambling adverts on football shirts doesn’t work, they will want wider advertising bans, no branding on high streets etc

To a man with a hammer, every problem is a nail.

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