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[miserableoldgit]

2 hours ago, SaintNewForest said:

Les was very under appreciated in those early days; we all hear about Cortese this, Cortese that but Reed was a huge part of those early years, double promotions & europe ... it's a shame it went sour at the end and clouded the contributions he made to the club when people evaluate and judge his time here.

This is how these things work......selective memory. I don't quite get the Steve Cooper thing. A man who was sacked twice in a matter of months wouldn't normally be a fans favourite for the job here.....quite the opposite.......but....what do I know?

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, SaintNewForest said:

Les was very under appreciated in those early days; we all hear about Cortese this, Cortese that but Reed was a huge part of those early years, double promotions & europe ... it's a shame it went sour at the end and clouded the contributions he made to the club when people evaluate and judge his time here.

 

3 hours ago, Badger said:

This would be an important step in my book. Happy to have Spors for  recruitment and other areas of the back room works, would be pleased by the appointment of a good coach from Europe (Rohl for example), so by no means is it a Little Englander stance, but I’d like to see someone as you describe a proven UK Director who understands the club, supporters etc. 

If you go back, when Liebherr and Cortese arrived they had Andy Oldknow for local knowledge and understanding of the game here. Admittedly replaced early on. I think NC appointed Les Reed around this time. And despite how he was perceived later on with us, I suspect his early contribution was vital. 

Yep, in the early days Reed was the filter for Cortese. There were a few times when Reed was absolutely vital at holding it together behind the scenes. For example after the Reading home game which we lost 3-1 Cortese lost his shit and was going to sack Adkins there and then but didn't because Reed calmed him down, however from that moment Adkins knew he was a dead man walking. Reed was also key to some of the signings back then, despite what Cortese would have everyone believe. 

Reeds issues started when he got a bit more power and thought he had cracked the code of selling and buying cheap, it worked for a while with Koemans pull and kudos but when he was running things without a strong manager to work with and an absent chairman in Kruger things started to go down the pan. Although he looks a genius in comparison to the current lot.

Edited 4 hours ago by Turkish

[leesaint88]

26 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

This is how these things work......selective memory. I don't quite get the Steve Cooper thing. A man who was sacked twice in a matter of months wouldn't normally be a fans favourite for the job here.....quite the opposite.......but....what do I know?

 I think he's a realistic target for a club like us, he's had reasonable success in the division and could probably build a team which will work hard and grind out results. I know a lot of fans like Rohl, but watching a few Wednesday games this season they've looked a little iffy at times and the performance against Burnley a few weeks back was woeful.

[CB Fry]

3 hours ago, miserableoldgit said:

This is how these things work......selective memory. I don't quite get the Steve Cooper thing. A man who was sacked twice in a matter of months wouldn't normally be a fans favourite for the job here.....quite the opposite.......but....what do I know?

Well, he did a better job in the Championship than Russell Martin getting Forest up with far less resources and he did a hell of a lot better than Martin in the Premier League with both Forest and Leicester.

Yes he was sacked but he was miles ahead and achieved miles more than Martin who was being drooled over on here as Bayern Munich-bound Champions League genius level mega manager.

Edited 1 hour ago by CB Fry

[Turkish]

25 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Well, he did a better job in the Championship than Russell Martin getting Forest up with far less resources and he did a hell of a lot better than Martin in the Premier League with both Forest and Leicester.

Yes he was sacked but he was miles ahead and achieved miles more than Martin who was being drooled over on here as Bayern Munich-bound Champions League genius level mega manager.

Sacked by Leicester 16th place with 10 points from 12 games, now 19th with 7 points from their last 15 since Van Nistleroy came in. Got Forest promoted and kept them up in his first season, never finished outside the play offs in the championship. Has achieved way more than Russ has and surely would be at the front of the queue for any club looking to get promoted out of the championship. Still what do i know.

Edited 41 minutes ago by Turkish

[Dusic]

I'm certainly not disputing Cooper's achievement with Forest but personally find him so dull and uninspiring.

One thing Russell Martin did well was galvanise a club that had just been relegated and in part that was due to personality, media handling etc.

We will definitely need that from whoever takes over (and its one thing Juric has massively failed on).

Personally don't see Cooper as that type.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Dusic said:

I'm certainly not disputing Cooper's achievement with Forest but personally find him so dull and uninspiring.

One thing Russell Martin did well was galvanise a club that had just been relegated and in part that was due to personality, media handling etc.

We will definitely need that from whoever takes over (and its one thing Juric has massively failed on).

Personally don't see Cooper as that type.

It was due to results, as he was an arse in the media to be fair 

[Dusic]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It was due to results, as he was an arse in the media to be fair 

Not with fans by and large though. And certainly handled the summer period very well. With players also.

[E_H_Saints]

 Manager

Premier League wins at Southampton

Ralph Hasenhuttl

47

Ruben Selles

2

Nathan Jones

1

Russell Martin

1

Ivan Juric

1

Simon Rusk (interim)

0

Pretty depressing when you think about it.