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2 hours ago, Nick75Sfc said:

One of my, if not my number one, favourite moment on the Milton. It ended 18 games I think with out a win and nailed on relegation if we didn't win. Mike Hooper was the keeper iirc ... 89th minute ruddock steps up and smashes home then stands on the boards. I have tried so often to find footage of this ... my friends and I went from the back of the Milton to the front on a wave (crush) of celebration with out are feet touching the floor. We were about 16 and one of my mates still swears that I saved his life as he was wrapped around a bar. (Left side for the record) Great moment 

Great memories! Here’s a link to the teams: https://www.11v11.com/matches/southampton-v-newcastle-united-01-april-1989-89282/

You can see the whole season’s results here including that horrendous run. Looks like we beat Utd at the end of the season - don’t remember that: https://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2471&comp_id=1&teamTabs=results

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23 hours ago, SW5 SAINT said:

I remember travelling up from Yeovilton on a winter night in February 1980? with the prospect of going top if we beat Brighton. We lost 2-0 including a goal from Steve Foster wearing his white bandana. It didn’t help that Foster was born in Portsmouth.....

Was December 1981, a few days after we beat Man Utd 3-2 (Armstrong's last minute goal after KK's overhead 'goal' was disallowed). Remember it well.

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25 minutes ago, Saint Mikey said:

Great memories! Here’s a link to the teams: https://www.11v11.com/matches/southampton-v-newcastle-united-01-april-1989-89282/

You can see the whole season’s results here including that horrendous run. Looks like we beat Utd at the end of the season - don’t remember that: https://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2471&comp_id=1&teamTabs=results

Was a 2-1 v Man U, Glenda and Rod Wallace. Remember the Newcastle game well and the shocking winless run, keeper did catch Wallace but he made the most of it. Scuffed penalty but what a relief, it went in and the celebrations were huge relief. TBF, got a bit derailed after the goings on at Arsenal with Paul Davis knocking out Glenda and David Axcell seemingly playing on until Arsenal equalised, using Davis’s thuggery as an excuse for several extra minutes. It was very controversial even at the time.
 

Saints were always leaky under Nicholl despite some very exciting attacking play. Numerous 2 goal leads blown in the 23 game run, this wasn’t like Pellegrino. 

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Maybe a little rusty, but I'd have to say that his best form for us was in the 'restart' games, as opposed to over the entire course of the season. It looks as if that was nothing more than a purple patch really. if you look at his influence on our team over a consistent period (a few years) then we concede lots of goals when he's in the side, it's just a general theme.

He's improved, don't get me wrong, but he's still not good enough to be a starter for a team with aspirations to be in the top 10.

I think what's most strange is how badly he regressed from the end of last season to the start of this one. He looked like he had stepped up in the same way JWP had during the restart, but he's back to his old self again currently.

If he could maintain that purple patch form consistently, he would be a decent squad player and give us a different option to Vestergaard when the opposition demands it, as he's more mobile and quicker (slightly), and he's very good with the ball at his feet and has a really good eye for a long range forward pass.

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49 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Southampton ‘B’: Scott; Keogh, Kpohomouh, Ledwidge, Morris; Defise, Watts, Chauke, Johnson; Mitchell, Smales-Braithwaite

Subs: Robise, Lathem, Olaigbe, Ferry, Tchaptchet

 

That looks more like an U18s line up to me?

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I remember watching Saints playing Newcastle in January 1970 when we both in Div One. It was the second leg of an Inter Cities Fairs Cup match, played at The Dell after a 0-0 draw in the first leg at Newcastle.   The game ended 1-1 but Newcastle went through because away goals counted double.  I can't recall the team that night but it may well have included Ron Davies, Jimmy Gabriel and Micky Channon.

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Just now, Saint Fan CaM said:

To be honest Newcastle are poor and so is Bruce, however they have some stand out players...e.g. Maximilian. I reckon there’s every chance of a 3-0 win.  Trouble is by the same token, Newcastle are a team that can sit back and frustrate. Thinking a 1-1 draw.

I don't think that's fair, it's a bit of a discredit to them.

There was always a lot of fanfare and uproar when Benitez wasn't kept on 'for what he did', but if anything Bruce has done just as well - if not a bit better. They look like a genuinely established PL side now and he's quietly developed quite a tidy outfit. They're certainly not poor and this won't be an easy game.

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8 hours ago, Professor said:

I remember watching Saints playing Newcastle in January 1970 when we both in Div One. It was the second leg of an Inter Cities Fairs Cup match, played at The Dell after a 0-0 draw in the first leg at Newcastle.   The game ended 1-1 but Newcastle went through because away goals counted double.  I can't recall the team that night but it may well have included Ron Davies, Jimmy Gabriel and Micky Channon.

Chivers for Channon maybe?

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15 hours ago, Saint Mikey said:

Great memories! Here’s a link to the teams: https://www.11v11.com/matches/southampton-v-newcastle-united-01-april-1989-89282/

You can see the whole season’s results here including that horrendous run. Looks like we beat Utd at the end of the season - don’t remember that: https://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2471&comp_id=1&teamTabs=results

Ha ! Thanks !! Look at some of the names .. Shearer, Ray Ransom ...

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Win and we go top! Possibly for no more than a day though 😆

I'm just going to enjoy it for as long as possible. We have been running at top 6/7 form for a whole year now, if we can keep clear of injuries this season there is no reason why we can't do something incredible.

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Can’t see us winning this. They’ll have too much pace and power on the counter attack. Their front 3 will cause us real issues. 
 

it’ll be a textbook 10 men behind the ball and hit us on the counter and probably win comfortably. We’ve seen it happen time and time again. 
 

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37 minutes ago, SKD said:

Can’t see us winning this. They’ll have too much pace and power on the counter attack. Their front 3 will cause us real issues. 
 

it’ll be a textbook 10 men behind the ball and hit us on the counter and probably win comfortably. We’ve seen it happen time and time again. 
 

0-2 

That's the spirit. Comfortable home win, 2-0, with or without Ings.

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26 minutes ago, Appy said:

Win and go top.

 

 

1-0 defeat incoming.

I think those of us who have been going for years know this is inevitable, might as well make some money on it, question is go for a straight Newcastle win or better odds of the 1-0 correct score? 

Have we ever won on a Friday in the premier league? 

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2 minutes ago, JRM said:

I think those of us who have been going for years know this is inevitable, might as well make some money on it, question is go for a straight Newcastle win or better odds of the 1-0 correct score? 

Have we ever won on a Friday in the premier league? 

Norwich away last season, but Friday evening games just make me think of Leicester.

 

This game makes me think of Swansea in 2015 when we had a chance to establish ourselves at the top and we lost one nil.

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9 minutes ago, JRM said:

I think those of us who have been going for years know this is inevitable, might as well make some money on it, question is go for a straight Newcastle win or better odds of the 1-0 correct score? 

Have we ever won on a Friday in the premier league? 

The most Saints way to avoid being top would be to go into the last 10 minutes with a relatively comfortable 2-0 lead, miss an easy chance to go 3-0 up and then and let in a completely avoidable 94th minute equaliser.

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22 minutes ago, Appy said:

Norwich away last season, but Friday evening games just make me think of Leicester.

 

This game makes me think of Swansea in 2015 when we had a chance to establish ourselves at the top and we lost one nil.

One of my favourite Friday night victories was the 16th March 1984 against Liverpool where Danny Wallace scored a wonderful overhead kick and outjumped Hansen for the 2nd. Not sure why it was a Friday game, I don't think it was very common day for footy in those days. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MKxUbtKvqA

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Its Newcastle. The Magpies.That big club up in the North East but no longer in  the pecking order for all the accolades of the London centrist Press. They will put ten men behind the ball and try to hit us on the break. An early saints goal will expose their weaknesses. We are the Saints. Have faith and we can beat them in the same way we have beaten Everton, even after the Taters (especially that pillock Smith) kept reminding us of a game against the Foxes last season. They forget we thrashed them at their muck heap in the return fixture. Three more points on Friday and no whinging please. We have a good team of dedicated players now who see us as winners, not whingers.  COYS

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1 hour ago, WALK DMC said:

One of my favourite Friday night victories was the 16th March 1984 against Liverpool where Danny Wallace scored a wonderful overhead kick and outjumped Hansen for the 2nd. Not sure why it was a Friday game, I don't think it was very common day for footy in those days. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MKxUbtKvqA

Friday night because it was a live TV game - on BBC I think.

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4 hours ago, Appy said:

Norwich away last season, but Friday evening games just make me think of Leicester.

 

This game makes me think of Swansea in 2015 when we had a chance to establish ourselves at the top and we lost one nil.

Yup - Shelvey scored the winner that day if I remember rightly. At least he doesn’t play for Newc... oh FFS.

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23 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I don't think that's fair, it's a bit of a discredit to them.

There was always a lot of fanfare and uproar when Benitez wasn't kept on 'for what he did', but if anything Bruce has done just as well - if not a bit better. They look like a genuinely established PL side now and he's quietly developed quite a tidy outfit. They're certainly not poor and this won't be an easy game.

When we talk poor, it depends on how you judge the standard. Newcastle are poor by comparison to any team that plays exciting football, plus I don’t think Bruce has forged a particularly potent team. Saints are better than that currently, however we’re faced with disruption to the 1st choice team selection and in defence that is typically a weakness for us.

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On 02/11/2020 at 23:12, Professor said:

I remember watching Saints playing Newcastle in January 1970 when we both in Div One. It was the second leg of an Inter Cities Fairs Cup match, played at The Dell after a 0-0 draw in the first leg at Newcastle.   The game ended 1-1 but Newcastle went through because away goals counted double.  I can't recall the team that night but it may well have included Ron Davies, Jimmy Gabriel and Micky Channon.

I was at that game, stood behind the goal in the Archers, and can vividly recall Wyn Davies getting the equaliser with a header . I was heartbroken .

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38 minutes ago, waylander said:

I don't think Newcastle are a poor team. They got a draw at Wolves in their last away game; a result I think most here would be happy with.

Yes they aren’t poor but away from home they are bloody boring and we do struggle to break teams down who sit back. A dour game probably 1-0 either way. The hope of going top even just for a day is killing me 😂

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This will be a very tough game now with our injuries.

LB will be a problem, and he hasnt got the option of using JWP on either side as Diallo is injured.

Likely either Valery or Stephens will play RB with KWP shifting over to LB.

I think he will go with Long up front.

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With all the injuries how do we play?

Bednarek, Bertrand and Vokins are out. Do we see Salisu take a CD place and Stephens as a LB? Or play KWP as a LB and Valery as a RB. Cant play JWP as a LB when Diallo is out and cant play CM. 

I'd go for 

McCarthy, Valery, Vestergaard, Stephens, KWP, JWP, Romeu, Armstrong, Redmond, Adams and Walcott.

It's gonna be a tough one.

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Just now, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

Ings is out for 4-6 weeks according to Ralph so we need a new partner for Che up top. Maybe move Theo up there and bring Redmond back in on the wing? Surely Theo will be a bigger threat than Shane, Obafemi or N'Lundulu?

I think Theo and Che through the middle is the most obvious change up. Redmond on the flank. (Drifting in as he does etc).

Long will stick to his bench role, I hope (he's not going to score goals if he plays, as we all know!)

It's not just Ings goals we'll miss, it's his movement up top and his build up play. We'll look a totally different side without him in my opinion and it's going to be a struggle over the next couple of months. Any team will go backwards without their leading attacking player. Such a shame, it was promising to be such a good season, but this may have just derailed it totally.

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I know there are SWF question marks over Smallbone's 1st team credentials but, given the limited options at left back, I'm assuming Smallbone comes back into the starting 11 (if he's fully recovered from his injury?) with JWP dropping to full back....?

I guess another option would be for Slattery to leap-frog Smallbone, but I suspect that's unlikely. (I would actually prefer Slattery over Smallbone as I feel he offers more tenacity as a midfielder. Slattery is the B-Team captain afterall, and the whole philosophy behind the new B-Team modus-operandi is that players can step up to the first team in a relatively seamless manner when required. If the captain of the B-Team isn't ready to step up then isn't the whole B-Team philosophy flawed?)

Anyway, given all the injuries, this it what I reckon Ralph might go for....

-------------------------- --- McCarthy -------------------------------

---- KWP ------ Stephens / Bednarek ----- Vestergaard --------- JWP

--------------------- Romeu ------------- Smallbone* -----------------

--------- Armstrong -------------------------------- Redmond --------

--------------------- Adams -------------- Walcott --------------------

Subs: Forster, Valery**, Stephens / Bednarek, Slattery, Long, N'Lundulu/Obefemi, Djenepo

(*If Smallbone is still injured then Slattery to start and Jankewitz on the bench....?)

(**Not sure what the current status is with Valery? We didn't have any full-backs on the bench last week - not sure if that was tactical or something is up with Valery?)

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Romeu/Armstrong in CM? Has been done before I think, in fact I think Armstrong going in there was the start of our resurgence last year? I may be imagining it though.

 

Two of Djenepo/Redmond/Theo on the wing, and N’Lundulu getting his chance up top. Unlikely i’m sure, but never know!

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