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FarehamSaintJames

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Can’t help but starting to get the feeling that Sport Republic aren’t actually that wealthy.

They had the opportunity to own a big club on the world stage through the Premier League.

But the whole time their level has been a mediocre club in an inferior league.

Thus using the Premier League clubs finance to finance the more “affordable club” in their so called model.

Let’s be honest, these players that’s Eve signed and sent to Turkey are never going to play for Saints. It’s all about saving costs and getting around finances in a sneaky way through the multi club model.

Saints will just be asset stripped and fleeced over time.

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5 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Can’t help but starting to get the feeling that Sport Republic aren’t actually that wealthy.

They had the opportunity to own a big club on the world stage through the Premier League.

But the whole time their level has been a mediocre club in an inferior league.

Thus using the Premier League clubs finance to finance the more “affordable club” in their so called model.

Let’s be honest, these players that’s Eve signed and sent to Turkey are never going to play for Saints. It’s all about saving costs and getting around finances in a sneaky way through the multi club model.

Saints will just be asset stripped and fleeced over time.

The penny is dropping rapidly within our fanbase. Later than it should’ve done, but SR are getting seen for what they are. Martin for main course, Rasmus for pudding - they are in our fans’ crosshairs. 

They can ban us from the stadium for opposing them but they can’t silence us. The noise is growing to get their toxicity out of SFC’s bloodstream.

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24 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The penny is dropping rapidly within our fanbase. Later than it should’ve done, but SR are getting seen for what they are. Martin for main course, Rasmus for pudding - they are in our fans’ crosshairs. 

They can ban us from the stadium for opposing them but they can’t silence us. The noise is growing to get their toxicity out of SFC’s bloodstream.

Get a grip. 

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SaintsFan86

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28 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Can’t help but starting to get the feeling that Sport Republic aren’t actually that wealthy.

They had the opportunity to own a big club on the world stage through the Premier League.

But the whole time their level has been a mediocre club in an inferior league.

Thus using the Premier League clubs finance to finance the more “affordable club” in their so called model.

Let’s be honest, these players that’s Eve signed and sent to Turkey are never going to play for Saints. It’s all about saving costs and getting around finances in a sneaky way through the multi club model.

Saints will just be asset stripped and fleeced over time.

SR isn't wealthy, Dragon is.

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Gloucester Saint

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2 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Get a grip. 

What of? Our points total? The fact we’ve made as many errors leading to goals as the previous record by Brentford last season?

Or that the worst two managers in the club’s history are appointees of Rasmus Ankerson?

Now crawl back under your rock sonny.

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SaintsFan86

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What of? Our points total? The fact we’ve made as many errors leading to goals as the previous record by Brentford last season?

Or that the worst two managers in the club’s history are appointees of Rasmus Ankerson?

Now crawl back under your rock sonny.

So much entitlement, You act like we should be comfortable. 

 

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Dark Munster

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2 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said:

So much entitlement, You act like we should be comfortable. 

Saints fans are entitled to more than 5 points after 15 bloody matches, and not already equalling the PL record for goals conceded due to mistakes with 23 matches still to go.

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8 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The penny is dropping rapidly within our fanbase. Later than it should’ve done, but SR are getting seen for what they are. Martin for main course, Rasmus for pudding - they are in our fans’ crosshairs. 

They can ban us from the stadium for opposing them but they can’t silence us. The noise is growing to get their toxicity out of SFC’s bloodstream.

Yeah Semmens sold us down the river that's for sure.

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OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint

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There's a motto something like: If it's broke, fix it.

I don't blame the recruitment team. In fact, given the financial pond we're fishing in, I was quite pleased with the summer signings. An England goalkeeper, an England central defender, a player in Downes who was instrumental in getting us promoted, Fernandes and even Archer up front has something about him. I certainly don't blame the players. There seems to be an understanding among them that they're not the strongest squad but they'll give it a good go - unlike the last time we were relegated when there were so many bad apples.

What I do blame SR for is the manager. They could see last year that with a strong squad we only just scraped promotion, they could see Burnley in the premiership playing a similar style to us and failing dismally and they can see this failure of a season and are letting it ramble on. Perhaps a Director of Football would help. What I do know is that anyone is better than Russ Martin. This isn't like Ralph's departure when people were warning be careful what you wish for. This is a club and a team that deserves more than RM. Get them fit, get them playing to their strengths, stop this nonsense possession ideology and we'll get a few good results this year. 

Come on SR - do what you have to do.

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S-Clarke

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1 hour ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

There's a motto something like: If it's broke, fix it.

I don't blame the recruitment team. In fact, given the financial pond we're fishing in, I was quite pleased with the summer signings. An England goalkeeper, an England central defender, a player in Downes who was instrumental in getting us promoted, Fernandes and even Archer up front has something about him. I certainly don't blame the players. There seems to be an understanding among them that they're not the strongest squad but they'll give it a good go - unlike the last time we were relegated when there were so many bad apples.

What I do blame SR for is the manager. They could see last year that with a strong squad we only just scraped promotion, they could see Burnley in the premiership playing a similar style to us and failing dismally and they can see this failure of a season and are letting it ramble on. Perhaps a Director of Football would help. What I do know is that anyone is better than Russ Martin. This isn't like Ralph's departure when people were warning be careful what you wish for. This is a club and a team that deserves more than RM. Get them fit, get them playing to their strengths, stop this nonsense possession ideology and we'll get a few good results this year. 

Come on SR - do what you have to do.

Or as Rasmus will say, if it's not broke, break it.

In all seriousness one of the biggest issues at this club is recruitment, it's absolutley horrific. Why did we think BBD was the right player for us? What did they think Lesley and Cornet would offer us? You can go back further, Ross Stewart, Onuacnu, Orsic, Sulemana, ABK, AMN, Larios, Bazunu....it just goes on and on. There are some decent picks in amongst that, not many though, and when the bad outweighs the good you've got a serious problem.

If you also include the managers into that, Martin/Jones as two main picks, the guys in charge of analysis and recruitment have absolutley killed us stone dead - again. The signings of THB was an obligation and was setup by Wilcox last year, Downes was a Martin pick and nothing to do with our recruitment team.

They need to all go before we make any further drastic changes as I do not trust the people in those positions to make the right picks, they seem incapable of it.

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1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Potter won’t join but Ashworth as DoF is an obvious move. So SR won’t make it.

I don’t know much about Ashworth, but in previous roles it appears he’s had a fairly free hand (which might be his downfall at Man Utd with all the egos there). Questionable how that might align with SR and Rasmus.

 

align - there’s a 2023 Saints buzzword for you

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Honestly the longer martin stays in the job the more i think about what is really the plan and what would explain SR's reluctance to sack him.

As crazy as it sounds I am starting to believe that we got promoted too quickly last season for SR and us as a club.

The damage was done the previous seson both with amount of money spent and managers paid off we were in all or nothing situation to stay which has hurt us massively last season and this from a PSR perspective, we spun the dice and ended up oweing the house.

We get promoted last season but our PSR situation was still massively constrained and a large portion of our budget on transfers were already locked in, meaning we arent able to get the quality upgrades we needed to play our way in premier league, primarily forward line and midfield.

I think SR have now factored this in, expect us to be relegated, tighten the belt a bit and go again next season (maybe with Martin) and be able to spend more if we go up and get the quality we need.

 

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On 07/12/2024 at 14:56, Matthew Le God said:

Goztepe are 4th in the Turkish top flight. So they are getting something right in football, even though it might not seem like it for Saints fans.

Good to hear, been really worried about how they were getting on.

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Matthew Le God

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4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Who? Mark Bitcon? That's stretching the term DoF to it's limits!

No it isn't. The club use the director of football title when talking about him.

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/2024-25-bbc-radio-solent-fans-forum?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=fan-forum&utm_content=image

Plus they have hired a new director of performance (Bitcon's original job), so it isn't a temporary move for Bitcon to DoF.

https://x.com/ground_guru/status/1864313132719452567

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S-Clarke

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1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

No it isn't. The club use the director of football title when talking about him.

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/2024-25-bbc-radio-solent-fans-forum?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=fan-forum&utm_content=image

Plus they have hired a new director of performance (Bitcon's original job), so it isn't a temporary move for Bitcon to DoF.

At the end of the day, they didn't replace Wilcox. They looked within and restructured rather than get a fully-fledged known DoF. His background is Performance management in Rugby Union.

A proper footballing DoF is a gaping hole at our club.

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3 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Good to hear, been really worried about how they were getting on.

Goztepe doing well is a good thing for Saints. Hard for some to see it given the mess Saints are currently in (which as a Saints fan will be everyone's main focus), but ultimately all the clubs in the group doing well will have benefits across all the clubs in the medium to long term. Sure we looked screwed this season, but given time SR might get all clubs on the right track as they have shown they can do it with Goztepe. It isn't lack of investment that has screwed Saints, we've spent £260m+ on transfer fees in the last two PL seasons, the issue is how the money has been spent.

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6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

At the end of the day, they didn't replace Wilcox. They looked within and restructured rather than get a fully-fledged known DoF. His background is Performance management in Rugby Union.

A proper footballing DoF is a gaping hole at our club.

Wilcox had not been a DoF before Saints appointed him. He was not a 'fully-fledged known DoF', yet most seem to consider him a good appointment. 

Plus it wasn't just Rugby, Bitcon was also at Man City for 3 and half years.

This isn't me saying Bitcon has done a good job. Results this season suggest heavily otherwise.

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38 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Goztepe doing well is a good thing for Saints. Hard for some to see it given the mess Saints are currently in (which as a Saints fan will be everyone's main focus), but ultimately all the clubs in the group doing well will have benefits across all the clubs in the medium to long term. Sure we looked screwed this season, but given time SR might get all clubs on the right track as they have shown they can do it with Goztepe. It isn't lack of investment that has screwed Saints, we've spent £260m+ on transfer fees in the last two PL seasons, the issue is how the money has been spent.

I couldn’t give a toss how any other club does just because they’re owned by the same circus of clowns as us.

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1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Wilcox had not been a DoF before Saints appointed him. He was not a 'fully-fledged known DoF', yet most seem to consider him a good appointment. 

Plus it wasn't just Rugby, Bitcon was also at Man City for 3 and half years.

This isn't me saying Bitcon has done a good job. Results this season suggest heavily otherwise.

I don't. He waxed lyrical about how great Russell Martin would be for the club when we signed him. Even though Ankersen was almost certainly the one who chose RM behind the scenes, Wilcox gave him full support. That shows he has terrible judgement in managers.

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3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Goztepe doing well is a good thing for Saints. Hard for some to see it given the mess Saints are currently in (which as a Saints fan will be everyone's main focus), but ultimately all the clubs in the group doing well will have benefits across all the clubs in the medium to long term. Sure we looked screwed this season, but given time SR might get all clubs on the right track as they have shown they can do it with Goztepe. It isn't lack of investment that has screwed Saints, we've spent £260m+ on transfer fees in the last two PL seasons, the issue is how the money has been spent.

Re Sports Republic, they have come in a spent money and actually seemed to have an interest in taking the club forward unlike the previous owner, Chairman Gao.
That said, taking away the last ditch promotion from the Championship last season, the team's record in the Prem since Sport Republic took over has been truly awful.
The obsession with signing youngsters from  Man City at inflated rates (apart from Lavia) has not been at all successful nor have many of the other signings
To be successful in the transfer market there has to be a success rate of at least 70% and our signings have not reached that level, nowhere near it.
Our transfer and wages outlay have been double or possibly triple what a successful Championship side would expect to spend and taking out the likes of Ramsdale, KWP, THB and Dibling, Saints currently look like a mid level Championship team and possibly worse.
Having said all that, I dont necessarily agree with the 'Get Out Of Our Club' comments aimed towards Sports Republic.
I say this as someone who has no idea about the club's finances and if Sports Republic did decide enough was enough and sought to recover as much money as possible by selling players, we could end up with another scenario of having to put up with playing youngsters and scratching around for loan players leading to further misery.
In such circumstances, we may not have the good fortune to find another Markus Liebherr.

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3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

I couldn’t give a toss how any other club does just because they’re owned by the same circus of clowns as us.

Goztepe and Valenciennes doing well should in theory benefit Saints in the medium to long term as the cornerstone club. You don't need to care about them to see that moving players around the group in theory has positives for Saints.

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Goztepe and Valenciennes doing well should in theory benefit Saints in the medium to long term as the cornerstone club. You don't need to care about them to see that moving players around the group in theory has positives for Saints.

I can’t see any Matthew.  They’ve just been a drain on our resources.

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10 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I can’t see any Matthew.  They’ve just been a drain on our resources.

1) We have three players currently out on loan to those clubs in the SR group. Regular gametime boosts their development to see if they can develop to the level we need in conditions SR can have more control over vs another loan outside the group.

2) It aids Saints signing players who might have UK work permit issues.

3) It gives us an opportunity in the future to offload difficult to offload players.

4) It increases the scouting network with centralised scouting structure for SR

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10 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

1) We have three players currently out on loan to those clubs in the SR group. Regular gametime boosts their development to see if they can develop to the level we need in conditions SR can have more control over vs another loan outside the group.

2) It aids Saints signing players who might have UK work permit issues.

3) It gives us an opportunity in the future to offload difficult to offload players.

4) It increases the scouting network with centralised scouting structure for SR

1) so, no tangible benefit to Saints yet

2) as above.

3) ditto.

4) That hugely successful scouting network that we are constantly lauding. 

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11 hours ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

There's a motto something like: If it's broke, fix it.

I don't blame the recruitment team. In fact, given the financial pond we're fishing in, I was quite pleased with the summer signings. An England goalkeeper, an England central defender, a player in Downes who was instrumental in getting us promoted, Fernandes and even Archer up front has something about him. I certainly don't blame the players. There seems to be an understanding among them that they're not the strongest squad but they'll give it a good go - unlike the last time we were relegated when there were so many bad apples.

What I do blame SR for is the manager. They could see last year that with a strong squad we only just scraped promotion, they could see Burnley in the premiership playing a similar style to us and failing dismally and they can see this failure of a season and are letting it ramble on. Perhaps a Director of Football would help. What I do know is that anyone is better than Russ Martin. This isn't like Ralph's departure when people were warning be careful what you wish for. This is a club and a team that deserves more than RM. Get them fit, get them playing to their strengths, stop this nonsense possession ideology and we'll get a few good results this year. 

Come on SR - do what you have to do.

Got to agree on the players, the last relegation they were very unlikable and was happy to see the back of most of them, feel much more positive about most of this side and can't really fault their efforts. 

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20 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

I don't. He waxed lyrical about how great Russell Martin would be for the club when we signed him. Even though Ankersen was almost certainly the one who chose RM behind the scenes, Wilcox gave him full support. That shows he has terrible judgement in managers.

Agree. I'm convinced Wilcox is another that talks a good game but what has he actually achieved in non-playing roles? The square root of diddly squat is the answer.

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17 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

1) We have three players currently out on loan to those clubs in the SR group. Regular gametime boosts their development to see if they can develop to the level we need in conditions SR can have more control over vs another loan outside the group.

2) It aids Saints signing players who might have UK work permit issues.

3) It gives us an opportunity in the future to offload difficult to offload players.

4) It increases the scouting network with centralised scouting structure for SR

Yes but none of that matters with Russell in charge.

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9 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

https://www.businessupnorth.co.uk/aibytech-appoints-former-dyson-executive-phil-parsons-as-chairman-and-ceo-to-drive-innovation-in-baby-tech-industry/

Good call. Russell can get him developing adult reins to pull the players back when they try to make a run "oh no you don't, back to Russ, pass it nicely to your friend behind you"

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Absolutely dogshit owners .. it’s nothing short of disgusting that they allow us to go into Xmas with5 points yet continue to sit on their hands .

they get credited for spending money but let’s be honest they just buy in higher quantity ..we could sign 50 5million players ..  it’s not gonna increase the quality though is it .. we are still buying the cheapest players in the league so who cares about the outlay really ?

the multi club model just looks to leech off of us..  as long as their bunch of clubs increase in value as a group it’s probably job done for them .. don’t think they give much of a shit about us at all really 

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3 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Absolutely dogshit owners .. it’s nothing short of disgusting that they allow us to go into Xmas with5 points yet continue to sit on their hands .

they get credited for spending money but let’s be honest they just buy in higher quantity ..we could sign 50 5million players ..  it’s not gonna increase the quality though is it .. we are still buying the cheapest players in the league so who cares about the outlay really ?

the multi club model just looks to leech off of us..  as long as their bunch of clubs increase in value as a group it’s probably job done for them .. don’t think they give much of a shit about us at all really 

I reckon it’s high time the fanbase let them know during match days that we want them to kindly fuck off now. They’ve had an easy ride during 3 years of horrific decision making 

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As Göztepe, our average height in the last match was 1.84, Southampton's average height in the last match was 1.78. Southampton is probably the shortest team in the world. It's an interesting situation when European clubs generally transfer tall players.

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13 minutes ago, Göztepe said:

As Göztepe, our average height in the last match was 1.84, Southampton's average height in the last match was 1.78. Southampton is probably the shortest team in the world. It's an interesting situation when European clubs generally transfer tall players.

RM has it in his contract that he has to be the tallest here, hair gelled slightly up. 

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13 minutes ago, Göztepe said:

As Göztepe, our average height in the last match was 1.84, Southampton's average height in the last match was 1.78. Southampton is probably the shortest team in the world. It's an interesting situation when European clubs generally transfer tall players.

I hope that's not going to influence any comments on our January signings, Sneezy, Bashful, Doc (to work with Stewart), and SR favourite, Dopey.

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