5 Sub Rule

[SaintsLoyal]

It will clearly benefit those that have big squads full of internationals on the bench.

[HarvSFC]

You only have to look at the semi-finalists of the League Cup to see who benefits from the five sub ruling - Tottenham, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. Then you look a bit deeper and the winners, Liverpool were 3-1 down at half time against Leicester in the quarters before bringing on Konate, Milner and Jota at half time and then Keita on 59 minutes and an unknown in Beck at 80 to bring it back to 3-3 and get the win on penalties. Sparing Klopp's blushes after getting his line-up wrong, but he was able to change half of it and bring out the inexperience of Bradley, Koumetio and Morton before they cost any further goals with subs to spare. We were also guilty of playing a second string team in the last round of the FA Cup because we could bring on the big guns when needed with five subs, it's not something I want to see. I want to see the best possible team put out for each match.

Then you have the big six managers moaning every week that they don't have enough subs, before only making one or two in the next match. While, we don't make full use of our subs either. Bringing Long on, on the 94th minute against Watford yesterday at 2-1 down and Djenepo on the 85th minute at 2-1 down against Newcastle being the two recent examples of subs being too late to make an impact. But, now we want 5? 

It might help us against the likes of Leeds, Burnley, Brentford and Norwich, who all have paper thin squads, but it's going to make competing with the top clubs even more difficult than it already is and I'd rather we didn't spend the rest of my lifetime focussing on how we're going to beat the likes of Leeds, Burnley, Brentford and Norwich.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, waylander said:

I would expect that they will allow maybe 3 substitution events per team where you can sub one player or more up to a total of substitutions.

I'd prefer this to even more added time.

it's also surely time for a gel break to be written into the rules.😊

[trousers]

Given clubs our size seemingly stand to be disadvantaged by 5 subs, do we know why Ralph is so keen on it...?

Edited 14 March, 2022 by trousers

[JRM]

59 minutes ago, trousers said:

Given clubs our size seemingly stand to be disadvantaged by 5 subs, do we know why Ralph is so keen on it...?

He probably think it would help a high energy pressing game 

[Whitey Grandad]

15 minutes ago, JRM said:

He probably think it would help a high energy pressing game 

Possibly, but all the substitutions would scupper that. Plus the sit-down timeouts.

[Dark Munster]

3 hours ago, OttawaSaint said:

Great idea, perhaps have a separate offense and defense would help too. Also, helmets to eliminate head injuries and some sort of padding perhaps for protecting the upper body, cant be too careful about that. They could stop the clock in between plays to help organize the players and have a pop concert at half time so that everyone is happy!

Also 7 points for a goal, and if someone like Long launches the ball over the bar into row Z that'll be worth a point.

[HarvSFC]

Guardiola proves what I wrote earlier. Not a single substitution tonight, but he’ll be one of the loudest voices calling for five subs and a reduced fixture list.

[Gingeletiss]

Here in Oz, the AFL have interchange subs, they can come on anytime for a player, the player gets a quick breather, then then the sub goes back off. So how about 3 subs and 2 interchange subs.

[OttawaSaint]

2 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Also 7 points for a goal, and if someone like Long launches the ball over the bar into row Z that'll be worth a point.

I'll write that down. This is excellent.

[OttawaSaint]

3 hours ago, trousers said:

Given clubs our size seemingly stand to be disadvantaged by 5 subs, do we know why Ralph is so keen on it...?

He knows we're going to be part of "the great 8". 

[skintsaint]

2 hours ago, Gingeletiss said:

Here in Oz, the AFL have interchange subs, they can come on anytime for a player, the player gets a quick breather, then then the sub goes back off. So how about 3 subs and 2 interchange subs.

Confused if this goes in with the piss take part of the thread along with taking NFL ideas 😅

[Gingeletiss]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

Confused if this goes in with the piss take part of the thread along with taking NFL ideas 😅

Obviously tongue in cheek. Keep it at three subs.

[david in sweden]

13 hours ago, trousers said:

Given clubs our size seemingly stand to be disadvantaged by 5 subs, do we know why Ralph is so keen on it...?

Exactly right Trousers.  Whilst it's obviously good to change out injured / out of form players, the " big clubs " usually have a pretty formidable bench 

with any number of players able to become  "game-changers ", whereas  - the rest of us - are looking to make up the numbers when picking the bench.

 

Bringing on Broja looked a good move v. Watford, but he was totally ineffective and the later replacements with Redmond, and Long were no better.

I found myself looking to the bench for alternatives - and there were none, except I might have been encouraged to have seen Adam A.  from the start.

 

With the likelihood of seeing 5 subs being used by both sides in the Man City Cup match, one sees that a quick look at the City bench will be fairly

daunting, let alone those who will be in the starting line-up. 

 

[david in sweden]

9 hours ago, Gingeletiss said:

Here in Oz, the AFL have interchange subs, they can come on anytime for a player, the player gets a quick breather, then then the sub goes back off. So how about 3 subs and 2 interchange subs.

OR.. .in your case,  2 interchange subs. or one kangeroo  up front,  AND change out the referee if you don't like his decisions.  

[sadoldgit]

Seems crazy to be able to replace virtually half of your team. Nothing wrong with 3 subs plus the concussion sub system and as said, will only benefit those with deep pockets and squads full of quality. The only time I can see it if being a benefit to us is when we get a load of injuries in a match, but how often does that happen? If we want to make the game fairer for all we should look at ways of spreading the talent more equally. This will only encourage those who can afford it to spend more on players wages to keep bench warmers happy. Surely we all want to see the best players out on the pitch for most of the games? I can imagine it will put back the development of many young players too as clubs will look to beef up their benches rather than take a chance on youth as much.

[Whitey Grandad]

It’s an awful idea. The beauty of football compared with other team sports is the continuous ebb and flow and the excitement that this generates. Constant substitutions, sit-down timeouts, VAR delays are all killing this aspect of the sport. 

It’s a team game and not a squad game.

[kelkel31]

Ive said it before and ill say it again, allow five subs on the provision that 2 have to be under that age of 18/20 and have played no more than 5 first team games before the start of the season. Give you players a real chance in the top leagues and stop teams just bring on multiple +50million just because they can.

[East Kent Saint]

All these subs are a step too far and give yet another advantage to clubs with massive funding . 3 subs are more than enough OK make one of them a youngster each game.

Looking at Rugby the whole game has changed now they have endless subs plus blood changes , it needs to introduce new rules to prevent so many bad injuries and so players can last a whole match .

[Dark Munster]

As I've said before, keep it at 3 (outfield) subs, but also allow a goalie sub for injuries even if the three outfield subs have been used.

[Whitey Grandad]

Substitutions need to be slicker. What’s the point of an led display that nobody can read and that can only handle one change at a time. What was wrong with the white cards that they used to hold up?