Red Posted 25 April, 2021 Share Posted 25 April, 2021 On 23/04/2021 at 22:51, Toadhall Saint said: Finally! No one (in there right minds) wants to buy us why would they? This is exactly the time a sound businessman would buy us - assuming we avoid relegation this season. The opportunity cost is when things are low/bad, you buy a club/business at bottom dollar, make some sound investment in club, management (board and manager), players and infrastructure and grow the business/club. This is exactly what ML did and look at the turn around before he sadly passed away, and others with less interest, motivation and drive let it slide subsequently. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 25 April, 2021 Share Posted 25 April, 2021 On 23/04/2021 at 20:29, EBS1980 said: The CEO of Spotify tweeted to buy out KSE. If only we had wealthy fans who would offer to do the same! We have. We've got er...Ed Chamberlain and Lucy Pinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 25 April, 2021 Share Posted 25 April, 2021 3 hours ago, JustinSFC said: We have. We've got er...Ed Chamberlain and Lucy Pinder. I think at least one of those two has some significant assets. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 25 April, 2021 Share Posted 25 April, 2021 6 hours ago, JustinSFC said: We have. We've got er...Ed Chamberlain and Lucy Pinder. Or Rishi Sunak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 25 April, 2021 Share Posted 25 April, 2021 On 23/04/2021 at 17:51, Toadhall Saint said: Finally! No one (in there right minds) wants to buy us why would they? Same reason buyers were interested in Newcastle or Burnley I suspect. What exactly is it that makes us an unattractive purchase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 25 April, 2021 Share Posted 25 April, 2021 I reckon things will start moving when our Premier League status is safe. We’ll be sold 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 25 April, 2021 Share Posted 25 April, 2021 I don’t see us being bought any time soon, nor do I foresee another Markus Leibherr type owner that would be willing to invest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 25 April, 2021 Share Posted 25 April, 2021 1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said: I reckon things will start moving when our Premier League status is safe. We’ll be sold 100%. Based on what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 April, 2021 Share Posted 25 April, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: I don’t see us being bought any time soon, nor do I foresee another Markus Leibherr type owner that would be willing to invest. Leibherr bought us for £13m with the objective of investing, say £50m to get us back to the premier league so his investment would be worth £200m. He didn’t buy us and invest because he was a great guy and loved the fans, he did it because he has a club of premier league revenue potential available at an incredible bargain price where he could treble his money on a few years Edited 25 April, 2021 by Turkish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 25 April, 2021 Share Posted 25 April, 2021 I think it’s more the fact we need to compete, and based on this second half of the season it can’t come soon enough. We cannot keep “building for the future”, too much wasted money, we’re shocking, this second half of the season has been poor and these players are a lot worse than they think. Im very much Ralph in but any other manager would’ve gone by now. He needs help, and investment, desperately. Clear the deadwood and those that don’t want to be there. Ings and Bertrand negotiations have rumbled on long enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 25 April, 2021 Share Posted 25 April, 2021 8 minutes ago, Turkish said: Leibherr bought us for £13m with the objective of investing, say £50m to get us back to the premier league so his investment would be worth £200m. He didn’t buy us and invest because he was a great guy and loved the fans, he did it because he has a club of premier league revenue potential available at an incredible bargain price where he could treble his money on a few years Yep. Hardly any value in a club like us. What realistically could we achieve without stupid money being spent? Europa league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 25 April, 2021 Share Posted 25 April, 2021 I don’t know much about how it works, but I wonder if the talk of 50 + 1 fan ownership? Would play a factor in any new investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 25 April, 2021 Share Posted 25 April, 2021 1 hour ago, SKD said: I don’t know much about how it works, but I wonder if the talk of 50 + 1 fan ownership? Would play a factor in any new investment. I doubt it, I can't see it ever happening over here in reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, SKD said: Yep. Hardly any value in a club like us. What realistically could we achieve without stupid money being spent? Europa league? Indeed. The only people who will be interested in buying us are chancers / charlatans / Walter Mitty types (Gao, those Yanks at Burnley etc.) or mega billionaires / state investment funds. Sadly, the former are more common than the latter. Clearly the Saudis were keen on a club but if they can get approval they'll just go back to Newcastle and, frankly, who wants to be owned by a country? Our best hope is Craig David doing a Dr Dre. There is no sensible business reason whatsoever for anyone to buy a middling Premier League football club. Edited 26 April, 2021 by benjii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 7 hours ago, supersonic said: I doubt it, I can't see it ever happening over here in reality I agree, the legal battle from all the club owners would stop it in its tracks I think, we are too far down the river for this to happen. Do you think now our sale will happen quicker the super league thing has been swatted away for now? My concern is we try to sell the club too quickly, to the wrong buyer again. Sounds familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, benjii said: Indeed. The only people who will be interested in buying us are chancers / charlatans / Walter Mitty types (Gao, those Yanks at Burnley etc.) or mega billionaires / state investment funds. Sadly, the former are more common than the latter. Clearly the Saudis were keen on a club but if they can get approval they'll just go back to Newcastle and, frankly, who wants to be owned by a country? Our best hope is Craig David doing a Dr Dre. There is no sensible business reason whatsoever for anyone to buy a middling Premier League football club. There is sensible business reasons that involve real estate, and this would have to have potential to grow and expand a City, it's where the mega bucks comes into play. I dont know enough about the development opportunities in Southampton as far as planning at the Council go, but I'd imagine all the ground around the club could be purchased, with existing business relocated, and a major development built around the ground at some point. Edited 26 April, 2021 by Billy the Kidd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintMB Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 2 hours ago, Billy the Kidd said: I agree, the legal battle from all the club owners would stop it in its tracks I think, we are too far down the river for this to happen. Do you think now our sale will happen quicker the super league thing has been swatted away for now? My concern is we try to sell the club too quickly, to the wrong buyer again. Sounds familiar. As quick as he can, the owner will sell up. It’ll go to whoever is prepared to remove this albatross from his neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 39 minutes ago, SaintMB said: As quick as he can, the owner will sell up. It’ll go to whoever is prepared to remove this albatross from his neck. Yeah, i had a similar thinking. Here is to hoping so at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 4 hours ago, Billy the Kidd said: There is sensible business reasons that involve real estate, and this would have to have potential to grow and expand a City, it's where the mega bucks comes into play. I dont know enough about the development opportunities in Southampton as far as planning at the Council go, but I'd imagine all the ground around the club could be purchased, with existing business relocated, and a major development built around the ground at some point. I used to think similar but someone once asked why they’d need to buy the football club to develop around it? Perhaps someone knows the answer to that, but I don’t. My opinion is the best we can hope for is an investor whose business plan is based on us staying the the top flight. If someone will spend enough to ensure that, then we may get the odd Koeman season thrown in. The worst thing that can happen is what Randy Lerner did to Villa, throw money at it before pulling out when he realised how much more was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I used to think similar but someone once asked why they’d need to buy the football club to develop around it? Perhaps someone knows the answer to that, but I don’t. My opinion is the best we can hope for is an investor whose business plan is based on us staying the the top flight. If someone will spend enough to ensure that, then we may get the odd Koeman season thrown in. The worst thing that can happen is what Randy Lerner did to Villa, throw money at it before pulling out when he realised how much more was needed. Or someone who has a network of clubs and wants a PL club as his crown Jewell. RB or that bloke from Nice. We’ll end up with some noddy, with no money though, as per usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 15 minutes ago, SKD said: and wants a PL club as his crown Jewell. Is this a cryptic clue, consortium headed by Paul Jewell or something? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 That Ek Spotify guy is moving quick on Arsenal. Sky Sports app on my phone has him plotting a takeover within days of that tweet. This is how real money men move. They don't just talk a good chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 25 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I used to think similar but someone once asked why they’d need to buy the football club to develop around it? Perhaps someone knows the answer to that, but I don’t. One possible reason would be that once the area is gentrified, much of the industry has been moved out (which is in the pipeline/already happening) and the riverside opened up and developed, then that bit of land that the stadium sits on would be quite valuable - you could get a lot of apartments on there. That would of course be dependent on being able to find a cheap piece of land to build a new (cheap) stadium on elsewhere. Easy! There have been similar rumours of Gao's intentions for getting involved in the first place but obviously not worked out well for him if anything in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 9 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: That Ek Spotify guy is moving quick on Arsenal. Sky Sports app on my phone has him plotting a takeover within days of that tweet. This is how real money men move. They don't just talk a good chat. To be fair, I think it’s just Sky making a story out of a tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 20 hours ago, StDunko said: I think at least one of those two has some significant assets. Probably a bit lower than they used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 4 minutes ago, SKD said: To be fair, I think it’s just Sky making a story out of a tweet. Yeah probs. The blokes got the money though no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 2 minutes ago, ecuk268 said: Probably a bit lower than they used to be. God help me if my girlfriends brothers read this forum but i still would. Bumped into her loads of times in various places. That's my claim to fame. 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I used to think similar but someone once asked why they’d need to buy the football club to develop around it? Perhaps someone knows the answer to that, but I don’t. My opinion is the best we can hope for is an investor whose business plan is based on us staying the the top flight. If someone will spend enough to ensure that, then we may get the odd Koeman season thrown in. The worst thing that can happen is what Randy Lerner did to Villa, throw money at it before pulling out when he realised how much more was needed. I worked for a number of years for a property company in London. They dont really needs it, but some ivestors like to create mini villages with community, mixed use for resi/commercials, so think hi-rise swanky apartments with retail on the ground floor. Isnt there a 'marina' as such a short bit away from the ground, they could turn that into something pretty good with investment. A lot of also goes on what the strategy on the local council will be also, what they are looking to invest in etc. And yep, we do need to be careful on what we get after Gao, not sure if im more nervous of that or facing Leciester on a Fri night. Edited 26 April, 2021 by Billy the Kidd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 8 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said: I worked for a number of years for a property company in London. They dont really needs it, but some ivestors like to create mini villages with community, mixed use for resi/commercials, so think hi-rise swanky apartments with retail on the ground floor. Isnt there a 'marina' as such a short bit away from the ground, they could turn that into something pretty good with investment. A lot of also goes on what the strategy on the local council will be also, what they are looking to invest in etc. And yep, we do need to be careful on what we get after Gao, not sure if im more nervous of that or facing Leciester on a Fri night. But again, why do they need to spend 200m on a football club (plus investment to just stand still) for them to do this? It doesn’t make sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 1 hour ago, JustinSFC said: God help me if my girlfriends brothers read this forum but i still would. They'd probably be flattered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 47 minutes ago, SKD said: But again, why do they need to spend 200m on a football club (plus investment to just stand still) for them to do this? It doesn’t make sense. Well, maybe it wont happen, it was just a suggestion, but these types of investment deals are regularly discussed with corporate investors. Im pretty sure it helps grease wheel with councils for planning and such also. For example I work for a company whos ultimate parent company is owned by the guy who runs Villa. His set of firms, and there are 100s of them, literally do so much it is unreal. From real estate, supplying governments, football clubs etc. Companies now-days play are strategic longer term game. There was a new article i think about Wolves ownership and how they spin their web really wide for networking. If it did, the club has long been trying to operate in a sustainable manner, which is possible if done correctly, and there are lots of upsides for these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 16 hours ago, Turkish said: Leibherr bought us for £13m with the objective of investing, say £50m to get us back to the premier league so his investment would be worth £200m. He didn’t buy us and invest because he was a great guy and loved the fans, he did it because he has a club of premier league revenue potential available at an incredible bargain price where he could treble his money on a few years A tad unfair, he seemed genuinely pleased to support Saints and rarely missed a match. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 3 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: A tad unfair, he seemed genuinely pleased to support Saints and rarely missed a match. Both things can be true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 2 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Both things can be true. Exactly. He supported the club because he had a vested interest in it. We done well, so did he. I think Marcus was one of the good guys, but ultimately he still was a business man. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 On 24/04/2021 at 03:29, EBS1980 said: The CEO of Spotify tweeted to buy out KSE. If only we had wealthy fans who would offer to do the same! looks like he has the backing of some Arsenal legends too, the fans will want this. Can't wait for Neil Heaney, Craig Maskell et al to do the same for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 26 April, 2021 Share Posted 26 April, 2021 12 hours ago, SKD said: But again, why do they need to spend 200m on a football club (plus investment to just stand still) for them to do this? It doesn’t make sense. They don't. It's just nonsense. There are so many grim, under-developed bits of the city that I suspect the council would bite the hand of anyone who agreed to clear them of industrial contaminants, let alone build mixed used developments on them. They're not holding any property developers to ransom over ownership of saints. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 27 April, 2021 Share Posted 27 April, 2021 Are there any owners of other clubs who have vested interest in surrounding property, that is excluding hotels etc attached to the ground?. Not making a point, just interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 27 April, 2021 Share Posted 27 April, 2021 Like I said previously, it may not be viable, some investors would look at that type of development which includes buying the club, other, different types of investor also just look at standard investment portfolios, sale & leasebacks, that part of stuff. I was only saying it could be an option for someone, alternatively we may just be looking for an investor to purchase the club with no real estate angle. Everton are doing something similar i believe around the development of the Wharf or whatever it is, and didnt Chelsea do some hotels and stuff also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 27 April, 2021 Share Posted 27 April, 2021 5 hours ago, Billy the Kidd said: Like I said previously, it may not be viable, some investors would look at that type of development which includes buying the club, other, different types of investor also just look at standard investment portfolios, sale & leasebacks, that part of stuff. I was only saying it could be an option for someone, alternatively we may just be looking for an investor to purchase the club with no real estate angle. Everton are doing something similar i believe around the development of the Wharf or whatever it is, and didnt Chelsea do some hotels and stuff also? As I understand it Everton have been given permission to build a £500m stadium on redundant port land in Liverpool. Any supporting developments will be by third parties I think. However it seems that Everton dont want to capitalise any revenue from selling the Goodison Park site and intend to retain it for community projects associated with the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 April, 2021 Share Posted 27 April, 2021 (edited) Gérard Lopez Linked with a possible bid for Saints in this podcast... https://www.spreaker.com/user/12250300/tottenham-lose-nagelsmann-consider-south Edited 27 April, 2021 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted 27 April, 2021 Share Posted 27 April, 2021 7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Gérard Lopez Linked with a possible bid for Saints in this podcast... https://www.spreaker.com/user/12250300/tottenham-lose-nagelsmann-consider-south Yes. Low net worth individual who ‘stepped down’ as CEO of Lille when JP Morgan lost faith that he’d be able to manage the repayment of their £200m loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 27 April, 2021 Share Posted 27 April, 2021 http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2020/12/16/lille-owner-lopez-parts-company-club-us-money-pulls-rank-reports/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 April, 2021 Share Posted 27 April, 2021 Can he bring the Lille scouting department with him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 27 April, 2021 Share Posted 27 April, 2021 18 minutes ago, saint1977 said: http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2020/12/16/lille-owner-lopez-parts-company-club-us-money-pulls-rank-reports/ Sounds like another chancer like Da Grosa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 27 April, 2021 Share Posted 27 April, 2021 He sounds perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 April, 2021 Share Posted 27 April, 2021 Is he basically Cortese? Puts in a great infrastructure, but not his money. All goes Pete Tong when the money dries up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 April, 2021 Share Posted 27 April, 2021 8 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: Is he basically Cortese? Puts in a great infrastructure, but not his money. All goes Pete Tong when the money dries up. Things actually got better after Cortese left... and then worse again 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 27 April, 2021 Share Posted 27 April, 2021 Lopez almost ruined Lotus F1 racing team also. sold them onto Renault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 27 April, 2021 Share Posted 27 April, 2021 46 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: Is he basically Cortese? Puts in a great infrastructure, but not his money. All goes Pete Tong when the money dries up. He's more like a Laurence Bassini than Cortese. I think the conduit was that Cortese was Markus Liebherrs personal banker and I read that's how it came about. I don't think he was a high net worth individual himself. Anyway, this bloke is a prick and like the bloke above said he got booted out of F1 more or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 28 April, 2021 Share Posted 28 April, 2021 14 hours ago, saint1977 said: http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2020/12/16/lille-owner-lopez-parts-company-club-us-money-pulls-rank-reports/ Doing well though ain't they Lille....and the money issues look worse caused by the TV deal being pulled? *clutches at straws* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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