Smirking_Saint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 16 minutes ago, JxgrSaint said: Well the Premier League just brought in these new related party sponsorship rules. Think the crux of them is that all deals with related parties have to be independently assessed as being done at fair value to stop Newcastle doing a City. That ruling hasn’t been ratified yet I don’t believe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 I "think" this is good news, but does anyone else feel rather comforted by the fact that Katharina is sticking around? It seems that the new group would have preferred her to walk, but I really think she takes "protecting her Father's legacy" very seriously. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Would like to see both Semmens and Crocker remain at the club, but suspect they might overlap with roles that Ankersen and Kraft see for themselves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 How big is our debt these days? Might explain the relatively low asking price (in addition to Gao's desire to sell). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Brentford have rinsed the Scandinavian market and have eight Danes alone just looking at their squad on Wiki. I wouldn't mind us going back to doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dman said: Of course it makes a difference. To run a successful group of clubs which are looking to compete in Europe, you’ll need to spend around £500m over 4/5 seasons (you’re probably looking 3/400m alone for a club just in the PL - including purchase). That’s roughly of his net worth, where as 500m is minimal to someone of the worth of £10B. This transfer window it won’t, but over a prolonged period of time it’ll make a difference. Personally, I’m expecting more of the same from this guy, but hopefully a little more astute in the transfer market. For me he doesn’t appear wealthy enough to be a premier league owner, but Fingers crossed we’ll have a little more wiggle room in the market and will have capacity to break our current 20m price bracket on players. Not hopeful of that, but let’s wait and see. If Semmens / Crooker stay at the club in some capacity; I don’t see any real down side though, perhaps just not as good as was hoping. You can't just spend £500m over 4/5 seasons from your net worth. The club needs to generate it. Thats why Everton suddenly have 0 money to spend. Same will happen to Villa in the next year. We need to generate more money. The amount of money we generate is sufficiently low that any money he might want to pump into the club will be low compared to his net worth, that's what I ment with the FFP wiggle room comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 41 minutes ago, TWar said: This was kind of my point... Owner net worth doesn't make much difference. Our FFP wiggle room is like £35m due to lack of the above things, given that it makes little difference if he has £1bn or £10bn. This is proven by the fact that Palace, Wolves and Villa have richer owners than United, Spurs and Liverpool. I get it but have to say Palace Wolves and Villa all are having a more exciting time than us these days. I'd welcome us being able to buy the quality of players Wolves have bought for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Just now, Badger said: Would like to see both Semmens and Crocker remain at the club, but suspect they might overlap with roles that Ankersen and Kraft see for themselves. I get the impression (and this is just an assumption) that Ankersen is there to oversee the group rather than a specific club, with Kraft there to run the club. Certainly seems like it’ll be a step down or at least less responsibility for semmens. Who knows, that might be what he’s after? If not; I’m sure he’ll find himself a nice job elsewhere. I’d imagine there would be a few football clubs who’d have him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said: What do we know about Henrik Kraft? cc: @trousers @Matthew Le God In this 2021 interview, Kraft talks about investing in three companies in professional football, citing transfers, scouting and physical performance. The latter seems to be Sportlight. He was I/c the 2013 KKR deal to buy United from Solak, so has worked with him for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Hopefully we are stabilised now, I will remain cautious but it all seems good to me. Up the fucking saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 I think the magic word is "billionaire." I know that he may not want to spend his money on us but hopefully this meana that at this price it is not a leveraged buyout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Just now, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: I get it but have to say Palace Wolves and Villa all are having a more exciting time than us these days. I'd welcome us being able to buy the quality of players Wolves have bought for example Yeah I hope it pushes us up to that level spendingwise. I also think Villa are about to spend a bit less now, having seen their FFP situation. Wolves can dodge regulations with Mendes' dodgy dealings. Palace are spending well this season but the previous few they seemed very underfunded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dman said: I get the impression (and this is just an assumption) that Ankersen is there to oversee the group rather than a specific club, with Kraft there to run the club. Certainly seems like it’ll be a step down or at least less responsibility for semmens. Who knows, that might be what he’s after? If not; I’m sure he’ll find himself a nice job elsewhere. I’d imagine there would be a few football clubs who’d have him. That’s how I see it re the group role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dman said: I get the impression (and this is just an assumption) that Ankersen is there to oversee the group rather than a specific club, with Kraft there to run the club. Certainly seems like it’ll be a step down or at least less responsibility for semmens. Who knows, that might be what he’s after? If not; I’m sure he’ll find himself a nice job elsewhere. I’d imagine there would be a few football clubs who’d have him. I imagine we will get more specifics at 4pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Sticky mods???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 6 minutes ago, CanadaSaint said: I "think" this is good news, but does anyone else feel rather comforted by the fact that Katharina is sticking around? It seems that the new group would have preferred her to walk, but I really think she takes "protecting her Father's legacy" very seriously. As soon as the right offer comes in, which this probably wasn’t, she will almost definitely be off. Was always the plan with Gao but he never really had the money to buy the remaining shares. I couldn’t care less though if this is actual investment from people looking at a long term impact. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 (edited) Just now, Sheaf Saint said: Sticky mods???? What they get up to in their own time is none of our business. Reserving judgement on this takeover, but the involvement of the Brentford chap is giving me hope that this is well intentioned. Edited 4 January, 2022 by Colinjb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 (edited) I'm just excited to hear something from the new owners, after 4 years of total silence from Gao. Edited 4 January, 2022 by Sheaf Saint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 2 minutes ago, TWar said: Yeah I hope it pushes us up to that level spendingwise. I also think Villa are about to spend a bit less now, having seen their FFP situation. Wolves can dodge regulations with Mendes' dodgy dealings. Palace are spending well this season but the previous few they seemed very underfunded. I’m sure I read recently that wolves need to sell in this window if they want to buy. So the FFP stuff is now hitting them it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Sticky mods???? They probably are 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: The point you have missed is not whether or not FT was talking bollocks, it was that you feel that you are so important that your endorsement should make a difference. The credit goes to FT for getting it right, not to you for backing him up. The important thing here is the news, not your attempt to make it all about you again. I thought it was useful when Turkish said this might have legs - made me pay more attention to it all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Just now, Toadhall Saint said: I’m sure I read recently that wolves need to sell in this window if they want to buy. So the FFP stuff is now hitting them it would seem. Yeah sounds true to me. They are the shadiest club honestly. They sign a bunch of top players for way under their normal asking price then suddenly drop £40m on a random teenaged striker who barely plays. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 1 hour ago, Billy the Kidd said: Thought you get ultra pissy if anyone gets personal or sweary at you. You seem to always call it out. You called him a prick the other day. At least be consistent on this. There were people saying FT was full of shit and making it up, as i know the guy in real life i simply said he's a good guy and does have connections. Somehow this bellend has tried to make out it was me being self important and giving him me seal of approval. It just shows what a prick he is that he would even think that and an insight into his mindset, he obviously thinks that way. I see that the some of other bellends on here have waded in, probably without even knowing what the point was but just seen it was someone having a pop at me, of which you are one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Ralph Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Sounds good to me. Why would the Director of Football leave Brentford unless the new owners have good ambitions - obviously money may play a part but I would have thought that reputation is important. Also if this guy owns the rights to the Premier League in the Balkans I would suspect he wants to invest to improve the watchability 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 2 minutes ago, Turkish said: There were people saying FT was full of shit and making it up, as i know the guy in real life i simply said he's a good guy and does have connections. Somehow this bellend has tried to make out it was me being self important and giving him me seal of approval. It just shows what a prick he is that he would even think that and an insight into his mindset, he obviously thinks that way. I see that the some of other bellends on here have waded in, probably without even knowing what the point was but just seen it was someone having a pop at me, of which you are one. Calm it down son. It's a good day. No need to go out calling everyone "pricks" and "bellends". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said: Sounds good to me. Why would the Director of Football leave Brentford unless the new owners have good ambitions - obviously money may play a part but I would have thought that reputation is important. Also if this guy owns the rights to the Premier League in the Balkans I would suspect he wants to invest to improve the watchability I think it's the chance to be leading football strategy at a multi club group rather than just one. He'll have people working beneath him at each club doing his old role Edited 4 January, 2022 by Ex Lion Tamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Being super lazy and not wanting to read through multiple pages - what is the consensus amongst you lot on here? I'm definitely encouraged by Rasmus Ankerson's involvement, maybe his goal was to replicate what he was doing at Brentford at a higher scale/budget? I haven't managed to see much regarding the financial strength of this Dragon fella, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Just now, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: I thought it was useful when Turkish said this might have legs - made me pay more attention to it all. thanks Golac, i didn't even really say that though, just that i know FT in real life and he's not one to make stuff up or start unfounded rumours when others on here were saying it was BS. It seems that sticking up for someone now constitutes trying to take the credit and arrogantly giving them my seal of approval. I think what it has show though is what a bellend Soggy is 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 1 minute ago, TWar said: Calm it down son. It's a good day. No need to go out calling everyone "pricks" and "bellends". It's a great day and i'm calm, just laughing at Soggy, he's made himself look very silly yet again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Just now, Saint Matty 76 said: Being super lazy and not wanting to read through multiple pages - what is the consensus amongst you lot on here? I'm definitely encouraged by Rasmus Ankerson's involvement, maybe his goal was to replicate what he was doing at Brentford at a higher scale/budget? I haven't managed to see much regarding the financial strength of this Dragon fella, however. Looks ok from what detail is out there (which isn’t a lot). Need to understand how it’s being financed ie is a leaveraged loan or a straight purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 1 hour ago, Fitzhugh Fella said: To be honest this forum only exists for Turkish and his ego these days. Oh look another one Have you started slagging off this owner yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 (edited) Unless the timing was forced by Gao's situation, I wouldn't buy a club at the opening of the window unless I would be able to make a positive splash by doing something in it. If that's not possible, for FFP reasons or because I donn't have the extra cash, I'd wait until the window closes. Or is that too simplistic? Edited 4 January, 2022 by CanadaSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 4 minutes ago, Turkish said: There were people saying FT was full of shit and making it up, as i know the guy in real life i simply said he's a good guy and does have connections. Somehow this bellend has tried to make out it was me being self important and giving him me seal of approval. It just shows what a prick he is that he would even think that and an insight into his mindset, he obviously thinks that way. I see that the some of other bellends on here have waded in, probably without even knowing what the point was but just seen it was someone having a pop at me, of which you are one. So you are missing what I said, to suit your agenda... so, so, so very Turkish. So I am one of these? Without you seemingly reading what I said, which was about you resorting for name calling and swearing, which you like to piss your little knickers at when that happens at you. That was the only thing i posted. nothing more, nothing less. So, let's not do your usual thing of twisting shit. Anyhow, Im off to be happy and moist at the takeover and signings. Hope you enjoy it too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 3 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: Looks ok from what detail is out there (which isn’t a lot). Need to understand how it’s being financed ie is a leaveraged loan or a straight purchase. Appreciate it! Hopefully get some more information from Blackmore at 4pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 8 minutes ago, Turkish said: There were people saying FT was full of shit and making it up, as i know the guy in real life i simply said he's a good guy and does have connections. Somehow this bellend has tried to make out it was me being self important and giving him me seal of approval. It just shows what a prick he is that he would even think that and an insight into his mindset, he obviously thinks that way. I see that the some of other bellends on here have waded in, probably without even knowing what the point was but just seen it was someone having a pop at me, of which you are one. that was exactly how i read your post. you new the guy making the claims and that he was unlikely to make shit up. seemed reasonable comment to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 For the love of God, please can we leave the pathetic squabbling out of this of all threads? 35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 4 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: Being super lazy and not wanting to read through multiple pages - what is the consensus amongst you lot on here? I'm definitely encouraged by Rasmus Ankerson's involvement, maybe his goal was to replicate what he was doing at Brentford at a higher scale/budget? I haven't managed to see much regarding the financial strength of this Dragon fella, however. There's not enough info out there yet, but there has to be an improvement from this to a degree. The involvement of Rasmus shows that they're building a football vision, not just purchasing a club for reputation or $$$. That's in my eyes anyway. Interesting reading the Brentford forums who are very complementary of Rasmus, although some of their fans are already saying that 'Phil Giles' is the guy who masterminded their success, not Rasmus. That feels a little bit sour grapes to me though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Just now, wild-saint said: that was exactly how i read your post. you new the guy making the claims and that he was unlikely to make shit up. seemed reasonable comment to me. Yep an honest opinion on someone he knows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Just now, S-Clarke said: There's not enough info out there yet, but there has to be an improvement from this to a degree. The involvement of Rasmus shows that they're building a football vision, not just purchasing a club for reputation or $$$. That's in my eyes anyway. Interesting reading the Brentford forums who are very complementary of Rasmus, although some of their fans are already saying that 'Phil Giles' is the guy who masterminded their success, not Rasmus. That feels a little bit sour grapes to me though. Perhaps we can pinch him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 5 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: Looks ok from what detail is out there (which isn’t a lot). Need to understand how it’s being financed ie is a leaveraged loan or a straight purchase. Hopefully it's such a low buy price that part of the deal includes wiping the debt, fingers crossed anyway. £100m is crazy low for an 80% stake in a premier league club and huge loss for Goa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 my first reaction is, why isn't this a sticky yet?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 1 minute ago, S-Clarke said: There's not enough info out there yet, but there has to be an improvement from this to a degree. The involvement of Rasmus shows that they're building a football vision, not just purchasing a club for reputation or $$$. That's in my eyes anyway. Interesting reading the Brentford forums who are very complementary of Rasmus, although some of their fans are already saying that 'Phil Giles' is the guy who masterminded their success, not Rasmus. That feels a little bit sour grapes to me though. This is interesting and made me think of the utter shambles surrounding the Newcastle takeover - utter clusterfuck with seemingly no strategy whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 3 minutes ago, Turkish said: Oh look another one Have you started slagging off this owner yet? or started the campaign to bring back Sam Gallagher? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 Марширамо даље Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Hopefully it's such a low buy price that part of the deal includes wiping the debt, fingers crossed anyway. £100m is crazy low for an 80% stake in a premier league club and huge loss for Goa. Cash up front to a desperate seller? Edited 4 January, 2022 by Toadhall Saint Buyer/seller bah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 27 minutes ago, DT said: Interesting timing re the 4 recent points giving us more assuredness on safety and transfer window opening. Wonder if it would have happened if we had lost both games I dont think a 100m deal would hinge on getting a pont at home to Spurs. I suggest this has been months not days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 1 minute ago, badgerx16 said: Марширамо даље Easy for you to say 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Hopefully it's such a low buy price that part of the deal includes wiping the debt, fingers crossed anyway. £100m is crazy low for an 80% stake in a premier league club and huge loss for Goa. It is! Christ, if Gao had let us know he'd accept as low as that we could have had a whip round on here and bought it ourselves 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 10 minutes ago, Turkish said: It's a great day and i'm calm, just laughing at Soggy, he's made himself look very silly yet again First one to have a little cry whenever someone uses bad language in your direction though aren't you - hypocrite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 January, 2022 Share Posted 4 January, 2022 1 minute ago, Billy the Kidd said: This is interesting and made me think of the utter shambles surrounding the Newcastle takeover - utter clusterfuck with seemingly no strategy whatsoever. They're going down the route of $$$$$$$$$$$$$, and it will ultimately buy them a lot of success - albeit very manufactured. We'll probably go down the route of earning any success we get through clever buys and shrewd sales, which is ultimately more fun and more of a ride. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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