Saints 2-0 Everton

[OttawaSaint]

So a year ago we lost that 0-9 and have had to hear about it ad nauseam for a year. In that year, we must have probably the 6th or 7th best record in the EPL. Has anyone done the calculation? We can’t be too far off top 6 form for a whole year.

[trousers]

15 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

So a year ago we lost that 0-9 and have had to hear about it ad nauseam for a year. In that year, we must have probably the 6th or 7th best record in the EPL. Has anyone done the calculation? We can’t be too far off top 6 form for a whole year.

8th according to this: https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:premier-league/daterange/fromdate:2019-Oct-26/todate:2020-Oct-25/type:home-and-away/

Although, I don't think that includes today's result as I'm pretty sure Sky said in the pre-match build up that we had amassed 51 points since the Leicester game. So, today's result puts us on 54 points for the last 12 months, which would indeed be 6th... (Having played 1 or 2 games more than some of those teams in the vicinity admittedly)

Edited 25 October, 2020 by trousers

[tajjuk]

IIRC BBC said we had the exact same record as Leicester since the result 

[OttawaSaint]

29 minutes ago, trousers said:

8th according to this: https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:premier-league/daterange/fromdate:2019-Oct-26/todate:2020-Oct-25/type:home-and-away/

Although, I don't think that includes today's result as I'm pretty sure Sky said in the pre-match build up that we had amassed 51 points since the Leicester game. So, today's result puts us on 54 points for the last 12 months, which would indeed be 6th... (Having played 1 or 2 games more than some of those teams in the vicinity admittedly)

That’s absolutely superb. We lost the next league game after Leicester, to Man City, and threw away a few leads too in that time.

Shows more and more how freak that was, but the media just continue to beat us with it.

It’s like that joke. I built all the bridges in this town, do the call me OttawaSaint the bridge builder? No. I paved all the roads here too, do they call me OttawaSaint the road paver? No. But you shag one sheep...

[Spitz]

18 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

IIRC BBC said we had the exact same record as Leicester since the result 

Saints fan phoning into 606 (5 live) this evening stated we had won 2 points more than Leicester since the 9-0, which is some achievement if correct.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Jeremy said:

Just watched the highlights. Could have been accidental but it was such a bad "accident" it didn't matter. You've got to punish players who go after feet and ankles regardless.

I thought that there was no real intent at first, but I have just watched it from various angles multiple times and now I think that it was intentional. He clearly raises his arms in the innocent gesture BEFORE he rakes his studs down the back of KWP’s leg.

Pros like to pretend that they would never deliberately go out to injure another player but Roy Keane busted that myth several years ago.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Jeremy said:

Just watched the highlights. Could have been accidental but it was such a bad "accident" it didn't matter. You've got to punish players who go after feet and ankles regardless.

Yes, Digne could easily have kept clear.

[Mikey88]

1 hour ago, OttawaSaint said:

So a year ago we lost that 0-9 and have had to hear about it ad nauseam for a year. In that year, we must have probably the 6th or 7th best record in the EPL. Has anyone done the calculation? We can’t be too far off top 6 form for a whole year.

From matchday 14 ,was the Watford game in November, until the end of the season we were 4th in the form table. Were 6th so far this year. One hell of an achievement.

[Wes Tender]

13 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

That’s absolutely superb. We lost the next league game after Leicester, to Man City, and threw away a few leads too in that time.

Shows more and more how freak that was, but the media just continue to beat us with it.

It’s like that joke. I built all the bridges in this town, do the call me OttawaSaint the bridge builder? No. I paved all the roads here too, do they call me OttawaSaint the road paver? No. But you shag one sheep...

I don't watch Liverpool matches apart from MOTD highlights, but it will be interesting to see how long and how often the commentators happen to mention the 7-2 thrashing that Aston Villa delivered to them. Arguably that defeat was more embarrassing as a result than ours was against Leicester when we were playing for much of the match with 10 players. After all, we are just mediocre Saints, whereas the Scousers are one of the World's greatest glory teams, and last year's champions. I expect that when people heard our result, there was much shrugging of shoulders, whereas when Liverpool plastics around the World heard of their result, there would have been incredulous disbelief. But I also suspect that the commentators over here will want to forget that it ever happened and certainly won't be rabbiting on about a year later -unless of course they are Man Utd fans.

[OttawaSaint]

In any case, Everton can complain as much as they like. If anything we lost a bit of our swagger after the incident. We were head and shoulders better than them leading up to the incident and they offered nothing before or after the incident.

[OttawaSaint]

6 minutes ago, Wes Tender said:

I don't watch Liverpool matches apart from MOTD highlights, but it will be interesting to see how long and how often the commentators happen to mention the 7-2 thrashing that Aston Villa delivered to them. Arguably that defeat was more embarrassing as a result than ours was against Leicester when we were playing for much of the match with 10 players. After all, we are just mediocre Saints, whereas the Scousers are one of the World's greatest glory teams, and last year's champions. I expect that when people heard our result, there was much shrugging of shoulders, whereas when Liverpool plastics around the World heard of their result, there would have been incredulous disbelief. But I also suspect that the commentators over here will want to forget that it ever happened and certainly won't be rabbiting on about a year later -unless of course they are Man Utd fans.

Absolutely. Don’t remember commentators carping on about us smashing Sunderland 8-0 either. We’re an easy target for lazy pundits. Gordon Strachan highlighted it perfectly when he said, “oh right, we’re called Southampton, could have sworn we were called struggling Southampton when I first came here”.

Edited 25 October, 2020 by OttawaSaint

[Highfield Saint]

Leon Osman and Tim Cahill pundits on MOTD. 550 appearances for Everton between them. 
 

Nice balance that

[Lighthouse]

Standard MotD build up. A short piece w*nking over Everton's history and getting back to the glory days, then straight into the 9-0 stuff when the game begins.

[Saints4Prem]

4 minutes ago, Highfield Saint said:

Leon Osman and Tim Cahill pundits on MOTD. 550 appearances for Everton between them. 
 

Nice balance that

Yes and I thought they always had the games with most goals first ?

[LGTL]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

I said in the build up thread that for all Rodriguez's class on the ball he is poor off it and that Bertrand could capitalise...and he did.

RB is a wily player, knows how to win a cheap foul, knows when to make cheap fouls and often has his best games against the best players.

Wasn't necesarily MoTM today but he totally nulifed their main creative force and did damage at the other end.

You love to see it.

Agree. It’s astonishing that he doesn’t get in the England team. 

[Saints4Prem]

I thought it was a shame that MOTD spent so long looking at the Digne sending off (without realising that it was the second bite at KWP and he had his hands up two steps before he caught him) that they never had time to see the Bertrand penalty and the elbow on Bednarek which I think deserved more.

 

[Matthew Le God]

Was that Match of the Day 2 I just watched or Everton fan TV? 🤔 

- Bizarre Everton fan montage wasting time before the highlights ✔
- Constant references to the 9-0 game ✔
- Two ex Everton players as pundits making excuses ✔

[Saints Fan Dan]

I didn't watch the match but the BBC circle-jerking over Everton before showing the highlights proper was staggering. Only satisfying thing about it was knowing they had to show that and follow it with us beating them.

[Hayling Saint]

Yep, embarrassing by the BBC.So SFC don't count?

[Vancouver Saint]

Haven't got anything different to add - just wanted to put my twopence in for the record that I think that was the best all-round performance I've seen in Hasenhutl's time. Totally in control of that game. should have scored more. Everyone saying Everton played badly but it was all about us - they couldn't touch us today. 

[Professor]

MOTD lived down to expectations.  Only football clubs playing in Liverpool, Manchester or London are of interest to the BBC but they did surpass themselves this week.  Having made an amateurish promotional video about Everton and chosen a pair of pundits, all in the belief hat the result was a foregone conclusion, no one at the BBC had the sense to recover the situation when the result turned out to be the opposite of what they'd planned for.  The MOTD producers embarrassed themselves by demonstrating such crass stupidity.

[SaintZamboni]

BBC article about us said Long stormed down the tunnel today. Anyone know anything more about this?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54685092

[skintsaint]

53 minutes ago, SaintZamboni said:

BBC article about us said Long stormed down the tunnel today. Anyone know anything more about this?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54685092

Could see nothing on the TV feed. Can't see Long being too pissed off seeing as he must know he is a bench player these days.

[skintsaint]

p.s we made Everton look like a bottom 6 club. I expect them to drop a bit now seeing as they are starting to kop some injuries/suspensions.

[Jeremy]

6 hours ago, Vancouver Saint said:

Haven't got anything different to add - just wanted to put my twopence in for the record that I think that was the best all-round performance I've seen in Hasenhutl's time. Totally in control of that game. should have scored more. Everyone saying Everton played badly but it was all about us - they couldn't touch us today. 

And on this, my only concern is that this win and the way the game was played has set a very high benchmark that will be very hard to maintain over a long season. When the team goes through a bad patch, as it probably will at some point, I hope critics don't then say stuff like "what's happened since Everton?", certain players are useless (depending on the view of the particular critic) and RH should get the chop. Success can breed expectiations. That's good, of course, provided it's balanced and realistic.

As for me, I intend betting $10 for a Saints win every game for the rest of the season.

Edited 26 October, 2020 by Jeremy

[pimpin4rizeal]

Think that was probably Adams best performance for us, interesting to see how he does now his confidence should be rising.

romeau showing a lot of the doubters to be totally wrong. Always find it weird how posters tend to make out a player is utter crap just because he is not starting. To be honest romeau has been pretty solid in most games he has played over the last two seasons.. deserves his run in the side.

redmond man of the match really?

i just don’t rate this guy personally.. struggles to beat his man, loses possession quite often when trying to beat anyone. Has no football brain, carries the ball to long when could pass and his shots are usually wayward. Only thing he really brings is a bit of pace and can carry the ball at speed occasionally, overall though I think we need to upgrade on him soon.

[Convict Colony]

Hahahaha from the Everton Forum, will be interesting to see if Theo comes in for Redders

"mate Redmond is gash... like proper gash ... as in Theo is twice the player he is"

[Baird of the land]

Found it hilarious our coaching staff were still showing stuff to long on the iPads when they were preparing to bring him on in the 2nd minute of injury time. Then the ball didn’t go out of play anyway.

[gordonToo]

6 hours ago, Professor said:

MOTD lived down to expectations.  Only football clubs playing in Liverpool, Manchester or London are of interest to the BBC but they did surpass themselves this week.  Having made an amateurish promotional video about Everton and chosen a pair of pundits, all in the belief hat the result was a foregone conclusion, no one at the BBC had the sense to recover the situation when the result turned out to be the opposite of what they'd planned for.  The MOTD producers embarrassed themselves by demonstrating such crass stupidity.

That must be the most toe curling embarrassing MOTD ever. All involved should be ashamed of themselves.

[tajjuk]

I didn't get the Everton love in before this anyway, some sort of nostalgia for the 80s glory days? Their other results were beating Palace, West Brom and West Ham, the only stand out result was the away win at Spurs, who are hardly the powerhouses they were 2-3 years ago. They then got incredibly lucky against Liverpool mainly thanks to the officials all round having a bad day. 

Yes Rodriguez is a good signing and they have added some extra in midfield, but that the minimum they had to do as they were bang average last year. Rodriguez as well is a guy who for the last 3-4 years basically can't complete a season and gets injured, and their defence is poor with one of the most calamity keepers in the league, did they really think they were going to sustain some sort of top 4 challenge? They also despite spending millions and millions don't have any depth, Iwobi was awful and they paid what £35 million for him? 

We thoroughly outplayed them and looked sharper and quicker to everything. Plus the sending off was pretty irrelevant to the result, they hadn't had a sniff really before that. 

I think we have a pretty much as good a chance as them as challenging for European slot to be honest, I think they will be down with us in the 7th-10th spots end of the season. 

[egg]

6 hours ago, SaintZamboni said:

BBC article about us said Long stormed down the tunnel today. Anyone know anything more about this?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54685092

He's slipped a long way down the pecking order. When Obafemi is available he's more likely to get on ahead of Long. Obafemi wasn't available so L'undulu got on ahead of Long. That ain't going to put a smile on Long's face. 

[CB Fry]

If Shane Long isn't going to get regular game time, then I worry that we will really miss his goal.

[The Cat]

7 hours ago, SaintZamboni said:

BBC article about us said Long stormed down the tunnel today. Anyone know anything more about this?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54685092

No idea about Long, however the comments about us from Karen Carney were overwhelmingly positive and spot on, almost like a football pundit has actually watched us play, done some research and understands our style. 

Weird though, because reading previous posts on this forum had me believe women weren't qualified to be pundits? 

[Sarnia Cherie]

7 hours ago, SaintZamboni said:

BBC article about us said Long stormed down the tunnel today. Anyone know anything more about this?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54685092

He was on the touchline waiting to come on very near the end of the game. He must surely look at yesterday's performance and see that only injuries or illness to the first choice strikers will result in him getting a game. I thoroughly enjoyed watching our Saints and I didn't need Long to come on, miss a goal that Stevie Wonder would have scored and then smile about it. He does my head in when he does that!

[East Kent Saint]

Excellent goal by JWP and started from a throw in , which I think is pretty rare  , finish was brilliant .

Pundits saying Everton missed Colman as overlapping RB , stand in was a centre back so leaving space for Bertie to get forward and Saints to exploit the left side .

Had recorded Motd so your warnings meant I could fast forward to the start of the game , nice to see StMarys realised I missed our visits ...............

 

[steve green]

10 hours ago, OttawaSaint said:

Absolutely. Don’t remember commentators carping on about us smashing Sunderland 8-0 either. We’re an easy target for lazy pundits. Gordon Strachan highlighted it perfectly when he said, “oh right, we’re called Southampton, could have sworn we were called struggling Southampton when I first came here”.

When Bertie was doing his interview and they reminded him of the 9-0 he asked if they were going to talk about the 8-0 as well. It went over the interviewer's head, suspect he didn't know what Bertrand was referring to, not part of the agenda.

 

Ancelotti loses some of the respect I had for him with the red card comments, but then if he wants his players to act like headless chickens . . . .

[Pilchards]

15 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

He was on the touchline waiting to come on very near the end of the game. He must surely look at yesterday's performance and see that only injuries or illness to the first choice strikers will result in him getting a game. I thoroughly enjoyed watching our Saints and I didn't need Long to come on, miss a goal that Stevie Wonder would have scored and then smile about it. He does my head in when he does that!

He wanted his win bonus that’s it!

I believe they are still paying that out to all the players that played on the pitch at anytime.

[wild-saint]

9 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Was that Match of the Day 2 I just watched or Everton fan TV? 🤔 

- Bizarre Everton fan montage wasting time before the highlights ✔
- Constant references to the 9-0 game ✔
- Two ex Everton players as pundits making excuses ✔

I was quite happy to see that to be fair. They clearly recorded the montage and had two everton players on as pundits to laud over them after they smashed us and bigging them up a title contenders. Saints completely pissed on that bonfire ruining thier preparations, laughable really.

[Convict Colony]

46 minutes ago, The Cat said:

No idea about Long, however the comments about us from Karen Carney were overwhelmingly positive and spot on, almost like a football pundit has actually watched us play, done some research and understands our style. 

Weird though, because reading previous posts on this forum had me believe women weren't qualified to be pundits? 

I really think that the women work a lot harder than 90% of the male pundits to understand the game, the form, the system and players as they know it will be used against them if they arent.

Compare how well versed and insightful they seem to be vs Danny Murphy/Michael Owen/Deon Dublin etc etc etc

[Sheaf Saint]

I'm still gobsmacked that MOTD chose not to bother showing the disallowed goal from Armstrong that the lino took an ice age to decide was offside. It looked blatant in real time on Sky but the replay showed it was actually much closer than it first looked. And it was a great finish. 

Just bizarre. 

[saints-cris]

Top class first half, about as good as you'll see an in-form team get dominated from first kick to the last. A third would've been deserved to be honest.

We're now 5th in the table since playing the games behind closed doors, over the course of about 15 games. And I think top 6 in points since a year ago. I think we're there or there abouts where we were under Poch / Koeman now. We're in a great place right now.

[Chickendippers]

I could have quoted about a dozen of the posters on the forum today as they made all the points I wanted to.

• If we wanted to clinical it could have been a cricket score (key word 'wanted') - they were happy playing around and not even giving Everton a sniff of a 2-1 come back.
• Ok Richarlison was out but they replaced him with another £50m player - Siggurdson. Thin bench - my arse.
• Armstrong looked ill/unfit at times
• Redmond not MoM but put a shift in - final ball wasn’t great but at least he tried to link up play and pass forwards.
• Vesty was superb
• JWP & Romeu ran the show
• Red card was a little harsh - nasty challenge though - didn’t affect the general play let alone the result. I thought it might have been mistaken identity as Bernard was hacking our players down just before.
• First mention of the 9-0 was on 20 minutes. No-one mentioned we were down to 10 men after about 15 minutes with a very dodgy red card for Bertrand
• MOTD didn’t show the offside goal. 3-0 would not have flattered us
• Ings was MoM for me with his link up play. Look forward to the analysis piece similar to the Harry Kane providing assists one…

[Brumsaint]

These are exciting times because of how much Ralph is getting out of the players. We have a really strong first 11, but I am worried about squad depth, so need to be convinced that Ralph's magic touch is improving the whole squad and bringing them all up a few levels. If the likes of Diallo, Smallbone, Obafemi, Tella, Djenepo, Valery, Vokins and Salisu can come into the first team and play as well as the players they replace we will have an exciting season!

Despite our much vaunted promotion of youth and signing of young players, only three of the starting eleven against Everton were under 25 (Adams, KWP and Bednarek), so we do have a good amount of experience to help the younger players, which is a positive in my opinion. I absolutely agree with Ralph that we don't need to fear any team and can go toe to toe with the best now. We made Everton look poor and can take a lot of confidence from that.

In terms of the Digne red card, I think it was more intentional than not. He tried to take KWP down once, failed so made sure he got him the second time while holding his hands up to protest his innocence. That's why there was such an angry reaction from the Saints players.

[Alanh]

8 hours ago, Professor said:

MOTD lived down to expectations.  Only football clubs playing in Liverpool, Manchester or London are of interest to the BBC but they did surpass themselves this week.  Having made an amateurish promotional video about Everton and chosen a pair of pundits, all in the belief hat the result was a foregone conclusion, no one at the BBC had the sense to recover the situation when the result turned out to be the opposite of what they'd planned for.  The MOTD producers embarrassed themselves by demonstrating such crass stupidity.

Disagree with this a bit.  Going into the day yesterday Everton's story is one of the bigger ones of the season.  They were the only team with an unbeaten record and were top of the league for the first time in ages.  They've got an England striker who is scoring for fun and one of the biggest names in management at the club.  The montage of fans before our match set the scene perfectly for the way the game went - objectively an upset result - so the producers played a blinder in setting Everton up for a fall.  Having two ex Everton players in the studio was overkill and it would have been better to have a neutral ex pro there for balance, but I thought they were both clear in saying that Saints were the better team and Osman definitely said that the red card was justified.  Bertrand especially got loads of praise for exploiting the weakness in Everton's defence.

[John Boy Saint]

Think the observations from Karen Carney just about says it all about this game, correct me if I am wrong but Everton skimmed the crossbar and rifled a free kick straight into McCarthys hands. Apart from that you did wonder when they might start playing given the hype of recent weeks. Last 20 minutes were pretty surreal they looked like they had been at a lock in until 3am that morning we just went into energy conservation mode, in reality they looked wary of us almost as if they knew if they got daring and attacked us we would pick them off.

Ancelotti has reams of experience, but the fact that he had cashed in his chips using up all the subs before the hour was up, is very complementary to Ralphs set up and the lads execution. Not having the piped crowd noise it was interesting to hear Ralph encouraging the players, even in the last minutes when the game was securely and N'Lundulu was running across the Everton defence in pursuit of the ball, Ralph is urging Dan to keep going. Adams is such a deceptive player, a bit of a unit, strong, and I think his size masks his pace, most defenders are going to think twice about taking him on because if they don't get it right its going to hurt as they just bounce off, if N'Lundulu can cut the mustard we have the ability swap one mobile unit with another, which is going to keep any defence on its toes. 

All that said, as a Saints fan of many years some of our play whilst crisp and neat, you still have that feeling in your gut that its going to go wrong at any minute, but then when we lose the ball in close play we do seem pretty good at getting it back now. 

[Fabrice29]

People moaning about MOTD2 need to get a grip. I thought the opening montage was a beautiful troll, all this talk about how great they are followed by a convincing defeat, lovely stuff.  Could have amended it but I think they thought "Fuck it, these fans have made tits of themselves, let's show it". Also they are top of the league, they are the story of the season so far and whilst it was clear to anyone with any football nous they'd regress at some point, the only team with a 100% record has to be addressed so the focus would always be on them. Two ex Everton pundits? So what? Both are on there regularly anyway so who cares. They made a point of praising us first. Like I said, if you're sat watching that show and are outraged then you need to get a grip. Just enjoy the fact we've upset the apple cart a bit and enjoy that everyone's spent the first few weeks wanking over Everton and the comedown will be enjoyable. 

[OldNick]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

People moaning about MOTD2 need to get a grip. I thought the opening montage was a beautiful troll, all this talk about how great they are followed by a convincing defeat, lovely stuff.  Could have amended it but I think they thought "Fuck it, these fans have made tits of themselves, let's show it". Also they are top of the league, they are the story of the season so far and whilst it was clear to anyone with any football nous they'd regress at some point, the only team with a 100% record has to be addressed so the focus would always be on them. Two ex Everton pundits? So what? Both are on there regularly anyway so who cares. They made a point of praising us first. Like I said, if you're sat watching that show and are outraged then you need to get a grip. Just enjoy the fact we've upset the apple cart a bit and enjoy that everyone's spent the first few weeks wanking over Everton and the comedown will be enjoyable. 

How was Arsenal Leicester the first game when it ended 1-0? Our game had the league leaders being beaten, 2 -0 and a red card.Im glad I didnt stay up waiting for the programme and as for 2 Everton pundits! Chappers did try to even it out but BBC impartiality really is a non thing nowadays

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, OldNick said:

How was Arsenal Leicester the first game when it ended 1-0? Our game had the league leaders being beaten, 2 -0 and a red card.Im glad I didnt stay up waiting for the programme and as for 2 Everton pundits! Chappers did try to even it out but BBC impartiality really is a non thing nowadays

Because it was probably the least viewed game of the day and probably the one most people tuned in for and again...who actually gives a fuck about being first on MOTD.  You all watched the game previously and the game you likely didn't watch was on first. Perfect.

Edited 26 October, 2020 by Fabrice29

[OldNick]

Oh and listening to Ryan Bertrand in the weekend pod on BBC was pretty good, as they said to him did he know it was a year since the 9-0, with him replying did they have a cake and balloons. He also said did they also report the anniversary of the 8-0 v Sunderland . He spoke well about the club

[OldNick]

Did you tune in for the Arsenal game then? I doubt many Arsenal fans did either. Anyway its not about that its about impartiality as it often said that the sequence is down to the importance, amount of goals scored and incident.