notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2020 Share Posted 17 November, 2020 13 hours ago, Verbal said: Nope. Read Daniel Kahneman's Thinking Fast and Slow. Standard qualitative and quantitive methods are examples of 'fast thinking', and are prone to errors and unconscious biases. 'Slow thinking' takes too much time to explain, ironically, but it's worth reading (he won a Nobel for these ideas). Bringing this back to Walcott, there's no intrinsic reason to give less weight to Turkish's analysis than to the 'statistical' approach. Quantitive doesn't trump qualitative. Quantitative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 17 November, 2020 Share Posted 17 November, 2020 23 hours ago, Verbal said: Nope. Read Daniel Kahneman's Thinking Fast and Slow. Standard qualitative and quantitive methods are examples of 'fast thinking', and are prone to errors and unconscious biases. 'Slow thinking' takes too much time to explain, ironically, but it's worth reading (he won a Nobel for these ideas). Bringing this back to Walcott, there's no intrinsic reason to give less weight to Turkish's analysis than to the 'statistical' approach. Quantitive doesn't trump qualitative. Maybe one day I will read it but in the real world of useful science, for example developing a Covid Vaccine, the efficacy is going to measured by numbers, not feelings and opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 17 November, 2020 Share Posted 17 November, 2020 19 minutes ago, Jonnyboy said: Maybe one day I will read it but in the real world of useful science, for example developing a Covid Vaccine, the efficacy is going to measured by numbers, not feelings and opinions. Good grief. Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 17 November, 2020 Share Posted 17 November, 2020 23 hours ago, Jonnyboy said: Except quantitative does have greater weight. Rubbish! You ask users of a product questions about that product, from the comfort of their own home, you get first hand views which you can easily draw a trend from with very few people. In fact, the more people you ask, the more diminishing the returns. You check the data of your product, how many weeks of data do you need before you are told you have reached "significance"? Many. The two go hand in hand, but quant is VERY powerful as it gives you the insight and early hypotheses you need to form that product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 17 November, 2020 Share Posted 17 November, 2020 25 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said: Rubbish! You ask users of a product questions about that product, from the comfort of their own home, you get first hand views which you can easily draw a trend from with very few people. In fact, the more people you ask, the more diminishing the returns. You check the data of your product, how many weeks of data do you need before you are told you have reached "significance"? Many. The two go hand in hand, but quant is VERY powerful as it gives you the insight and early hypotheses you need to form that product. Exactly, theres no opportunity for qualitative until quantative has done the big boy stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Saint Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 Why didi he ever leave saints in the first place. More money I suppose. i bet he could not believe his luck to get a loan move with us, let alone to come straight into the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Totton Saint said: Why did he ever leave saints in the first place. If you were a teenager at a struggling Championship club and Arsenal offered you a wage increase and quick route to Premier League football would you turn it down? Edited 22 November, 2020 by Matthew Le God 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Totton Saint said: Why didi he ever leave saints in the first place. More money I suppose. i bet he could not believe his luck to get a loan move with us, let alone to come straight into the team Ever mind that, let’s get back to the intellectual debate that is going straight over my qualitative quantitative little head! Edited 22 November, 2020 by Toussaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 41 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: If you were a teenager at a struggling Championship club and Arsenal offered you a wage increase and quick route to Premier League football would you turn it down? We were in a bit of a shit place financially as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 2 hours ago, Totton Saint said: Why didi he ever leave saints in the first place. More money I suppose. i bet he could not believe his luck to get a loan move with us, let alone to come straight into the team And we even had a song for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Saint Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: If you were a teenager at a struggling Championship club and Arsenal offered you a wage increase and quick route to Premier League football would you turn it down? I said he went for the money did I not. I agree I would have done the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 3 hours ago, Totton Saint said: Why didi he ever leave saints in the first place. More money I suppose. i bet he could not believe his luck to get a loan move with us, let alone to come straight into the team If you were offered the choice of being coached by Arsene Wenger or George Burley which would you choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 2 minutes ago, VectisSaint said: If you were offered the choice of being coached by Arsene Wenger or George Burley which would you choose? Depends how much you like a drink 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 I make that two assists and a goal in his four games for us so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Maggie May said: I make that two assists and a goal in his four games for us so far. doing well so far. Edited 23 November, 2020 by skintsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 4 minutes ago, skintsaint said: doing well so far. He was also brilliant in his interview. It was actually worth listening to because he has a brain in his head and says some interesting things. A cracking advocate for the club and I predict he will have a role here for a good few years yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: He was also brilliant in his interview. It was actually worth listening to because he has a brain in his head and says some interesting things. A cracking advocate for the club and I predict he will have a role here for a good few years yet. Agreed fully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 24 November, 2020 Share Posted 24 November, 2020 8 hours ago, hypochondriac said: He was also brilliant in his interview. It was actually worth listening to because he has a brain in his head and says some interesting things. A cracking advocate for the club and I predict he will have a role here for a good few years yet. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 24 November, 2020 Share Posted 24 November, 2020 p.s he needs to ditch them tights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 24 November, 2020 Share Posted 24 November, 2020 1 hour ago, skintsaint said: p.s he needs to ditch them tights. he does, yeah. I thought he had come dressed for baseball. If he had brought a bat out of his tights, that would have confirmed it. Mid term appraisal - strengths : speed running, passing, enthusiasm, interview techniques; weaknesses - finishing, dress sense, the man bun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M271 Posted 24 November, 2020 Share Posted 24 November, 2020 3 hours ago, skintsaint said: p.s he needs to ditch them tights. His tights / long johns do look weird but better than pulling a hamstring, which I presume that is why he is wearing them. Or maybe he just likes to wear tights even in public!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 24 November, 2020 Share Posted 24 November, 2020 On 22/11/2020 at 21:15, VectisSaint said: If you were offered the choice of being coached by Arsene Wenger or George Burley which would you choose? Wasnt it Redknapp rather than Burley who was Saints manager when he was sold? Burley v Wenger is clearly no contest but I can't believe that Theo turned down the 'triffic coaching of 'arry and Kevin Bond for Wenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 24 November, 2020 Share Posted 24 November, 2020 17 hours ago, hypochondriac said: He was also brilliant in his interview. It was actually worth listening to because he has a brain in his head and says some interesting things. A cracking advocate for the club and I predict he will have a role here for a good few years yet. I’d personally be wary of keeping players for reasons like that. We’ve already given Long a token contract because he tries hard and is a nice lad in the dressing room. For me, the jury is still out. A decent enough start but I’d want to see a bit more from him to warrant giving a 32 year old what would be a pretty beefy contract. I’ve always said he left too early and I stick by that. He’d only made his debut a few months before we sold him and instead of playing competitive first team football, he ended up stuck in their reserves for the next 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 24 November, 2020 Share Posted 24 November, 2020 I thought Walcott was sold as Saints were desperate for cash and accepted a poor deal . The spin was his Dad was desperate to get him a move to Arsenal !! Saints have got all season to see if he's worth a contract. Perhaps Ings could coach his finishing ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 24 November, 2020 Share Posted 24 November, 2020 8 hours ago, the saint in winchester said: he does, yeah. I thought he had come dressed for baseball. If he had brought a bat out of his tights, that would have confirmed it. Mid term appraisal - strengths : speed running, passing, enthusiasm, interview techniques; weaknesses - finishing, dress sense, the man bun Might be seen as indecent exposure. Agree with your appraisal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 27 November, 2020 Share Posted 27 November, 2020 On 24/11/2020 at 18:34, East Kent Saint said: I thought Walcott was sold as Saints were desperate for cash and accepted a poor deal . The spin was his Dad was desperate to get him a move to Arsenal !! Saints have got all season to see if he's worth a contract. Perhaps Ings could coach his finishing ?? Weren't there price caps at the time when selling academy players? I do remember that he delayed signing for Arsenal until he was little older which meant we could receive a bit more for his transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 Just resurrecting this one to see what people's opinions are now he's had a few games. For me he's a useful addition to the squad, but isn't exactly the Messiah. I'm certainly not seeing him as a great signing at the moment - just an ok one at a time when we don't seem to have money to spend. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 I think he's been a good signing so far in the context of what Ralph would have been looking for from him. I think we wanted someone to give us more options in wide positions and up front and that's exactly what he's done. Nice that for once we signed someone ready to come into first team immediately and the amount of time he's spent on the pitch so far suggests Ralph has been happy with him. I would be surprised if we end up signing him permanently though, would think we would look for someone younger on lower wages in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 29 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said: Just resurrecting this one to see what people's opinions are now he's had a few games. For me he's a useful addition to the squad, but isn't exactly the Messiah. I'm certainly not seeing him as a great signing at the moment - just an ok one at a time when we don't seem to have money to spend. Thoughts? Thoughts, pretty much in line with yours. I think he’ll end up on the bench, potentially a good sub, probably more effective than long has been recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 16 minutes ago, Toussaint said: Thoughts, pretty much in line with yours. I think he’ll end up on the bench, potentially a good sub, probably more effective than long has been recently 46 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said: Just resurrecting this one to see what people's opinions are now he's had a few games. For me he's a useful addition to the squad, but isn't exactly the Messiah. I'm certainly not seeing him as a great signing at the moment - just an ok one at a time when we don't seem to have money to spend. Thoughts? I felt since he has been deployed up front he been less impressive (well damn average) but in the no10 roles in our side his direct running is dangerous. I’d like to see him there again and see how he progresses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 His signing means we now have options off the bench that can change the game. Whether he starts or is beefing up the bench, he's a decent signing and I hope we make it permenent. Miles better than long for a start. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 Just now, hypochondriac said: His signing means we now have options off the bench that can change the game. Whether he starts or is beefing up the bench, he's a decent signing and I hope we make it permenent. Miles better than long for a start. Yep. He offers options / competition up front and on the wings. Whoever starts ahead of him knows they've got to perform to keep the shirt. We've not had that for a while. He's been a good signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 Good signing .....experienced prem league player with a bit of pace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 Theo has been a very shrewd signing. Offers pace and experience, he also wanted to come home 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 I expect he's also on a reasonable wage we can afford. If we'd instead opted for an inconsistent youngster or a risky player that would no one had heard of then the chances of success imo would be small. He has played the part he was brought into play perfectly and what a player to have in the dressing room. I bet he's also contributed to our good start behind the scenes as well as he's clearly an intelligent book which is good as we need clever players for the football we play. Jwp, romeu, Walcott and I think Bertrand clearly have a fair amount between the ears which undoubtedly makes a difference. Not sure about the others but I'm sure that plays a part in our success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manzo Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 On 16/11/2020 at 23:52, Verbal said: Nope. Read Daniel Kahneman's Thinking Fast and Slow. Standard qualitative and quantitive methods are examples of 'fast thinking', and are prone to errors and unconscious biases. 'Slow thinking' takes too much time to explain, ironically, but it's worth reading (he won a Nobel for these ideas). Bringing this back to Walcott, there's no intrinsic reason to give less weight to Turkish's analysis than to the 'statistical' approach. Quantitive doesn't trump qualitative. I've not finished reading this book yet (it deserves reading properly), but I have read The Undoing Project by Michael Lewis (who wrote Moneyball), which is about a lot of the work that Kahneman and Tversky did on how useless gut feeling is, and how easy it is to manipulate (which they show using cold, hard statistics). Well worth a read. Though it may leaving you feel that we're doomed as a species, as we are so easily manipulated (see Facebook, Cambridge Analytica, etc...) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 3 hours ago, hypochondriac said: I expect he's also on a reasonable wage we can afford. If we'd instead opted for an inconsistent youngster or a risky player that would no one had heard of then the chances of success imo would be small. He has played the part he was brought into play perfectly and what a player to have in the dressing room. I bet he's also contributed to our good start behind the scenes as well as he's clearly an intelligent book which is good as we need clever players for the football we play. Jwp, romeu, Walcott and I think Bertrand clearly have a fair amount between the ears which undoubtedly makes a difference. Not sure about the others but I'm sure that plays a part in our success. Free transfer, good squad player, wants to be here. Why wouldn’t we make it permanent? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 Had a not so good game against Brighton but overall he has performed much better than I expected. As long as he can stay clear of injuries I think he is a good addition but he does need to work on his finishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 26 December, 2020 Share Posted 26 December, 2020 Will we sign him permanently in January or wait until thr summer? He's free!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue_Saint Posted 26 December, 2020 Share Posted 26 December, 2020 Has been brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 26 December, 2020 Share Posted 26 December, 2020 24 minutes ago, MarkSFC said: Will we sign him permanently in January or wait until thr summer? He's free!! Sign him in January means you have to pay all his wages. In the summer he will be a free agent and then you offer him a take or leave 2 year contract. That’s the best he will get anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 26 December, 2020 Share Posted 26 December, 2020 Think he’s been really good myself he’s at least playing better then the other number tens.. drops into holes and finds space well and causes problems when in these pockets. a lot better then Redmond or djenepo for me.has strengthened the first team so is a good signing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 26 December, 2020 Share Posted 26 December, 2020 On 24/11/2020 at 11:03, skintsaint said: p.s he needs to ditch them tights. Keeping the hammys warm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 26 December, 2020 Share Posted 26 December, 2020 27 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Think he’s been really good myself he’s at least playing better then the other number tens.. drops into holes and finds space well and causes problems when in these pockets. a lot better then Redmond or djenepo for me.has strengthened the first team so is a good signing Agreed. He was excellent against City. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medrurkin Posted 26 December, 2020 Share Posted 26 December, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 07:48, skintsaint said: WP decisively won the ball back and Walcott just picked up the loose ball, then sent a shocker knee high cross in. I'm not as easily pleased as modern fans it seems. Still annoyed he missed that simple chance to make it 2 nil into the corner. For his hefty wage he hasn't delivered for me and just carrying on his Everton form. Still time to change my mind though - 10 goals and 5 assists will do it by season end Still having more of an impact than Redmond or Djeneppo, and about equal to Armstrong. I was not a believer, but he is swaying me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medrurkin Posted 26 December, 2020 Share Posted 26 December, 2020 1 hour ago, MarkSFC said: Will we sign him permanently in January or wait until thr summer? He's free!! No need to sign him in January. He wants to be here, and if we want him, it will be down to the money. Besides, he might crock himself between now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 26 December, 2020 Share Posted 26 December, 2020 He has been brilliant. I hope this continues and we are able to keep him longer-term 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 26 December, 2020 Share Posted 26 December, 2020 He has been ok for me and tbh better than i was expecting, still not worth his wages for me so far. To say he has been brilliant is laughable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 December, 2020 Share Posted 26 December, 2020 2 hours ago, Pilchards said: Sign him in January means you have to pay all his wages. In the summer he will be a free agent and then you offer him a take or leave 2 year contract. That’s the best he will get anywhere. Agreed . The best deal all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue_Saint Posted 26 December, 2020 Share Posted 26 December, 2020 45 minutes ago, skintsaint said: He has been ok for me and tbh better than i was expecting, still not worth his wages for me so far. To say he has been brilliant is laughable. Looking at the overall picture. Free Half his salary being paid by competitor Outperforming the other number 10s I think he’s been a better than brilliant acquisition. Some would say inspired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now